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Rico Minali Sons Of 0din Fatal Ascension 256	Posted - 2012.01.12 11:10:00 - [31] - Quote TBH id rather they kept them as they are and used teh tier 2 and eventually tier 3 battlecruitsers for different T2 variants. Trust me, I almost know what I'm doing.
Klingon Admiral Black Hole Cluster 4	Posted - 2012.01.12 16:12:00 - [32] - Quote Removing the epic black/red Ferox? The Drake is just another stupid "engines at the back"-design, while the Ferox-hull is simply amazing. 0/10 Other proposals supported.
PinkKnife Garden Of The Gods Divinity. 43	Posted - 2012.01.13 08:41:00 - [33] - Quote Klingon Admiral wrote: Removing the epic black/red Ferox? The Drake is just another stupid "engines at the back"-design, while the Ferox-hull is simply amazing. 0/10 Other proposals supported. So, you're against the idea simply because you don't like the drake....
PinkKnife Garden Of The Gods Divinity. 58	Posted - 2012.02.08 18:03:00 - [34] - Quote Bumpity bump.
Andski GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation 1997	Posted - 2012.02.08 20:39:00 - [35] - Quote PinkKnife wrote: Just playing around with a current Astarte, it really needs some work, you can't fit a full set of guns, a MWD and a decent tank on it like you can the absolution. :\ wow, yes you can yeah no i'm not actually running for csm7 got you lol!!!!!!!!!!!!!
PinkKnife Garden Of The Gods Divinity. 58	Posted - 2012.02.08 20:41:00 - [36] - Quote Andski wrote: PinkKnife wrote: Just playing around with a current Astarte, it really needs some work, you can't fit a full set of guns, a MWD and a decent tank on it like you can the absolution. :\ wow, yes you can plz provide fit for me?
Andski GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation 1997	Posted - 2012.02.08 20:52:00 - [37] - Quote post your fit and we'll start from there yeah no i'm not actually running for csm7 got you lol!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Velicitia Open Designs 520	Posted - 2012.02.08 21:35:00 - [38] - Quote Threw this together to see if it could be done ... all level 5 skills put your top speed at just over 1k m/sec, with 77k EHP. Obviously you won't be flying this alone... [Astarte, Astarte] Damage Control II 800mm Reinforced Rolled Tungsten Plates I Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane II Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane II Energized Reactive Membrane II Energized Regenerative Membrane II 10MN Digital Booster Rockets 'Langour' Drive Disruptor I Warp Scrambler II Medium Capacitor Booster II, Cap Booster 150 Heavy Neutron Blaster II, Void M Heavy Neutron Blaster II, Void M Heavy Neutron Blaster II, Void M Heavy Neutron Blaster II, Void M Heavy Neutron Blaster II, Void M Heavy Neutron Blaster II, Void M Heavy Neutron Blaster II, Void M Medium Anti-Explosive Pump I Medium Trimark Armor Pump I
PinkKnife Garden Of The Gods Divinity. 58	Posted - 2012.02.08 21:52:00 - [39] - Quote Velicitia wrote: Threw this together to see if it could be done ... all level 5 skills put your top speed at just over 1k m/sec, with 77k EHP. Obviously you won't be flying this alone... [Astarte, Astarte] Damage Control II 800mm Reinforced Rolled Tungsten Plates I Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane II Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane II Energized Reactive Membrane II Energized Regenerative Membrane II 10MN Digital Booster Rockets 'Langour' Drive Disruptor I Warp Scrambler II Medium Capacitor Booster II, Cap Booster 150 Heavy Neutron Blaster II, Void M Heavy Neutron Blaster II, Void M Heavy Neutron Blaster II, Void M Heavy Neutron Blaster II, Void M Heavy Neutron Blaster II, Void M Heavy Neutron Blaster II, Void M Heavy Neutron Blaster II, Void M Medium Anti-Explosive Pump I Medium Trimark Armor Pump I Ah, well I built mine before the crucible hybrid buff. But even still this fit needs a faction MWD, and doesn't fit the 1600 plate, the absolution does both for only loosing one gun. I'm not opposed to that trade off, say a Harby based absolution having strict fitting requirements, I just think it should be the same across the board for all of the field command ships.
Velicitia Open Designs 520	Posted - 2012.02.08 21:55:00 - [40] - Quote ~~the 10mn digital booster rockets are T1 named, not faction.~~ you didn't specify 1600mm plate. EDIT --> OK, swapped out the 800mm with a 1600mm plate. you lose 11m/sec over the other one ... but gain about 8k HP. [Astarte, Astarte] Damage Control II 1600mm Reinforced Rolled Tungsten Plates I Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane II Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane II Energized Reactive Membrane II Energized Regenerative Membrane II 10MN Digital Booster Rockets 'Langour' Drive Disruptor I Warp Scrambler II Medium Capacitor Booster II, Cap Booster 150 Heavy Neutron Blaster II, Void M Heavy Neutron Blaster II, Void M Heavy Neutron Blaster II, Void M Heavy Neutron Blaster II, Void M Heavy Neutron Blaster II, Void M Heavy Neutron Blaster II, Void M Heavy Neutron Blaster II, Void M Medium Anti-Explosive Pump I Medium Ancillary Current Router I edit 2 --> ugh, you're right with the MWD. ******* new names. OK, swapping that out puts you 2% over. No big deal to throw in a 3%PG implant (or take off an EANM for a RCU II, I suppose)

PinkKnife Garden Of The Gods Divinity. 59	Posted - 2012.02.08 21:58:00 - [41] - Quote Velicitia wrote: the 10mn digital booster rockets are T1 named, not faction. you didn't specify 1600mm plate. No? Are you thinking the old catalyzed arc-jet thrusters/ new prototype 10mn? Because the digital boosters have always been the storyline modules. They are Meta 5. http://www.eve-wiki.net/index.php?title=Microwarpdrive My point is that the Absolution CAN fit a mwd, full guns, AND a 1600 plate.
Velicitia Open Designs 520	Posted - 2012.02.08 22:07:00 - [42] - Quote PinkKnife wrote: Velicitia wrote: the 10mn digital booster rockets are T1 named, not faction. you didn't specify 1600mm plate. No? Are you thinking the old catalyzed arc-jet thrusters/ new prototype 10mn? Because the digital boosters have always been the storyline modules. They are Meta 5. http://www.eve-wiki.net/index.php?title=Microwarpdrive My point is that the Absolution CAN fit a mwd, full guns, AND a 1600 plate. yes... edited my post to reflect being ********.
PinkKnife Garden Of The Gods Divinity. 59	Posted - 2012.02.08 22:15:00 - [43] - Quote I mean it can be done after crucible, it couldn't before (when I started this thread), so good for them, but it doesn't help bring any type of uniformity to the ships. Some have 7 turrets some have 6. Some are easy to fit and others are a pain. Compare this to say, tier 3 battleships, where there are differences between the ships, but you basically know the slot layout and what they can do. Fits can be tight but not insane. The Command ships are just all over the place from to another.
GetSirrus Imperial Academy Amarr Empire 3	Posted - 2012.02.09 01:14:00 - [44] - Quote Why not allow for some flexibility? Allow the BC Tech2 bpc to be able to use any of the tech1 racial specific hulls in the manufacture. (ie hull stays with specific races) The result will be merely cosmetic. (need CCP's input to know if such a thing is possible). 1. current hulls are not affected 2. same skills and slots - but the option of say a Vertical Eos 3. retaining slot layout, so no imbalancing 4. generates a niche market in manufacturing and trading
Andski GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation 1999	Posted - 2012.02.09 03:49:00 - [45] - Quote Velicitia wrote: ~~the 10mn digital booster rockets are T1 named, not faction.~~ you didn't specify 1600mm plate. EDIT --> OK, swapped out the 800mm with a 1600mm plate. you lose 11m/sec over the other one ... but gain about 8k HP. [Astarte, Astarte] Damage Control II 1600mm Reinforced Rolled Tungsten Plates I Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane II Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane II Energized Reactive Membrane II Energized Regenerative Membrane II 10MN Digital Booster Rockets 'Langour' Drive Disruptor I Warp Scrambler II Medium Capacitor Booster II, Cap Booster 150 Heavy Neutron Blaster II, Void M Heavy Neutron Blaster II, Void M Heavy Neutron Blaster II, Void M Heavy Neutron Blaster II, Void M Heavy Neutron Blaster II, Void M Heavy Neutron Blaster II, Void M Heavy Neutron Blaster II, Void M Medium Anti-Explosive Pump I Medium Ancillary Current Router I edit 2 --> ugh, you're right with the MWD. ***** new names. OK, swapping that out puts you 2% over. No big deal to throw in a 3%PG implant (or take off an EANM for a RCU II, I suppose) I have a similar buffer Astarte fit: Quote: [Astarte, Buffer] 1600mm Reinforced Rolled Tungsten Plates I Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane II Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane II Armor Explosive Hardener II Magnetic Field Stabilizer II Damage Control II 10MN MicroWarpdrive II Warp Scrambler II Warp Disruptor II Stasis Webifier II Heavy Neutron Blaster II, Null M Heavy Neutron Blaster II, Null M Heavy Neutron Blaster II, Null M Heavy Neutron Blaster II, Null M Heavy Neutron Blaster II, Null M Heavy Ion Blaster II, Null M Heavy Ion Blaster II, Null M Medium Trimark Armor Pump I Medium Trimark Armor Pump I Hammerhead II x5 However, the more "acceptable" fit for Astartes is with local reps: Quote:** [Astarte, the one everyone uses] Shadow Serpentis Medium Armor Repairer Shadow Serpentis Medium Armor Repairer Armor Explosive Hardener II Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane II Magnetic Field Stabilizer II Damage Control II 10MN MicroWarpdrive II Warp Scrambler II Stasis Webifier II Medium Electrochemical Capacitor Booster I, Cap Booster 800 Heavy Neutron Blaster II, Null M Heavy Neutron Blaster II, Null M Heavy Neutron Blaster II, Null M Heavy Neutron Blaster II, Null M Heavy Neutron Blaster II, Null M Heavy Neutron Blaster II, Null M Heavy Neutron Blaster II, Null M Medium Auxiliary Nano Pump I Medium Auxiliary Nano Pump I Hammerhead II x5 Bling with faction mods as needed. yeah no i'm not actually running for csm7 got you lol!!!!!!!!!!!!!
PinkKnife PonyWaffe Test Alliance Please Ignore 62	Posted - 2012.02.27 21:31:00 - [46] - Quote Andski wrote: Velicitia wrote: ~~the 10mn digital booster rockets are T1 named, not faction.~~ you didn't specify 1600mm plate. EDIT --> OK, swapped out the 800mm with a 1600mm plate. you lose 11m/sec over the other one ... but gain about 8k HP. edit 2 --> ugh, you're right with the MWD. ******* new names. OK, swapping that out puts you 2% over. No big deal to throw in a 3%PG implant (or take off an EANM for a RCU II, I suppose) I have a similar buffer Astarte fit: However, the more "acceptable" fit for Astartes is with local reps: Bling with faction mods as needed.[/quote] I'm glad that the astarte isn't a complete joke anymore, but it doesn't do much to fix the Eos or the other commandships that need a balancing adjustment. Revamping the whole thing might seem drastic, but I think changing the hulls is an easy way to set a new standard, without going through each one individually over the course of years to fine tune things.


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