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SunWuKong
Shiva
Morsus Mihi
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Posted - 2006.08.09 20:35:00 -
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Brutix vs. Ferox
Comparing Ferox to the Brutix (using incomplete fittings)
Using the largest fitting modules (sort of)
Ferox (layout H:7, M:5, L:4; PG: 1000, CPU: 475; L:5, T:5)
High: 5x Heavy Missile Launcher I
Mid: 1x Large Shield Extender I*, 1x Large Shield Booster I*
PG used 800/1000 CPU used: 390/475
High: 5x 250MM Railgun I
Opt1. Mid: 1x Large Shield Extender I*, 1x Large Shield Booster I*
Opt2. Mid: 1x Medium Shield Extender I**, 1x Large Shield Booster I*
Opt1. PG used: 1525/1000 CPU used: 340/475
Opt2. PG used: 1303/1000 CPU used: 330/475
Brutix (layout H:7, M:4, L:5; PG: 1150, CPU: 425; L:0, T:7)
High: 5x 250MM Railgun I
Opt1. Low: 1x 1600MM Reinforced Steel Plate I, 1x Medium Armor Repairer I
Opt2. Low: 1x 800MM Reinforced Steel Plate I, 1x Medium Armor Repairer I
Opt1. PG used: 1775/1150 CPU used: 255/425
Opt2. PG used: 1475/1150 CPU used: 250/425
High: 5x Heavy Neutron Blaster I
Opt1. Low: 1x 1600MM Reinforced Steel Plate I, 1x Medium Armor Repairer I
Opt2. Low: 1x 800MM Reinforced Steel Plate I, 1x Medium Armor Repairer I
Opt1. PG used: 1775/1150 CPU used: 240/425
Opt2. PG used: 1475/1150 CPU used: 245/425
What first stuck out to me is how much more difficult it is to fit an armor tanking ship than a shield taking ship in regards to PG/CPU.
Second, I noticed that neither turret ships can fit even 5x 250MM Railguns without fitting modules that increase the PG.
-Why is it that neither ship, not even fully fitted, can fit cruiser sized guns?
-Why is the largest Shield Extender a lot easier to fit than the 2nd to largest armor plate, let alone the largest armor plate?
-Why does the Brutix, at base level, only receive 150 PG to help fit the more PG consuming plates over the Ferox fitting the less consuming Shield Extenders?
-Why is the Ferox able to fit the alternate weapon (Heavy Missile Launcher) with the above fittings and the Brutix cannot (Heavy Neutron Blaster)?
-Is there really even a problem here? i.e. this is the way it is supposed to be?
-If the Large Shield Extender is truly ôBattleship classö, why is the Ferox able to fit this module? WouldnÆt 1600MM plate be considered ôBattleshipö class, and should the Brutix be able to fit it?
-Should I stop fretting about this and get back to my day job?
* Description lists this module as ôBattleship classö
** Description lists this module as ôCruiser classö
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Samirol
Ore Mongers
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Posted - 2006.08.09 20:42:00 -
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Edited by: Samirol on 09/08/2006 20:52:00
Large Shield Extender II provides 1260 less hp than a 1600
It is working as intended that it is a ***** to fit Heavy Neutron IIs. It pretty much goes like this
Electrons -> heavy tank
Ion -> light tank
Neutron -> what tank?
that is the way it is supposed to go with rails, if you are fitting 250s, expect to give up a decent part of the tank
-Heavy Launchers don't fit into the gun -> tank equation since there is only 1 size
and if you are fitting a 1600 plate, you are taking a hit in your guns, and fitting a 1600 on a brutix will make you turn slower than a car in molasses.
Everything is pretty much working as intended, and to make up for the loss of pg to fit the plate, the brutix gets a armor rep bonus
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Yarek Balear
Veto.
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Posted - 2006.08.09 20:44:00 -
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You know, it's wierd... technically everything you've pointed out seems reasonable, but there's on thing you haven't taken into consideration at all - if two equally skilled pilots were flying a Brutix and a Ferox, I'd put money on the Brutix winning...
So even though when you micro-examine module setups, I still think the Brutix holds it's own in the BC class...
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slothe
Caldari
Forsaken Empire
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Posted - 2006.08.09 20:45:00 -
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brutix can fit a full rack of cruiser guns easy (t2) and fit good tank.
ferox tank is awesome if fitted correctly. i cont know who would win tbh.
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Sadayiel
Caldari
Tropical Killer Bananas
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Posted - 2006.08.09 22:29:00 -
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my common brutix setup for pve uses 6x 250mm and similar basic tank that most BS, without plates.
adding a PDU i can end with 7x 250mm with ease.
Brutix = lot of cpu lack of powergrid
Ferox = would lack Cpu and get extra powergrid, but not sure really
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Benglada
Central Defiance
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Posted - 2006.08.09 22:40:00 -
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all your brutix setups suck and all your ferox setups suck.
assuming low skills ferox will win with a good passive tank
assuming medium skills it will be a helluva close match
assuming high skills brutix will wipe the floor (any brutix should be able to tank a ferox with just 1 MAR2)
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 Originally by: Wrangler
Unfrtinately you dnot get to vote.. 
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Kazire
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Posted - 2006.08.09 23:03:00 -
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lol, thats funny.
A ferox can match a brutix's dps in shield regen, assuming equally high skills.
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Ghoest
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Posted - 2006.08.09 23:56:00 -
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With good skills the ferox can fit 5 250s, 2 heavies and still have a nice passive tank.
I think it would take swesome skills to 7 250s on the Brutix and have a good tank.
Im not sure which is better, but I think the ferox can hold its own better than some of you think.
Wherever you went - here you are.
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inSpirAcy
Caldari
The Solopwnmobiles
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Posted - 2006.08.10 00:44:00 -
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Originally by: Ghoest
I think it would take swesome skills to 7 250s on the Brutix and have a good tank.
Who on earth fits rails to a Brutix for high damage PvP? 
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Ghoest
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Posted - 2006.08.10 00:52:00 -
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The OP.
Wherever you went - here you are.
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Jogyn
Office linebackers
Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate
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Posted - 2006.08.10 01:20:00 -
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What are you rabbling about, 250mm's?
Brutix with blasters will *****a ferox.
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Onel Whitaker
The Priory
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Posted - 2006.08.10 03:03:00 -
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The Ferox is the better ship in IMO, I can fly the Brutix, but in most cases the Ferox proves to be the better ship, if u fit the ferox with 5x missile launchers 2x nos and a nice passive shield tank, then you have a good damage and a good tank and no use for cap.
The ferox is a very userfriendly ship but deadly when it use used correctly.
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Arkanor
Gallente
The Scope
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Posted - 2006.08.10 03:16:00 -
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Edited by: Arkanor on 10/08/2006 03:16:42
Originally by: Samirol
and if you are fitting a 1600 plate, you are taking a hit in your guns, and fitting a 1600 on a brutix will make you turn slower than a car in molasses.
Better make that one a golf cart 4 feet deep in cement.
Someone had a big thread on how battlecruisers are such bathtubs, a battleship warps faster played
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WoW = hardcore paladins smashin dat face.
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Benglada
Central Defiance
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Posted - 2006.08.10 04:21:00 -
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Edited by: Benglada on 10/08/2006 04:21:30
dont preach the feroxs praise and say the brutix is crap until you can use t2 blasters
Just. Dont.
Edit: i will break any ferox tank in my brutix
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Originally by: Wrangler
Unfrtinately you dnot get to vote..
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Samirol
Ore Mongers
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Posted - 2006.08.10 04:57:00 -
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Originally by: Arkanor
Edited by: Arkanor on 10/08/2006 03:16:42
Originally by: Samirol
and if you are fitting a 1600 plate, you are taking a hit in your guns, and fitting a 1600 on a brutix will make you turn slower than a car in molasses.
Better make that one a golf cart 4 feet deep in cement.
Someone had a big thread on how battlecruisers are such bathtubs, a battleship warps faster played
yeah, i saw that. A megathron with a 1600 and a thorax with a 1600 warps faster than a brutix with a 1600
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Hugh Ruka
Caldari
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Posted - 2006.08.10 06:28:00 -
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Edited by: Hugh Ruka on 10/08/2006 06:28:56
1. you ignored engineering and weapon upgrades skills in your post
2. ferox is quite easy to fit with good skills
3. ferox is a long range ship, you don't need much of a tank (one large extender or large shield booster).
5x 250mm scout, 2x rocket t2
2x invul field, 1 em shield amp, 2x large extender t2
2x pds t2, 2x mag stab t2
or
5x ion blaster t2, 1 med nos
10 mn mwd, web, scram, invul, large shield booster
rcu, 3x mag stab t2
this one has one empty high slot and inferior tank to a brutix, but blaster range can go to 6km optimal with void.
never used a brutix, so cannot tell how it fits, however it should have a stronger tank than the ion ferox.
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Majenta Mynx
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Posted - 2006.08.10 06:47:00 -
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I wanna see a T2 fitted Ferox beat a T2 fitted Brutix.
Even a Thorax can beat Ferox if it is a good player flying the thorax but I just dont see how you can beat Brutix on Ferox unless the Brutix pilot just simply sucks.
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K1K1R1K1
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Posted - 2006.08.10 07:00:00 -
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Originally by: Benglada
Edited by: Benglada on 10/08/2006 04:21:30
dont preach the feroxs praise and say the brutix is crap until you can use t2 blasters
Just. Dont.
Edit: i will break any ferox tank in my brutix
I'm no Ferfox expert.
I'm no Brutix expert.
But don't you need to be able to hit your target to break its' tank? =P
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Ujio Noki
Puppets on Steroids
Veritas Immortalis
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Posted - 2006.08.10 07:49:00 -
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Originally by: Majenta Mynx
I wanna see a T2 fitted Ferox beat a T2 fitted Brutix.
Even a Thorax can beat Ferox if it is a good player flying the thorax but I just dont see how you can beat Brutix on Ferox unless the Brutix pilot just simply sucks.
i'v taken on 2 raxs in my ferox and won, and also have beaten brutix piltos with much more SP than me. If you know how to fit a ferox properly, it can beat any of the other bc's. Although in general the brutix is much better for pvp because it can tank and tackle, whereas a ferox has to sacrifice all its meds and at least 2 lows to fit any kind of heavy tank |
Hugh Ruka
Caldari
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Posted - 2006.08.10 08:07:00 -
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Originally by: Majenta Mynx
I wanna see a T2 fitted Ferox beat a T2 fitted Brutix.
Even a Thorax can beat Ferox if it is a good player flying the thorax but I just dont see how you can beat Brutix on Ferox unless the Brutix pilot just simply sucks.
Brutix ha clear advantage in one more gun and drones, also tank.
however ferox can keep almost twice the range. if fited with heavy launchers instead of nos, the damage is not that bad.
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Benglada
Central Defiance
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Posted - 2006.08.10 08:14:00 -
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ferox is slower then a brutix for one...much slower...
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Originally by: Wrangler
Unfrtinately you dnot get to vote..
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Majenta Mynx
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Posted - 2006.08.10 08:45:00 -
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Originally by: Ujio Noki
Originally by: Majenta Mynx
I wanna see a T2 fitted Ferox beat a T2 fitted Brutix.
Even a Thorax can beat Ferox if it is a good player flying the thorax but I just dont see how you can beat Brutix on Ferox unless the Brutix pilot just simply sucks.
i'v taken on 2 raxs in my ferox and won, and also have beaten brutix piltos with much more SP than me. If you know how to fit a ferox properly, it can beat any of the other bc's. Although in general the brutix is much better for pvp because it can tank and tackle, whereas a ferox has to sacrifice all its meds and at least 2 lows to fit any kind of heavy tank
So you want a 1on1? Your Ferox and my Brutix. You can choose the location. Be it empire or 0.0. I just cant agree with Ferox beating Brutix unless you prove it to me.
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Kaylon Syi
Gallente
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Posted - 2006.08.10 09:37:00 -
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there is only one reason why you should ever consider flying a brutix...
his name is krulla
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Clais Monaige
Prodigy Enterprise
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Posted - 2006.08.10 19:43:00 -
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Originally by: Hugh Ruka
Brutix ha clear advantage in one more gun and drones, also tank.
Truly said - don't forget drones!
I guess that Brutix wins when in blaster range, while Ferox wins in any other case^^
On the other hand why ask that question? Fly what you want to fly, not what is considered to be the best, imho. I prefer the brutix 'cause i nearly have no missile skills...oh, and i also lack in Caldari cruiser skill 
Short range is such a fun, and having a pack of drones is sometimes calming 
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Crellion
Art of War
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Posted - 2006.08.10 20:07:00 -
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PvP assuming good skills usual fit Ferox will die to usual fit Brutix very very fast. Whoever thinks Ferox can tank the 700 or something DPS a techII blaster Brutix with tech II med drones makes with passive shield regen lays another game altogether... Only a weird/specific Ferox set up like Blasters 2xNos multis/gallente racials and armor tank has a good chance of perhaps winning. I expect this too would die if it missed jamms for 20-30 secs or so.
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Jin Entres
Sharks With Frickin' Laser Beams
Mercenary Coalition
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Posted - 2006.08.10 20:15:00 -
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Originally by: Kazire
lol, thats funny.
A ferox can match a brutix's dps in shield regen, assuming equally high skills.
Show me a Ferox that can sustain 662 + 100 DPS that is from a Brutix with 5 ions 2 electrons, 2 damage mods and 5 medium exp drones.
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