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F4ze
Developmental Neogenics Amalgamated
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Posted - 2006.08.08 23:29:00 -
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If insurance on T2 ships were increased to bring it in line with the market value of these ships, the prices would only increase even more.
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Kunming
Amarr
adeptus gattacus
Lotka Volterra
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Posted - 2006.08.09 00:16:00 -
[32]
 Originally by: F4ze
If insurance on T2 ships were increased to bring it in line with the market value of these ships, the prices would only increase even more.
Dont get me wrong, I'm against effectively insuring T2 ships or insuring them at all, but 170mil for a ship that underperforms a BS is bull****.
I have no race BS @ lvl 5, I hate big bulky ships, I want something fast and furious, so most of my skillpoints are for flying HACs (I got 35-37mil SP or something, not sure as I havent logged on in ages) and I'm being forced to fly T1 cruisers or switch to BSs cause its no more fun (considering the week of grinding to replace it) to fly the ship I want to fly.
Well initally I stopped loggin in cause I dont wanna do grinding for ages anymore for some bastard who didnt deserve a T2 BPO at all.
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Ares Helix
Gallente
Akat Ranger Corps
Omega Syndicate
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Posted - 2006.08.09 00:43:00 -
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Originally by: Kunming
Originally by: F4ze
If insurance on T2 ships were increased to bring it in line with the market value of these ships, the prices would only increase even more.
Dont get me wrong, I'm against effectively insuring T2 ships or insuring them at all, but 170mil for a ship that underperforms a BS is bull****.
I have no race BS @ lvl 5, I hate big bulky ships, I want something fast and furious, so most of my skillpoints are for flying HACs (I got 35-37mil SP or something, not sure as I havent logged on in ages) and I'm being forced to fly T1 cruisers or switch to BSs cause its no more fun (considering the week of grinding to replace it) to fly the ship I want to fly.
Well initally I stopped loggin in cause I dont wanna do grinding for ages anymore for some bastard who didnt deserve a T2 BPO at all.
They made *ME* a General?
What were all the 5 year old sissy girls busy?
o_0
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How'd he know!?!
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Kunming
Amarr
adeptus gattacus
Lotka Volterra
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Posted - 2006.08.09 00:58:00 -
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Originally by: Ares Helix
Originally by: Kunming
Originally by: F4ze
If insurance on T2 ships were increased to bring it in line with the market value of these ships, the prices would only increase even more.
Dont get me wrong, I'm against effectively insuring T2 ships or insuring them at all, but 170mil for a ship that underperforms a BS is bull****.
I have no race BS @ lvl 5, I hate big bulky ships, I want something fast and furious, so most of my skillpoints are for flying HACs (I got 35-37mil SP or something, not sure as I havent logged on in ages) and I'm being forced to fly T1 cruisers or switch to BSs cause its no more fun (considering the week of grinding to replace it) to fly the ship I want to fly.
Well initally I stopped loggin in cause I dont wanna do grinding for ages anymore for some bastard who didnt deserve a T2 BPO at all.
Your point?
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Stamm
Amarr
GALAXIAN
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Posted - 2006.08.09 01:06:00 -
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It's not the T2 BPO holders fault. They got lucky in the T2 BPO, and they're doing what anyone else will do, get rich with it. It's up to CCP to try and fix it. They simply can't go and take all their assets away.
Hopefully with Kali they'll introduce some way that people can go after the high profit BPCs and trade research points for them. Then one by one all the massive profit T2 items will be produced en masse until the price drops to reasonable levels, and it's more profitable to go after something else. Hopefully. :)
Then we'll see everybody in HACs...
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murder one
Gallente
Death of Virtue
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Posted - 2006.08.09 01:11:00 -
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Just remove insurance all together. Make BS losses hurt. The game would be more fun =]
Because I said so...
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Stamm
Amarr
GALAXIAN
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Posted - 2006.08.09 01:26:00 -
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Originally by: murder one
Just remove insurance all together. Make BS losses hurt. The game would be more fun =]
I suggested something like that once, and I got flamed for about 3 pages :P
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Zarch AlDain
The Blackwater Brigade
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Posted - 2006.08.09 13:23:00 -
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I originally had no intention of flying battleships, I liked the look of HACs - I even started training towards them.
Then I saw what was happening to the price - thought 'screw' that and am now flying battleships.
When the price of HACs comes down to somewhere sensible I will start flying them.
Zarch AlDain
The Blackwater Brigade
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Soros
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Posted - 2006.08.09 13:26:00 -
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The problem IS t2 builders. the fact ther isn't enough of them for the ammount of players in game and ships lost to lag etc !!!!
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Dark Shikari
Caldari
Imperium Technologies
Firmus Ixion
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Posted - 2006.08.09 13:37:00 -
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Edited by: Dark Shikari on 09/08/2006 13:38:14
Originally by: Ares Helix
The 'REMOVE INSURANCE NOW' Thread.
Fixed.
Insurance is pointless and should be removed. All it does is encourage people to use oversized ships for a job a smaller should could do just fine.
Originally by: Kunming
T2 BPO owners did nothing significant to earn the right for an I-WIN button (financially), CCP just handed them out, there were no 'rich' ppl before T2 came out.
I'm a T2 BPO owner, and I've spent 10 billion on my blueprints. How is that not "earning the right" to a blueprint?
And what is this BS about no "rich" people before T2 came out? Did you even play before T2 came out? There were a lot of people with a lot of money... especially those who managed to get battleship BPOs early on.
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Archo X
Caldari
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Posted - 2006.08.09 14:17:00 -
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Originally by: Kunming
Originally by: Archo X
The problem with T2 is not insurance or T@ builders. The problem is poor people.
If I fit a Gist X-Type XL booster on a Raven and go pop I more than likely lost a mod worth 1b isk. Now that was probably cuz I was lagged to hell for 30 minutes (how else do you lose that???) but it is not insured. If I can't afford to replace my gear then I shouldn't be using it.
When mission running I always have a second fully-fitted Raven just in case. When I flew a fully T2 fitted Retri I always had a second. In the rare event that I lost both ships one right after the other I have a large barge and I'm not ashamed to mine.
As for the people whining about T2 builders... If I offered you 10m per for a unit of trit would you take it? Damn skippy you would. So what's wrong with pocketing the extra isk people throw at you? Every time there is a Cerb on the market for 50m (seen it before) it is bought up then put right back for 250m. So some luck kid gets 200m for nothing. Might as well give the builder the extra money.
Want cheaper T2 items? Stop buying them. When demand drops T2 builders will be forced to undercut themselves and the ships will be dirt cheap. As long as they can make 200m per ship they will.
Capitalism 4TW!!!!!!!!!!!!
T2 BPO owners did nothing significant to earn the right for an I-WIN button (financially), CCP just handed them out, there were no 'rich' ppl before T2 came out.
As a specialized HAC pilot I am well aware that BSs are much better than HACs in everything but speed (except Deimos which is even slower than the thorax), that includes cost and efficiency, so they dont really deserve to be more expensive just cause they have a T2 sticker.
If it was real capitalism then the market would be filled with cheaper T2 equivalents cause the demand is asking for it and there is alot of money still to be made from this market. But its not, cause this is not RL, its a game controlled by CCP, no player can replicate T2 without CCP giving them the BPO (until Kali and reverse engineering)...
T2 BPO owners did do something special. They either got lucky from a random drawing, they spent a lkot of isk to buy a BPO, or they stole it. No matter how they did it people need to stop whining about T2.
Oh, and there is a cheaper version to a Cerb. It's called a Caracal.
Uber Raven gear for you to buy!
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Mitsurugii
Amarr
Industries of Temptation
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Posted - 2006.08.09 15:11:00 -
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Consider ships as you would tools in the world of work,do you buy a power tool for show?,or do you select that tool to do a few jobs where you know buying that tool, even if it breaks will be a sound investment with return enough to invest in more tools? If you buy a t2 vessel there are many many ways even an incompetent pilot can make more than the money back of the purchase in quite a short time. Make ships pay for themselves before you get yourself into something you are not sure you can handle.
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Dark Shikari
Caldari
Imperium Technologies
Firmus Ixion
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Posted - 2006.08.09 15:15:00 -
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Originally by: Archo X
Oh, and there is a cheaper version to a Cerb. It's called a Caracal.
QFT.
Caracal = h4x tbh.
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Originally by: DB Preacher
The only time BoB's backs are to the wall is when Backdoor Bandit is in local.
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Krulla
Minmatar
Queens of the Stone Age
Chimaera Pact
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Posted - 2006.08.09 15:44:00 -
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No. T2 is supposed to be better. It's supposed to be the edge. It's supposed to be a risk to lose.
Insurance is fine.
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Ecchus
Minmatar
Egbinger Mining Co
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Posted - 2006.08.09 15:55:00 -
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Insurance works just fine.
The rule is if you can't afford to replace it, don't fly it or fit it.
And making money is easy enough that everyone should be able to afford it.
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Rod Blaine
Evolution
Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2006.08.09 16:34:00 -
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Edited by: Rod Blaine on 09/08/2006 16:42:09
Tech2 gives you and edge, the penatly is increased risk. The risk that is being increased is the financial one.
Just having more sp's doesn't mean you should achieve more with the same risk (risk taken broadly).
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Arian Snow
Minmatar
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Posted - 2006.08.09 17:00:00 -
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Insurance is fine... its the prices of some Tech2 ships that isn't! 300Million Isk for a Vagabond is just insane!
It should hurt to loose a tech2 ship, it comes with the tag!
Also if you could insure it to the max there would be no real reason to fly most Tech1 ships
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Riho
Mercenary Forces
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Posted - 2006.08.09 19:42:00 -
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Originally by: Nebuli
Another thing to consider is that lets take I dont know a cerberus as an example.
Lets say the average market price for a given week was lets say a nice round 200mil, so CCP introduce a nice little system that takes the weeks average and changes insurances to suit.
So now we can insure our cerberus and get back 180mil when we lose it, great so far right?
So off we go to buy a new one off the market, wait a minute there arent any, wtf? whats going on, none for sale anywhere?
Whats happened is every cerberus producer has just built, insured and blown up their cerbs for the insurance money 
insuranse is perfectly fine atm... dont use ships u cant afford to loose... thats it
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