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inSpirAcy
Caldari
The Solopwnmobiles
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Posted - 2006.08.11 01:53:00 -
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I think the Maller's a great looking ship, but all these 1600mm / small gun setups make me cry. So I set out to see if I really could squeeze a sensible medium laser setup on here. Take your projectile setups elsewhere. 
5x Focused Medium Pulse Laser II
1x E50 Prototype Energy Vampire
1x 10MN Afterburner II
1x Faint Warp Prohibitor I
1x X5 Prototype I Engine Enervator
1x Medium Armor Repairer II
1x 800mm Reinforced Crystalline Carbonide Plates I
2x Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane II
1x Pseudoelectron Containment Field I
1x Mark I Generator Refitting: Reaction Control
3825 armor with 84%/69%/71%/75% resists, maxed compensation
20.3 PG / 0.91 CPU remaining with a 3% turret CPU implant
I've sacrificed the 1600mm plate for an 800mm; RT is the best but it's so rare I've had to downgrade to crystalline. The named RCU is cheap and squeezes out that extra bit of CPU you need.
I really wanted to chuck the DC for a heat sink on here but it's already on the CPU border. Now I'm calling on the experience of the EVE elders to comment on whether this setup makes any sense or not. Is the extra damage from FMP II without heatsinks worth the tank hit from a 1600mm/small laser setup?
Or is this just an expensive sub-Prophecy disaster waiting to happen? 
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Polydectes
Destructive Influence
Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2006.08.11 01:55:00 -
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Maller is a good cruiser for fleet support, like protecting bs's from tacklers.
I use something similar, however, i drop the NOS and use focused medium beams, that way i dont have to worry about range. And a t2 800mm plate can fit on there with t2 heatsink.
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Valea Silpha
Cereal Killerz
Chimaera Pact
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Posted - 2006.08.11 02:04:00 -
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I salute you for putting medium turrets on a cruiser. Its depressingly rare these days.
The set-up looks solid, and i can't fault you on it really. I would probably drop the nos and reactor control in favor of a heat sink too, but thats just becuase the mallers damage isn't that fabulous.
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inSpirAcy
Caldari
The Solopwnmobiles
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Posted - 2006.08.11 11:05:00 -
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Thanks for the suggestions. I think you're both right I really do need a heat sink on here. I couldn't find an MAR/800mm setup that really worked for me, so let's try this one...
5x Focused Medium Pulse Laser II
1x Small Energy Neutralizer II
1x 10MN Afterburner II
1x Faint Warp Prohibitor I
1x X5 Prototype I Engine Enervator
1x Small Armor Repairer II
1x 1600mm Reinforced Rolled Tungsten Plates I
2x Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane II
1x Heat Sink II
1x Power Diagnostic System II
6075 armor with 82%/64%/66%/71% resist, maxed compensation
7.25 PG / 13.25 CPU remaining with Eng V, Elec V, WU V, AWU V
This is an evil setup to fit because it needs Advanced Weapon Upgrades V if you don't want to leave that last high slot empty. With the NOS out of the picture I decided it needed to become a little more passive, and the 1600mm plate helps that aim. The PDS also improves cap recharge a little.
The neutralizer is just to annoy close-range tacklers, disabling their MWD so you can web and dispose of them. I feel a bit naked without drones but that's the Maller style, so...
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Samirol
Ore Mongers
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Posted - 2006.08.11 11:26:00 -
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i love the SAR II, 1600 plate setups personally
Smacktalk Generator
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Dark Whisper
Sanguine Legion
Atrocitas
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Posted - 2006.08.11 11:35:00 -
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nice set up's insp, next time im in system with the main id like to see its damage, im still using the small gun set ups on mine and would like a change.....
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inSpirAcy
Caldari
The Solopwnmobiles
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Posted - 2006.08.11 12:44:00 -
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I've done a quick damage estimate with Naughty Boy's spreadsheet. Not used it before so I hope I got it right. 
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A quick scout of the common Duramaller setups reveals that one Heat Sink II is the most popular, so I think this represents a fair comparison. We only gain about 15% DPS over MP II w/ Conflag but about 60% in range. One might suggest that FMP II really comes into its own with Scorch, but closer scrutiny shows that MP II's optimal is already beyond E50 NOS range.
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inSpirAcy
Caldari
The Solopwnmobiles
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Posted - 2006.08.11 13:32:00 -
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Edited by: inSpirAcy on 11/08/2006 13:35:01
Aha! I think I'm starting to get the hang of this ship...
3x Focused Medium Pulse Laser II
2x Quad Light Beam Laser II
1x Small Energy Neutralizer II
1x 10MN Afterburner II
1x Faint Warp Prohibitor I
1x X5 Prototype I Engine Enervator
1x Small Armor Repairer II
1x 1600mm Reinforced Rolled Tungsten Plates I
2x Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane II
2x Heat Sink II
6075 armor with 82%/64%/66%/71% resist, maxed compensation
9.4 PG / 3.75 CPU remaining with Eng V, Elec V, WU V, AWU V
I got two heat sinks on, yay! The QLB II may look a bit kooky at first but it can match the range of FMP II. It's not great at extreme range: Aurora devastates its tracking to half that of FMP II, but works well at short-mid range. Fill that with Conflag / Scorch and you're starting to get a damaging beast.
I'd love to do a graph of this but NB's spreadsheet doesn't list QLB II.
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KilROCK
Minmatar
Angel Deep Corporation
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Posted - 2006.08.17 08:34:00 -
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Gleam makes your ship 25% bigger in size for each guns fitted with that lens.
It's not that great..
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Hedeon Mishenka
Caldari
Kinetic Vector
Freelancer Alliance
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Posted - 2006.09.03 21:51:00 -
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Anyone have a good setup for a fleet cruiser class tackler? I just need something a little more durable than an inty... I was thinking something along these lines:
HIGH
3x Medium Pulse Laser II
3x Medium Nos II
MED
1x 10mn AB II
1x Warp Scrambler (20km)
1x Webber
LOW
1x Medium Armor Rep II
2x Energized Adaptive Nano II
1x 1600mm Plate
2x Cap Power Relay
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Ereinion Erinsal
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Posted - 2006.09.04 05:35:00 -
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Hey guys, I am kinda ****ed, my Arb just got fragged because the warp took way too long. (Kept changing direction whats up with that =P) I am migrating to a Maller because I don't need to rely on drones at all. What would be a good setup for lvl 2 missions. Also is a destroyer better for the job? (lvl 2 missions I mean)
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Clone Alpha
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Posted - 2006.09.04 09:54:00 -
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destroyers can do most lvl2 missions - they just take a long time with a lot of warping away and repairing then warping back.
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General Apocalypse
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Posted - 2006.09.04 11:20:00 -
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Well for PVP i say drop 1 gun and fit a NOS and get red of the plate and fit a heatskin . This way you can run the rep 24/7 and make your enemy dry faster.
It always worked for me.
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Mistique One
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Posted - 2006.09.04 11:25:00 -
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 Originally by: KilROCK
Gleam makes your ship 25% bigger in size for each guns fitted with that lens.
It's not that great..
I supose you use Conflagration but if you find it to nasty you might whant to replace it whit Gamma and even swich the tech II guns whit some modulated ones whit gamma . It's all a matter of luck and skills
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Zosimos Sabina
Amarr
Loot
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Posted - 2006.09.10 04:00:00 -
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Edited by: Zosimos Sabina on 10/09/2006 04:02:40
Maller, low-sp edition
5x Medium Beam Laser I
Medium Nosferatu I
10MN Afterburner I
Medium Capacitor Battery I
J5 Prototype Warp Inhibitor I
Medium Armor Repairer I
1600mm Reinforced Steel Plates I
2x Adaptive Nano Plating I
Damage Control I
Capacitor Power Relay I
I tried the medium turret version, but it just didn't work out for me too well. You can shoot frigs much better with the small turrets, and the 1600mm plate is no joke.
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RujoKinJal
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Posted - 2006.10.02 01:21:00 -
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I really like your final setup inSpirAcy.
Have you made any changes scents your last post??
And could you tell me how it works out?
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Demora Anglis
Amarr
The Splinter Syndicate
SMASH Alliance
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Posted - 2007.03.27 05:36:00 -
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Personal favorite:
5x Quad Light Beam Laser II
1x Med Nos
10mn AB II
20km Scram
X5 Webber
Medium Armor Rep II
2x EANM II
1x Heatsink II
800mm Rolled Tungsten Plate
1x CPR
Why the Quad Light Beam Laser II? Because it has slightly better tracking than Focused Medium Pulse II, just about the same optimal, only slightly less fall-off, and only slightly less DPS. The final kicker being that it requires less PG for an entirely more low-slot, which here I have chosen to fit with an EANM II for more tankiness. You can easily switch that out for a Heatsink II to compensate for the lost DPS of switching to Quads.
Originally by: Zappapapa
I beat a Dominix and an Armageddon with a Dominix, thus Dominix > Dominix + Armageddon. Subtracting a Dominix from each side gives you 0 > Armageddon. QED, Amarr
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Syntosk
Amarr
Ticon Enterprises
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Posted - 2007.03.27 06:39:00 -
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Originally by: Hedeon Mishenka
Anyone have a good setup for a fleet cruiser class tackler? I just need something a little more durable than an inty...
Assault Frigates?
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mematar
Space Perverts and Forum Warriors United
Cult of War
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Posted - 2007.03.27 08:00:00 -
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Edited by: mematar on 27/03/2007 07:57:49
This is how I would fit a Maller:
5x Dual 180mm Autocannon II
1x 10MN Afterburner II
1x Fleeting Propulsion Inhibitor
1x Fleeting Warp Scrambler
1x 1600mm Rolled Tungsten
1x Medium 'Accomodation' Armor Repairer
2x Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane II
1x Damage Control II
1x Gyrostabilizer II
7.2 PG / 26.75 CPU left with AWU 4.
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Grissem
Brutor tribe
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Posted - 2007.03.27 13:23:00 -
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HIGH-SLOTS :
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- [175|20] Medium Diminishing Power System Drain I
- [126|15] 425mm Medium 'Scout' Autocannon I
- [126|15] 425mm Medium 'Scout' Autocannon I
- [126|15] 425mm Medium 'Scout' Autocannon I
- [126|15] 425mm Medium 'Scout' Autocannon I
- [126|15] 425mm Medium 'Scout' Autocannon I
MED-SLOTS :
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- [150|50] Y-T8 Overcharged Hydrocarbon I Microwarpdrive
- [1|24] Faint Epsilon Warp Prohibitor I
- [1|21] X5 Prototype I Engine Enervator
LOW-SLOTS :
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- [2|30] Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane II
- [2|30] Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane II
- [1|30] Damage Control II
- [2|30] Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane II
- [0|15] Reactor Control Unit II
- [150|21] Medium 'Accommodation' Vestment Reconstructer I
SHIP'S ATTRIBUTES :
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Powergrid : 1114.0 MW / 1293.75 MW
CPU : 349.75 tf / 350.0 tf
Capacitor (regen) : 1350.0 Energy (403.13sec)
Max Cap Regen : 8.2 per sec (approx.)
Max Cap Needed : 35.32 per sec
Velocity : 973.269 m/sec
Signature : 812.5 m
Target Range : 57000.0 m
Scan Resolution : 293.75 mm
ECCM Radar : 14.0 points
Shield HP (regen) : 1710.0 HP (937.5sec)
Max Shield Regen : 4.56 per sec (approx.)
Shield EM : 12.5 %
Shield Explo : 65.0 %
Shield Kinetic : 47.5 %
Shield Thermal : 30.0 %
Armor HP : 2343.75
Armor EM : 82.58 %
Armor Explo : 68.19 %
Armor Kinetic : 70.18 %
Armor Thermal : 74.15 %
Structure HP : 2148.75
Drone Capacity : 0
Capacity : 280.0
Warp Max Distance : 260.5AU
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Scotty Estimates
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Posted - 2007.03.27 13:33:00 -
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I think my t1 fit nos+neutralizer setup Vexor would probably kill any of those setups - they're all cap dependant for either damage or tank. perhaps swap the web for an injector and fly with a friend? Or fly it like a rax and try and squeeze as much damage as possible out before cap dies...
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Upsa
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Posted - 2007.09.19 18:40:00 -
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High Slot*
3x Medium Pulse lazer + 3 Multifrequancy S
2x Medium nosfTratu
1x Prototype Cloaking Device
Med Slot*
1x Hydrocarbon Afterburner
1x Scrambler 7500km
1 Paterned web 85 %
Low Slot*
1x 1600 Plate
1x Medium Armor Repair T2
2x Energized adaptive nano manbrane T2
1x Damage control T2
1x Nanoelecrical Cpu
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