With all this talk about power projection and apex forces, the conversation always lands on supercapitals. They drop on top of you, murderize everything on grid, and jump out without any threat from anyone, save another capital blob.

I have no problems with supers being incredibly strong. You shelled out a lot of time any money for that ship, so getting plenty of use out of it is perfectly fine.

What's not fine is the lack of counter play. From a game design standpoint, counter play is: "if my opponent does A, he has the advantage, but I can do B to try to take the advantage back". Unfortunately, when the only counter to A is more A, whoever has the most A wins.

Capitals have always held a distinct advantage over the myriads of subs in the area of ewar immunity. The idea was quite simple when it was implemented. How could a single tracking disrupter possibly affect something the size of a city? It was then decided that with all their redundant systems, capitals ought to be immune to ewar.

What happened, as a result, was that capitals no longer had to fear one of the main forms of counter play. They removed B from the equation, so the answer to A became more A.

That being said, your incredibly expensive ship shouldn't be counterable by a kid in a Scorpion, but how about 5 of them? 10? 20? 50?

I propose replacing the outright immunity to ewar with a sensor redundancy score. Each ewar effect successfully applied to the ship would knock a few points off the score, but the ship itself is unaffected. When an ewar effect times out, the points come back. If at any point the score reaches 0, the ship's immunity is removed until the score climbs back up again. With a single value, you can simulate the effects of multiple overlapping systems being knocked offline one by one until the ship as a whole is exposed.

This modification still leaves the capital with a unique niche and advantage, but allows a coordinated group of reasonable size to still present a threat. The counter to A would again be a reasonable amount of B. It makes bringing a contingent of sub-capital escorts to pick off some of the small ships an option worthy of consideration.

This also provides a possible answer for what the SoE ships are actually good at. As science vessels, a certain amount of redundancy in their sensors is to be expected. (Though, admittedly, it would be far less than that of a capital ship.) It gives the Nestor a unique roles as a slightly more robust logistics battleship. It at least makes more sense than a ship maintenance bay.

+1 for feasability, +1 for originality, but -2 because I couldn't find where you were whining over your most recent lossmail and asking for nerfs to whatever killed you.

Good idea, but what caught me more is how everywhere they call nestor useless ... after his last changes i think nestor is perfectly fine ... it was designed as wormhole vessel and as one its perfect for its role ... i dont see any reason why should be nestor changed to fit into 0.0 roles ... you have black ops wormholers cant use, so why shouldnt wormholers have ship designed specially for them? why should be everything only about 0.0?

Supported. We even have certain mechanics that can support this theme. For example; Deep Space Transports have a built-in "immunity" to two warp disruptors or one warp scrambler. A Titan could have +20 warp disruption immunity or somesuch (which would not step on the toes of a HIC).

I'm going to assume this post is about suppers and not capitals in siege/triage. I like the over all idea except they need to keep their warp cor immunity or (yes it will step on the toes of a HIC). lets say its strength is +20 that would mean i only need 3 dedicated frigs with scrams to hold it down and i would much rather through 10-12 cheap scraming frigs over a HIC

I'm going to assume this post is about suppers and not capitals in siege/triage. I like the over all idea except they need to keep their warp cor immunity or (yes it will step on the toes of a HIC). lets say its strength is +20 that would mean i only need 3 dedicated frigs with scrams to hold it down and i would much rather through 10-12 cheap scraming frigs over a HIC

I'm going to assume this post is about suppers and not capitals in siege/triage. I like the over all idea except they need to keep their warp cor immunity or (yes it will step on the toes of a HIC). lets say its strength is +20 that would mean i only need 3 dedicated frigs with scrams to hold it down and i would much rather through 10-12 cheap scraming frigs over a HIC

I like the idea, in fact i stated something similar in a forum post the other day. Though i only stated it for the sake of warp strength. So along those same lines I've always thought BS should have +1 warp strength standard, Carriers/Dreads +3 and Supers +6 or something similar. I've always thought it to be slightly dumb that a t1 frig can perma-hold a carrier. I actually like that you took this a step further and suggested other forms of e-war as well. It would definitely make supers much more vulnerable in low-sec which I think is a positive. As it stands right now, to tackle a super really needs not only 1 hic but atleast another 2 sitting on a titan behind it because hics are so vulnerable to neuts/ecm/drones from a super or any of it's support fleet. IMO it's kind of dumb only one type of ship can hold down a super.

edit: along the same lines i think it would be cool if carriers were given + tackle strength for its own warp disruptors. How is it feasible for 1 or 2 hics to hold down a super but not 5 archons?

I like the idea, in fact i stated something similar in a forum post the other day. Though i only stated it for the sake of warp strength. So along those same lines I've always thought BS should have +1 warp strength standard, Carriers/Dreads +3 and Supers +6 or something similar. I've always thought it to be slightly dumb that a t1 frig can perma-hold a carrier. I actually like that you took this a step further and suggested other forms of e-war as well. It would definitely make supers much more vulnerable in low-sec which I think is a positive. As it stands right now, to tackle a super really needs not only 1 hic but atleast another 2 sitting on a titan behind it because hics are so vulnerable to neuts/ecm/drones from a super or any of it's support fleet. IMO it's kind of dumb only one type of ship can hold down a super.

edit: along the same lines i think it would be cool if carriers were given + tackle strength for its own warp disruptors. How is it feasible for 1 or 2 hics to hold down a super but not 5 archons?