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Garrus Ongrard
Evil .inc
The Southern Raiders
24
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Posted - 2014.09.30 13:50:00 -
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Hey CCP
Garrus here with what may seem like a pointless question and well one that most likely have an obvious answer that when stated will have me kicking myself in the pants for not working it out myself but a quick question.
The latest update (Oceanus 1.0) was meant to take 120minutes but ended up taking at least (at the time of writing this post) an extra 38 minutes but i am curious as to why a major update like this can take longer to complete than expected.
If someone could talk me through the process that would be great. I am quite computer savvy but more in the hardware department than software and networking, and well being the Insomniac that I am and being that Tranquility was down i thought i would ask the question that had intrigued me for sometime if for no other reason than entertainment. - Please note this is not a criticism at all, in real life i work in theatre as a tech and at least in that industry time tables can often go out the window before we even start the day. This is just someone who had nothing better to do at the time asking a question when he should have been asleep.
On a side note, I just wanted to say well done and thank you for your handling of the recent attacks that have annoyed us all. I understand enough about DDoS attacks to know how hard they can be to deal with and you have done a good job behind the scenes. To the players who i have seen crying over split milk these sort of attacks are going to become more common in the feature not just with eve but all over the net. One of my countries ISPs was attacked a few weeks back and as a result a large percentage of the country had no internet access for days. If these sort off attacks bother you to the point you have to get angry with the people trying to fix the problem (may i suggest that you stick to computers that are A closed system
-- Regards
Samuel |
Mixu Paatelainen
Brutal Deluxe.
158
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Posted - 2014.09.30 13:51:00 -
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A plan is just a list of things that don't happen. |
Mixu Paatelainen
Brutal Deluxe.
158
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Posted - 2014.09.30 13:52:00 -
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Also Icelanders are well known for their big sausage fingers and "ma+¦ana ma+¦ana" attitude. |
Garrus Ongrard
Evil .inc
The Southern Raiders
24
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Posted - 2014.09.30 13:53:00 -
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Mixu Paatelainen wrote:A plan is just a list of things that don't happen.
Well isn't that the truth, I am working in a show this week that i am among other things the Technical Manager for. My personal day is timed down to the minute (and on an 18hour work day that can become very painful) given past experience i don't know why I really bothered :) |
Bisness Pirates
Brave Newbies Inc.
Brave Collective
6
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Posted - 2014.09.30 14:11:00 -
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Wouldn't a better question be why this didn't happen to crius and hyperion? |
Kousaka Otsu Shigure
Cora Relics and Antiquities
8
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Posted - 2014.09.30 14:13:00 -
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Server is already up, logged in right now. |
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CCP Explorer
C C P
C C P Alliance
2403
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Posted - 2014.09.30 14:13:00 -
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Garrus Ongrard wrote:Hey CCP
Garrus here with what may seem like a pointless question and well one that most likely have an obvious answer that when stated will have me kicking myself in the pants for not working it out myself but a quick question.
The latest update (Oceanus 1.0) was meant to take 120minutes but ended up taking at least (at the time of writing this post) an extra 38 minutes but i am curious as to why a major update like this can take longer to complete than expected.
If someone could talk me through the process that would be great. I am quite computer savvy but more in the hardware department than software and networking, and well being the Insomniac that I am and being that Tranquility was down i thought i would ask the question that had intrigued me for sometime if for no other reason than entertainment. - Please note this is not a criticism at all, in real life i work in theatre as a tech and at least in that industry time tables can often go out the window before we even start the day. This is just someone who had nothing better to do at the time asking a question when he should have been asleep.
On a side note, I just wanted to say well done and thank you for your handling of the recent attacks that have annoyed us all. I understand enough about DDoS attacks to know how hard they can be to deal with and you have done a good job behind the scenes. To the players who i have seen crying over split milk these sort of attacks are going to become more common in the feature not just with eve but all over the net. One of my countries ISPs was attacked a few weeks back and as a result a large percentage of the country had no internet access for days. If these sort off attacks bother you to the point you have to get angry with the people trying to fix the problem (may i suggest that you stick to computers that are A closed system
-- Regards
Samuel A part of the deployment were migration scripts, which were a part of the first phase of the module tiercide (see http://community.eveonline.com/news/dev-blogs/rebalancing-eve-one-module-at-a-time/) and our estimates for the runtime on TQ were off. We always aim to improve so we do an internal post-deployment analysis that feeds into future migrations of similar nature.
Erlendur S. Thorsteinsson | Senior Development Director | EVE Online // CCP Games | @erlendur |
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Garrus Ongrard
Evil .inc
The Southern Raiders
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Posted - 2014.09.30 14:18:00 -
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CCP Explorer wrote:Garrus Ongrard wrote:Hey CCP
Garrus here with what may seem like a pointless question and well one that most likely have an obvious answer that when stated will have me kicking myself in the pants for not working it out myself but a quick question.
The latest update (Oceanus 1.0) was meant to take 120minutes but ended up taking at least (at the time of writing this post) an extra 38 minutes but i am curious as to why a major update like this can take longer to complete than expected.
If someone could talk me through the process that would be great. I am quite computer savvy but more in the hardware department than software and networking, and well being the Insomniac that I am and being that Tranquility was down i thought i would ask the question that had intrigued me for sometime if for no other reason than entertainment. - Please note this is not a criticism at all, in real life i work in theatre as a tech and at least in that industry time tables can often go out the window before we even start the day. This is just someone who had nothing better to do at the time asking a question when he should have been asleep.
On a side note, I just wanted to say well done and thank you for your handling of the recent attacks that have annoyed us all. I understand enough about DDoS attacks to know how hard they can be to deal with and you have done a good job behind the scenes. To the players who i have seen crying over split milk these sort of attacks are going to become more common in the feature not just with eve but all over the net. One of my countries ISPs was attacked a few weeks back and as a result a large percentage of the country had no internet access for days. If these sort off attacks bother you to the point you have to get angry with the people trying to fix the problem (may i suggest that you stick to computers that are A closed system
-- Regards
Samuel A part of the deployment were migration scripts, which were a part of the first phase of the module tiercide (see http://community.eveonline.com/news/dev-blogs/rebalancing-eve-one-module-at-a-time/) and our estimates for the runtime on TQ were off. We always aim to improve so we do an internal post-deployment analysis that feeds into future migrations of similar nature.
Thanks for that.
Again it wasn't a complaint, downtimes are always getting shorter I can cope with the occasional one that is a bit longer than expected.
Keep up the good work.
PS. the new improvements namely cloak are awesome, well worth the wait |
San Ghasha
Hedion University
Amarr Empire
0
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Posted - 2014.09.30 14:22:00 -
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Everyone took a break to ride ponies, of course. Get with the program and off your train track, OP. |
Garrus Ongrard
Evil .inc
The Southern Raiders
24
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Posted - 2014.09.30 14:24:00 -
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San Ghasha wrote:Everyone took a break to ride ponies, of course. Get with the program and off your train track, OP.
Awwww but autistic nutjob that i am, i like train tracks it means i know where im going :P
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S'Way
Bitter Vets
892
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Posted - 2014.09.30 14:27:00 -
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Just curious but does legacy code often cause issues with making updates and game changes (if it does at all) ?
Would be nice one day to see a dev blog about the process of updating code from years ago. |
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CCP Tuxford
C C P
C C P Alliance
639
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Posted - 2014.09.30 14:35:00 -
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S'Way wrote:Just curious but does legacy code often cause issues with making updates and game changes (if it does at all) ? Would be nice one day to see a dev blog about the process of updating code from years ago.
Not actually a bad idea. There are a lot of technical people playing eve so there might be a some interest in a blog like that.
https://gate.eveonline.com/Profile/CCP%20Tuxford/StatusUpdates |
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Phugoid
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
175
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Posted - 2014.09.30 14:48:00 -
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Not all hamsters are created equally?
Flugzeugf++hrer |
Ralph King-Griffin
Lords.Of.Midnight
The Devil's Warrior Alliance
5350
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Posted - 2014.09.30 14:53:00 -
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CCP Tuxford wrote:S'Way wrote:Just curious but does legacy code often cause issues with making updates and game changes (if it does at all) ? Would be nice one day to see a dev blog about the process of updating code from years ago. Not actually a bad idea. There are a lot of technical people playing eve so there might be a some interest in a blog like that.
Also a lot of enthusiastic idiots (like myself) that would get a kick out of it
=]I[= |
Garrus Ongrard
Evil .inc
The Southern Raiders
24
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Posted - 2014.09.30 15:00:00 -
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Ralph King-Griffin wrote:CCP Tuxford wrote:S'Way wrote:Just curious but does legacy code often cause issues with making updates and game changes (if it does at all) ? Would be nice one day to see a dev blog about the process of updating code from years ago. Not actually a bad idea. There are a lot of technical people playing eve so there might be a some interest in a blog like that. Also a lot of enthusiastic idiots (like myself) that would get a kick out of it
Yes same here (both technical and idot all in one :)
I would love a form like that but as i dont check the forms often. Someone mail me if they do it
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Ginger Barbarella
2021
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Posted - 2014.09.30 15:24:00 -
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Why? Because everyone knows that CCP has refused to install Service Pack 1 on the XP box running Eve in London. Because, ya know, once that's installed al software MAGICALLY installs perfectly and databases sync and new data gets applied within moments of the installation start.
C'mon... it ain't rocket science, OP.
/posting in a software development/roll-out thread with people who know nothing about software development and/or software roll-out.
"Blow it all on Quafe and strippers." --- Sorlac |
Garrus Ongrard
Evil .inc
The Southern Raiders
24
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Posted - 2014.09.30 15:27:00 -
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Ginger Barbarella wrote:Why? Because everyone knows that CCP has refused to install Service Pack 1 on the XP box running Eve in London. Because, ya know, once that's installed al software MAGICALLY installs perfectly and databases sync and new data gets applied within moments of the installation start.
C'mon... it ain't rocket science, OP.
/posting in a software development/roll-out thread with people who know nothing about software development and/or software roll-out.
Just to clarify when i started this form it wasn't to moke them or tell them how to do there job, the point of the form was just to ask how is it done at the moment |
Bagatur I
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
11
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Posted - 2014.09.30 16:06:00 -
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2 words - **** happens!
And you are not computer savvy at all if you dont know that. |
Garrus Ongrard
Evil .inc
The Southern Raiders
26
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Posted - 2014.09.30 16:12:00 -
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Bagatur I wrote:2 words - **** happens!
And you are not computer savvy at all if you dont know that.
Oh belive me i know Sh*t Happens. Im just curious from a technical point of view as to the process of implementing a major patch. Is that really a bad thing ? |
Leoric Firesword
Dark Fusion Industries
Limitless Redux
85
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Posted - 2014.09.30 16:13:00 -
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if it's like at most companies, they roll their updates out with the butt holes puckered the whole time...and every once in a while everything goes ok and the can relax for a second or two.
this time things took longer (db update scripts) so their butts got to do extra puckering |
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Chribba
Otherworld Enterprises
Otherworld Empire
12936
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Posted - 2014.09.30 16:17:00 -
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CCP Tuxford wrote:S'Way wrote:Just curious but does legacy code often cause issues with making updates and game changes (if it does at all) ? Would be nice one day to see a dev blog about the process of updating code from years ago. Not actually a bad idea. There are a lot of technical people playing eve so there might be a some interest in a blog like that.
And add graphs for everyone else!!
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Garrus Ongrard
Evil .inc
The Southern Raiders
26
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Posted - 2014.09.30 16:20:00 -
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Not the sort of technical answer i was looking for but now, im to tierd to give a damn  |
Bagrat Skalski
Poseidaon
3286
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Posted - 2014.09.30 16:20:00 -
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They will not show any legacy code because they don't want to scare us away.
The elephant in the room is here and we know how it is to not have an option to logout to character screen. Legacy code is capable of that and even more. You don't want to see it.
http://i.minus.com/ibeZ0sJewvDMBN.gif =ƒÿü |
Garrus Ongrard
Evil .inc
The Southern Raiders
26
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Posted - 2014.09.30 16:24:00 -
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Bagrat Skalski wrote:They will not show any legacy code because they don't want to scare us away.
The elephant in the room is here and we know how it is to not have an option to logout to character screen. Legacy code is capable of that and even more. You don't want to see it.
Remind me cause its been a while but one used to be able to log out by pressing escape just a few years ago? |
Solecist Project
I'm So Meta Even This Acronym
10217
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Posted - 2014.09.30 16:27:00 -
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Garrus Ongrard wrote:Bagrat Skalski wrote:They will not show any legacy code because they don't want to scare us away.
The elephant in the room is here and we know how it is to not have an option to logout to character screen. Legacy code is capable of that and even more. You don't want to see it. Remind me cause its been a while but one used to be able to log out by pressing escape just a few years ago?
According to people,
it never was possible to log out to a point where one can easily switch char.
It always had to be a full logout for legacy reasons.
Now imagine POS code.... lol
I am Sol. I cook my bacon naked, you sissies.
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https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=374461&find=unread |
Garrus Ongrard
Evil .inc
The Southern Raiders
26
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Posted - 2014.09.30 16:30:00 -
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Solecist Project wrote:Garrus Ongrard wrote:Bagrat Skalski wrote:They will not show any legacy code because they don't want to scare us away.
The elephant in the room is here and we know how it is to not have an option to logout to character screen. Legacy code is capable of that and even more. You don't want to see it. Remind me cause its been a while but one used to be able to log out by pressing escape just a few years ago? According to people, it never was possible to log out to a point where one can easily switch char. It always had to be a full logout for legacy reasons. Now imagine POS code.... lol
Hmmm strange i specifically remember a Change character button but i am insane what would i know |
Ima Wreckyou
The Conference Elite
CODE.
301
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Posted - 2014.09.30 16:38:00 -
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Because they are "awesome" and "a bit crazy" and always think they are a bit better than they actually are.
the Code ALWAYS wins |
NEONOVUS
Diabolically Sexy Eureka-Secret Science R Us
937
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Posted - 2014.09.30 17:49:00 -
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Bagatur I wrote:2 words - **** happens!
And you are not computer savvy at all if you dont know that.
I have a better one and its a 4 letter
RTFM
Turns out that a significant number of my IT classmates dont know what it means or why its important.
Of course this is predicated on there actually being a manual and not just the spaghetti code some one made for job security.
Oh how I do love my large memory address allocation.
Very painful when I go and play with small things and suddenly have to program tightly. |
Agondray
Avenger Mercenaries
VOID Intergalactic Forces
131
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Posted - 2014.09.30 17:54:00 -
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because programming always works as planned
"Sarcasm is the Recourse of a weak mine" -Dr. Smith |
Agondray
Avenger Mercenaries
VOID Intergalactic Forces
131
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Posted - 2014.09.30 18:02:00 -
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Garrus Ongrard wrote:Solecist Project wrote:Garrus Ongrard wrote:Bagrat Skalski wrote:They will not show any legacy code because they don't want to scare us away.
The elephant in the room is here and we know how it is to not have an option to logout to character screen. Legacy code is capable of that and even more. You don't want to see it. Remind me cause its been a while but one used to be able to log out by pressing escape just a few years ago? According to people, it never was possible to log out to a point where one can easily switch char. It always had to be a full logout for legacy reasons. Now imagine POS code.... lol Hmmm strange i specifically remember a Change character button but i am insane what would i know
ive been playing since 05, not once has there been a switch character button while other older games do. according to a CSM minute i once read it was asked about the change character button which was replied to "it would take a team of programmers 6 months for a 15 second advantage.
another note about the code is the code is very old and complex and it has been said by CCP that all of the programmers that knew the old code has since left the company, none of the current or new programmers that was there with the guys doing the old code bothered to learn it. So you have a team of programmers that know new code, dont understand old code much less can do it and so they look at the old code to determine what part of the code is what they want to change and insert snips of new code into the old code, needless to say this also causes further complicates the code and the ability of it working as planned.
"Sarcasm is the Recourse of a weak mine" -Dr. Smith |
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