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Carp Riddell
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Posted - 2003.10.09 16:15:00 -
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Ladies, Gentlemen, and Amarr
On behalf on Innsmouth Shipping, I would like to take this opportunity to announce our ownership of a Miner II blueprint.
First of all, I must thank Draaven for his conduct during the last week. He witheld our name as requested, and his articles were presented with great honesty. I know he has come in for some criticism over the first article relating to the accuracy of information about the current blueprint holders. I feel this is somewhat unfair because I don't believe any one of us knows exactly which items are out there, and which are not.
With respect to pricing and distribution of the Miners, we are currently attempting to devise an equitable system for their distribution - this presents some interesting staffing problems, as I'm sure the directors of Techell will confirm. More information will be made available on this matter soon.
- Carp Riddell
- CEO, Innsmouth Shipping
- Proud Member of Curse Alliance
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sutty
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Posted - 2003.10.09 16:16:00 -
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if you dont sell them for 100k then nobody will care.
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Jasmyn
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Posted - 2003.10.09 16:19:00 -
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cool. you have the minerII BP. best of luck with solving supply and distribution problems, and i hope your corp prospers.
people dont spam this asking for a MinerII just wait your turn and buy one or get it as loot. and no i dont have a minerII yet, and no im not asking for one. im content with my ep-s atm.
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Ashton Black
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Posted - 2003.10.09 16:28:00 -
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Congratualtions Carp. I hope your corp prospers with the not inconsiderable responsiblity handed to you.
Good Luck and Good Hunting
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Kimpan
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Posted - 2003.10.09 16:32:00 -
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Nice to hear.
I hope you will take down the prices a little maebe ? 
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QSquared
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Posted - 2003.10.09 16:36:00 -
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I can totlaly understand the markup, because I have at leaste a basic understanding eccomics*****supply & demand.
What I can't understand is why CCP would make it un-ecconomical for BP coppies to be made. Thats senceless. It's not even worth the time for a corp to make limited-run coppies and sell them off in a scheme to "lease" the technology to other corps, because they will never be able to make more then doing a strait production run by doing so, thats pretty bad.
I was hoping to do JUST THAT if I ever got a rare BP, because I don't want to spend my time producing things, but I would want to get my product out and available to others. Seems senceless.
Good luck to you and your corp I know I'll be signign up for a Miner II one of these days I need better mines, it's th eonly thing standing in my way from mining faster at this point.
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Jasmyn
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Posted - 2003.10.09 16:38:00 -
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What I can't understand is why CCP would make it un-ecconomical for BP coppies to be made. Thats senceless. It's not even worth the time for a corp to make limited-run coppies and sell them off in a scheme to "lease" the technology to other corps, because they will never be able to make more then doing a strait production run by doing so, thats pretty bad.
I was hoping to do JUST THAT if I ever got a rare BP, because I don't want to spend my time producing things, but I would want to get my product out and available to others. Seems senceless.
if there are to many bpc of anything, the market is flooded and the price falls resulting in less profit resulting in the colapse of economy. simple as pie: control the amount of product to keep prices stable.
Someone once told me they loved me.
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Ashton Black
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Posted - 2003.10.09 16:50:00 -
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The only difference between making the products yourself or churning out the BPc's. (I think it's a 300max run, but correct me if I'm wrong) is that you don't have to have the manufacturing logistics setup.... If the copying process was MORE efficant than manufacturing as someone pointed out it would soon flood the market.
As well as congratulating Innsmouth I have got to thank the Devs/CCP for actually thinking this one through.
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Imogen sparrow
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Posted - 2003.10.09 16:52:00 -
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I, and my corp wish you thankyou for all your surport, and good wishes. We will be going into regular production, and an ordering system will hopefully be introduced in the next few days.
Please wait untill the details are released before contacting me or my CEO
Thanks again
Imogen Sparrow
Innsmouth Shipping Co
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nails
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Posted - 2003.10.09 17:12:00 -
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As long as the price comes down, I'll get some :)
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Morkt Drakt
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Posted - 2003.10.09 17:22:00 -
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Actually, and somewhat off topic, expect yet more angst about the Miner II.
Essentially a row is brewing already over the distribution of the BPs gained via missions - the Miner II is of far higher "value" and is tech II , whereas all the other BP drops are for Tech I items not only of lower value but invariably also of modules used in the single number on ships (as opposed to up to eight for a Miner II).
As such there are those, as ever, ready to cause a stink over why there is such a amrked discrepancy in value of the BPs handed out via missions.
Personally Im not sure I give a hoot as BBBB will have a miner II original from next week also... and thats ontop f our existing SHield-Boost Amplifier.
It does go to show, however, that no matter what you do somebody will complain.
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Morkt Drakt
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Posted - 2003.10.09 17:25:00 -
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Opps - forgot:
That copies take longer to produce ons tandard runs is a good thing IMO.
We are not even contemplating releasing BPCs from ours - Ive seen too much price slashing and ruined economic efforts in the galaxy so far to want to partake in another debacle.
We're making and selling. (Shield Amps now, Miner IIs from next weekend)
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cball
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Posted - 2003.10.09 18:06:00 -
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Ladies, Gentlemen, and Amarr
On behalf on Innsmouth Shipping, I would like to take this opportunity to announce our ownership of a Miner II blueprint.
First of all, I must thank Draaven for his conduct during the last week. He witheld our name as requested, and his articles were presented with great honesty. I know he has come in for some criticism over the first article relating to the accuracy of information about the current blueprint holders. I feel this is somewhat unfair because I don't believe any one of us knows exactly which items are out there, and which are not.
With respect to pricing and distribution of the Miners, we are currently attempting to devise an equitable system for their distribution - this presents some interesting staffing problems, as I'm sure the directors of Techell will confirm. More information will be made available on this matter soon.
make some copies to sell, small runs of 10-20 would take little time to do. Think of a reasonable price, and I am sure many would buy those.
...fear the evil monkey in your hanger...
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Maud Dib
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Posted - 2003.10.09 18:17:00 -
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Please make them 2.5 mil/unit just to make people cry.
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Kel 'dra
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Posted - 2003.10.09 18:53:00 -
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It is good to see that another corparation that is going public with the Miner II's.
Being that I have had to deal with them for the last couple months I wish you the best of luck, Oh and the 100+ eve-mails aday never go away trust me.
Anyway... Congrads and I wish you the best of luck.
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SUNchaser
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Posted - 2003.10.09 18:54:00 -
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Glad to see anther miner II bp in the game and yes prices have dropped and currently hover around the 4 mil mark. A couple more given out in missions and the price may become afffordable to the masses.
As far as 8 on a ship with the nerfing of cpu boosters is that even possible anymore? I doubt it but even if you could your cargo space would be so limited(because you had to sacrifice low slots to the boosters) as to make use of this number a royal pain in the butt. Hmm wonder if dev's had that in mind when nerfing the cpu booster then inserting another miner II bp into the game. This factor should force prices down also. 3 mil per miner II MAY become a new price standard and that would make it reasonably affordable for the masses.
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H3R0
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Posted - 2003.10.09 19:31:00 -
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lol 3 mill, where have u been living?
The miner II have been reachable for around 2.5 last month.
I hope for an price aroudn 1 mill or lesser, that is an great price.
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Johnsus
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Posted - 2003.10.09 20:02:00 -
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With all the greedy low-brows out there selling hot items for 1 ISK less than the next guy, it is refreshing to see a few that really understand economics... not just how to sell my phat lewts cheaper so I win the bid wars. Supply and Demand should drive the price, not "how do I get ppl to buy from only meeeeee!"
Gratz, Innsmouth! I was very excited to read the news.
Johnsus
CEO - Z-Tek Industries
Providing superior genetics today, for a better you, tomorrow!
Johnsus - CEO
"When I was a kid I used to pray every night for a new bicycle. Then I realised that the Lord doesn't work that way so I stole one and asked Him to forgive me."
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Datsevlu
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Posted - 2003.10.09 20:14:00 -
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That is like when you buy the latest and greates CPU out there or memory chip. It does not cost any more to make these new products then it does to make that old P4 that is 500 dollars less but you pay that price because it is best out there even though these cost pennys to produce.
-- Datsevlu
Blow'em up we'll build more.
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Gan Howorth
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Posted - 2003.10.09 21:05:00 -
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I'm guessing future advanced science skills will make copying more lucrative..
Makes sense no?
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Veruna Caseti
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Posted - 2003.10.09 21:23:00 -
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Anoter BP has already been confirmed. Copies or not the Market will be packed soon.
Veruna Caseti
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Sheeba
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Posted - 2003.10.09 22:40:00 -
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Edited by: Sheeba on 09/10/2003 23:23:04
Would that confirmed copy be ours? Commodity Analytics has had a Miner II original BP producing for 1-1/2 days now.
I expect we will see at least one new BP a day on average m'dears... so the long standing monopoly is thoroughly squashed.
Sheeba
CEO - Commodity Analytics, Ltd. |
Dixie Flatline
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Posted - 2003.10.09 22:47:00 -
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What is the production cost for a Miner II in NPC mineral price?
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Sc0rpion
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Posted - 2003.10.09 23:02:00 -
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What is the production cost for a Miner II in NPC mineral price?
I think the number I have seen tossed around was somewhere between 40 and 60 thousand ISK per unit.
WTG guys for wading neck-deep into what MUST be a feeding frenzy. As much as I would like the ISK, I don't envy you for what you are in for...
"The true secret to enjoying life is to live it dangerously."
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Sheeba
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Posted - 2003.10.09 23:08:00 -
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Edited by: Sheeba on 09/10/2003 23:22:20
Around 40k is a good estimate... but that is assuming Mega @11,000. Each unit takes two Megacyte.
Sheeba
CEO - Commodity Analytics, Ltd. |
Imogen sparrow
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Posted - 2003.10.09 23:42:00 -
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all good news guys :)
thanks again for encouragement....
website should be up really soon... honest.
will post link here when it arrives
Imogen
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Veruna Caseti
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Posted - 2003.10.09 23:43:00 -
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Sheeba - no, I was not talking about yours, so that makes 1 more confirmed. 
Veruna Caseti
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Morkt Drakt
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Posted - 2003.10.10 01:15:00 -
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I'm guessing future advanced science skills will make copying more lucrative..
Makes sense no?
No.
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Mrissa Easeah
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Posted - 2003.10.10 01:28:00 -
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While more and more Miner II producers will crop up, I don't think prices will plummet per-se, as the number of people pulling specifically Minmatar agent marathons of over 250-300 missions is probably less than 20.
Probably enough to create a healthy competition, but not probably not enough to get into the tit-for-tat price diving competitions we see on easily acquired blueprints. No one doing that many missions will be keen to undercut -everyone- and shoot their cash cow in the head at the same time. With production rates on miner II's being what they are compared to demand right now, the cheap ones will be snapped up too fast to make a big dent on the 4-5 million/miner isk market.
*groans* Need to go back and keep plugging at the missions again. Timing sucks, since I'm just now venturing out to chain pirate cruisers for the first time.
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Calladen Nimitz
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Posted - 2003.10.10 03:33:00 -
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Can you tell us the exact details of how your Miner II Blueprint was obtained? (# of missions - level agent?).
How about the copying. Can you tell us how many runs the limit is, copying time, anything else?
I for one would love to buy a 20 run BP copy for my own corporate use, I'm sure many others would as well, can you tell us if you plan to release BP copies like that from your original?
Thanks,
Calladen 
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Dufas
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Posted - 2003.10.10 05:53:00 -
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the inability to copy these new bp's is just stupid..
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EzTarget
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Posted - 2003.10.10 11:54:00 -
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I'd like to know exactly which lvl agent gave out the miner 2 BP, as well as how many missions and what race they are. I've only just started doing agent missions with an alt as my main character is a couple of hours travel from my agents, and I'm always getting hassled to build stuff in my corp  .
Also when the miner II's become public how much are they going to cost, also what would it cost to get a 20 run bpc?
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Albar Gray
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Posted - 2003.10.10 12:07:00 -
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Time for some official congratulations
Good luck with the bp guys
And I'm sure the megacyte came in real handy, just don't ask for any more
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Paul Dubois
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Posted - 2003.10.10 12:09:00 -
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In terms of the value of the Miner 2 bp, there are a couple of points you might want to consider:
1. Over time more and more BPs will come into play (I'm hoping for one myself, 200 level 3 missions done so far :-) ) and increased production will almost certainly lead to very substantial drops in cost. I think the estimate that someone quoted in terms of the numbers of people doing large numbers of agent missions is a lil low, theres a lot more doing agent missions now due to implants.
2. Mining lasers are a lot less likely to need replaced as much of the mining goes on in high sec space, combat equipment is going to be replaced more often for the simple reason that combat is riskier i.e. once the market is saturated there will be much less demand for Miner 2s.
3. Who know's what the future will bring :-) Just cos the Minmatar got lucky this time around doesn't mean they will the next time.
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Imogen sparrow
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Posted - 2003.10.10 12:18:00 -
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Edited by: Imogen sparrow on 10/10/2003 12:56:54
Hi.
The blue print was given to my CEO after the compleation of missions with a level 3 agent named Krigasand Eytteinn
Completed = 272
Failed = 5
The BPC situation was dicused in the news artical, however, we will not be making any miner 2 BPCs. The reason being it's not economic to do so. It takes longer per output unit to produce BPCs than it does to produce lazers. Therefore the miner 2 bpcs would be more expencive than just buying that many lazers.
Imogen Sparrow
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Imogen sparrow
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Posted - 2003.10.10 14:42:00 -
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forgot to add... that was with social skill V too...
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LaneHacker
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Posted - 2003.10.10 15:22:00 -
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Hunting season open on high sec system miners?!
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Gan Howorth
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Posted - 2003.10.10 17:12:00 -
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Quote:
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I'm guessing future advanced science skills will make copying more lucrative..
Makes sense no?
No.
Well, advanced research blueprinting skills will start to make the copying process faster than using the BP for 24/7 manufacturing, by reducing the time it takes to make a copy.
Your turn...
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Ezra
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Posted - 2003.10.10 17:44:00 -
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Actually, and somewhat off topic, expect yet more angst about the Miner II.
Essentially a row is brewing already over the distribution of the BPs gained via missions - the Miner II is of far higher "value" and is tech II , whereas all the other BP drops are for Tech I items not only of lower value but invariably also of modules used in the single number on ships (as opposed to up to eight for a Miner II).
As such there are those, as ever, ready to cause a stink over why there is such a amrked discrepancy in value of the BPs handed out via missions.
Personally Im not sure I give a hoot as BBBB will have a miner II original from next week also... and thats ontop f our existing SHield-Boost Amplifier.
It does go to show, however, that no matter what you do somebody will complain.
I feel sorry for those with Amarr agents.
They're doubly screwed - Worst implant, and worst BP reward from what I hear.
And I won't be bothering with my Gallente agent once I get enough cash from implants for a Megathron. An armor hardener just isn't worth running 300 missions. At least Gallente have a decent implant.
From what I've heard and experienced, the rundown of rewards is as follows:
Minmatar - Willpower implants starting at around 40-50 missions, averaging 1 every 10 missions or more once you hit 40-50. Miner II original at around 300ish missions. (Level 3 for a single agent for both of these stats.)
Amarr - Charisma implants, explosive armor hardener BPs (same missioncount stats.)
Caldari - Memory implants, shieldboost amplifier BPs.
Gallente - Intelligence implants, another form of armor hardener.
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Einheriar Ulrich
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Posted - 2003.10.10 19:25:00 -
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Congratulations on behalf of Oracle corp, Carp you and your crew have done a fantastic job.
Im sure we will be hearing more of you in the future.
Be safe my friend and keep doing what you do.
So Say i
So Say I. Einheriar Ulrich of the Bloodline of Einheriar.
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