This thread comes up on almost a weekly basis. In fact, I'd be surprised if there wasn't a nerf cloaking thread in the first 2 pages on this forum section. Almost every single one of them goes like this:

1. OP posts a post with a new (lol) idea that always boils down to some variation of the following:
- "There's a big meanie who is sitting in my system and not doing anything, but I don't know where he is and I can't ever just go next door. I can't find said meanie and even though I know that he's probably at work and poses no threat at all, I wont do anything in my system that I absolutely can't leave ever because he might not be at work and I might lose a ship. CCP please stop the meanie from being able to do nothing to me because he's probably at work"

2. Thread gets trolled because its been done literally to death. This horse has been beaten so hard and so often that it's little more than a memory of a memory of a red smear on the grass, and yet it STILL WONT DIE! In fact it's been done so many times that this particular horse is now undead; even if it does die, it will still be remembered and parodied.

3. Someone comes along and suggests that AFK cloakers can't hurt you, because they are, by their very definition, AFK. No one ever lost a ship to someone who ISN'T PLAYING THE GAME.

4. Someone else comes along and points out that while the cloaker might be AFK, he might not be, and so we have Schrodinger's Hot Dropper. The cyno pilot who might be AFK... but he might not be as well, and you will only know for sure when he decloaks, points and lights his candle. (Yes, I know this isn't how the cat works)

5. Someone else comes along and suggests that you use bait and setup a TARP. Or have a defence fleet on standby. Heaven forbid you have to actually fight to defend your space.

6. A further person comes along and suggests that the problem isn't cloaking AFK in your system that you can't possibly leave ever, but that you KNOW that the person is AFK in your system... and perhaps local should be removed because free 100% accurate intel is probably not the best thing in the game and if you didn't know that the big meanie was in your system, you wouldn't be worried about leaving the undock/POS.

7. Then another person pokes their head in and complains that local is 100% NEEDED because D-Scan and probing are such bad mechanics, and IF YOU TAKE MY LOCAL AWAY IM QUITTING FOREVER AND NO YOU CAN'T HAVE MY STUFF!

8. Someone asks if they can have 7's stuff.

We end up with another thread which goes on for pages and pages between complains about local, defence fleets, inability to just go next door, people who aren't playing the game but are playing the meta, lots of bickering and in the end nothing gets solved. CCP wont remove cloaking because it would mess with waaay too many things and it creates content (which is a good thing) by removing content (which is a bad thing) but they can't really think of any way to do it without a complete overhaul of the local and scanning systems.

9.[ammended as per reccomendation be isd ezwal] ISD member locks the thread for redundancy
Now that I've had this entire thread's conversation, can we just let it die? Please?

is this what the forums are now when you ask a question?

I think this topic is new and exciting with high potential for good discussion and a lot of fresh viewpoints. You did a right thing by making your own thread about this issue.

is this what the forums are now when you ask a question?

Also I do believe we're still under attack ...
... but for some reason the servers stopped giving a frell. ^_^

The forums are clearly slower. Posting, without the post being seen after sending,
means that there's a delay in between client/servers ... and the occasional blocking
of chat messages too hints at something going on.

Oh well ... nice work, CCP!

Cloaks are harmless and need no counter

yea its a question thats been said a million times... but yet that needs an answer why CCP wont simply add something to find them or limits on how long they can have the cloak online, simply add a high cap drain would do it but yea besides talking down to someone just asking a question, why not be supportive. Maybe you'll have a question one day just like me and respect good answers not bs ones. Everything should have a pro and a con to it right?

yea its a question thats been said a million times... but yet that needs an answer why CCP wont simply add something to find them or limits on how long they can have the cloak online, simply add a high cap drain would do it but yea besides talking down to someone just asking a question, why not be supportive. Maybe you'll have a question one day just like me and respect good answers not bs ones. Everything should have a pro and a con to it right?

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yea its a question thats been said a million times... but yet that needs an answer why CCP wont simply add something to find them or limits on how long they can have the cloak online, simply add a high cap drain would do it but yea besides talking down to someone just asking a question, why not be supportive. Maybe you'll have a question one day just like me and respect good answers not bs ones. Everything should have a pro and a con to it right?

And mal ... please... don't. -.-

yea its a question thats been said a million times... but yet that needs an answer why CCP wont simply add something to find them or limits on how long they can have the cloak online, simply add a high cap drain would do it but yea besides talking down to someone just asking a question, why not be supportive. Maybe you'll have a question one day just like me and respect good answers not bs ones. Everything should have a pro and a con to it right?

Everything should have a pro and a con to it right?

Hey Everyone,

Was wondering if anyone else had views on a counter against perm cloaking players. Would be nice to see some type of counter against this, maybe a new set of scanning skills with some unique probes ? or add a timer on the cloak, for example you set cloaked in a system for "X" amount of time than the cloak mod itself starts to take heat damage for being online for to long and after a point it burns out and decloaks your ship and you would have to go repair it like any other mod. Everything else has a counter and i think cloaks need something to act against them and would also make it harder for people to grief in lowsec/nullsec/sov.

Any thoughts ?

o7

This thread is now about afk twerking.

Is this a problem? Is it griefing? Is it . . . the most amazing idea ever?

Inquiring minds want to know.

This thread is now about afk twerking.

Is this a problem? Is it griefing? Is it . . . the most amazing idea ever?

Inquiring minds want to know.

You can't bait someone who isn't there.

You can't bore someone who isn't there.

You can't ignore someone who is there.

You can't move if someone has alts because it wont matter anyways.

You can't be hurt by someone who isn't there.



You can't be bothered by someone who isn't there.



But you just said he wasn't there.



How does someone's possession of alts affect your movement? Anyway, if someone has more accounts than your alliance and their blues have systems, you've got bigger problems.

He can post a cloaky alt in all the systems he knows you live in, and he can be there and not be there all at the same time.

Like I already said, hes probably just playing eve on another account. Taking a peek at his cloaky every now and then to check d-scan for targets.

You can ignore the people in system if they are combat ready "So for anyone else you aren't even there"
The person is doing a complex "Well now you are DEFINATELY there" HOTDROPOCLOCK

Either P can be true, or ~P can be true, not both.

So he's there, and thus not "not there", so you can bait, bore, etc him.

He's in a Stealth Bomber or has a 5s locking delay or can't warp cloaked. Stealth Bombers are made of wet tissue paper. Anything else, you can just warp away.

It's an illusion, to you he's never there until your ship is being blown up, but he could be on at any time so you never know. Therefor it's both.

Boring the person only works if they are sitting there for hours on end, but like I said, another alt on another screen they can check whenever, so you are likely to go mad trying to bore the guy.

Baiting only results in nothing ever happening and instead boring both you and your corp members until people screw off and he finds it opportune to pick someone off, or 30 pl dreads dropped on your face and everything dying.

This is probably the only disadvantage you have, but I'm not sure he would put himself in that spot if he wasn't able to grab you.. Like a large gunned battleship that can't warp away or kill it in time.

I myself just ratted in an algos while in null.

The problem is the afk cloaker "always" wins. Either hes bothered you enough to stop doing things, move, or waste resources for nothing that comes, or you don't and lose something anyways.

I'm starting to think alts are the problem now... They break everything else, like 40 thrashers with 1 controller.