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Fausto
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Posted - 2003.10.13 08:39:00 -
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Who said anything about banning pirates? I'm just saying that most of EVE pirate are ruining the game for 90% of the players. Does adapting to changes mean finding new exploits for you? And now pirates whine about great alliances being worse then they are? Is it becouse the allinaces stopped using your services and now you are on your own?
Want to hear another pirate exploit? A BB scans people in secure space until it finds someone with cool cargo. And then it passive webs him until his mates with alts jump in and shoot him (lets say a shutle carrying implants or BPs) and let themselfs be blown up by concord since the don't give a truck about their alts. And BB just collects the loot and flys unharmed. I have seen happen. I have even been scrambled by one in 1.0 near a station.
I would not mind pirates that are in it for the loot, but people collecting biomass make me sick, and they are EVE's majority.
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TIvian
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Posted - 2003.10.13 09:28:00 -
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Edited by: TIvian on 13/10/2003 09:29:26
Fausto,
Did you not learn anything from my all my other posts on this subject? why do insist on punishing your self on this subject. The argument is the same as before. Nothing has changed. When you express yourself like you have done the thread turns into a flaming
Turd! You have to let it go. And remember that the game is still new and that even in its current state, it doesnÆt resemble the game that came out in May. Things will progress. Things will changeà..again I say LET IT GO FOR NOW.
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Fausto
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Posted - 2003.10.13 10:47:00 -
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Tivian, there are too many people letting go by not playing any more. The number of players on the server is deacrising weekly and in my opinion one of the reasons is our beloved 'tough boys' collecting biomass and destroying others just for fun. If I didn't like EVE I would not be flaming here. Most of them don't. They will simply move to another game and exploit even more. They get their fun in humiliating others, not in fair-play fights. I bet they would kick a drunk sleeping on the sidewalk just becouse the can if it wasn't illegal.
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Mydol
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Posted - 2003.10.13 10:59:00 -
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Tivian, there are too many people letting go by not playing any more. The number of players on the server is deacrising weekly and in my opinion one of the reasons is our beloved 'tough boys' collecting biomass and destroying others just for fun. If I didn't like EVE I would not be flaming here. Most of them don't. They will simply move to another game and exploit even more. They get their fun in humiliating others, not in fair-play fights. I bet they would kick a drunk sleeping on the sidewalk just becouse the can if it wasn't illegal.
Depends on the situation. First if the bum was in the United States I could just complain to the cops that he was exploiting a bug by participating in public intoxication (which is illegal). If it was in another country where you can legally be passed out and drunk on the sidewalk, I would kick him in his head, steal whatever money he may actually have, and then camp his spot demanding tribute if he ever returned.
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Fausto
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Posted - 2003.10.13 14:47:00 -
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I knew you would
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Tok Narok
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Posted - 2003.10.13 14:59:00 -
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Tivian, there are too many people letting go by not playing any more. The number of players on the server is deacrising weekly and in my opinion one of the reasons is our beloved 'tough boys' collecting biomass and destroying others just for fun. If I didn't like EVE I would not be flaming here. Most of them don't. They will simply move to another game and exploit even more. They get their fun in humiliating others, not in fair-play fights. I bet they would kick a drunk sleeping on the sidewalk just becouse the can if it wasn't illegal.
Depends on the situation. First if the bum was in the United States I could just complain to the cops that he was exploiting a bug by participating in public intoxication (which is illegal). If it was in another country where you can legally be passed out and drunk on the sidewalk, I would kick him in his head, steal whatever money he may actually have, and then camp his spot demanding tribute if he ever returned.
If it was the UK, the bum would probably be me, and I would accept, due to drunken stupor, whatever kickings I received (although the police would have already stolen my money)...
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Django Wolfe
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Posted - 2003.10.13 15:54:00 -
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*sigh*
If you're getting fed up of having ships destroyed and ISK losses due to player pirates, the following steps might help.
1. Stay away from known pirate areas.
2. Check the map for podkills and pilots in space in your general area and route. Check Local pilots to see their sec rating.
3. If transporting expensive goods, hire an escort or make friends with other people and do it in a group. Roleplay & Interact with others!
4. Don't go to 0.0 unprepared. Go in cruisers with a set up to escape threats i.e MWD, Warp Core Stabilisers. The shield penalty and cap penalty is worth it fo a quick escape. Choose your ship and set up carefully!
There are plenty of things you can do to avoid pirates.
You can always mine something else and buy your bistot/megacyte with the proceeds. Negociate deals with corps?
I agree that camping jump in points is out of order though...Thats an exploit if you ask me. I had no problem with gate camping...At least you could make a break for it!
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Skillz
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Posted - 2003.10.13 17:07:00 -
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Edited by: Skillz on 13/10/2003 17:08:13
End yourself.
It's very funny for the newbies if you're successful with your whining. Then they can't do anything than mine veldspar since you and your cronies killed the only thing really fun in the game when they grow up and have 5 battleships.
Keep on flaming, lamers.
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Redon
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Posted - 2003.10.13 18:14:00 -
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Fausto go cry to ur mommy, seriously dude lol.
i was a miner in the first to weeks of playing to make isk, god is mining BORING. later i joined a pirate corp when my friend invited me to come when i was rdy. pirating is the only way to have fun in this game. unless u call looking at roids for 5hrs straight fun.
whats the point of having all the best stuff if u not going to use it. thats what a carebear is my friend. 
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omri
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Posted - 2003.10.13 19:20:00 -
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i am the ceo of mercenray frigates , we dont camp jump in points. as many have pointed out what kind of fight is that. and i agree. the only time you will find us at a jump in point is when we are gathering upon entering a system. and yes if someone pops in we will most likey attack them, but it would be pure chance that would happen.
and as for people quitting the game because of pirates... i have a bit of news for you. my corp was 10 people b4 we posted are recruitment ad in the crime/punishment area. now we are over 50 and 30 of those where going to quit the game cuz they was chopping rocks 24/7 until they read that post, so.... alot of people were going to quit the game due to repetitive boredom
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many of the above posts [ please discount the flameing posts] are acurate . ccp needs to make the changes that we all need or one day we will all quit.
once ccp corrects the jumpin point flaw , conquers the defenders advantage due to lag ,and makes fleet action combat viable the game will be improved.
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Princess Podkill
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Posted - 2003.10.13 19:22:00 -
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Pirates ARE good for the economy. The motor in the Eve economy are weapons and BATTLEships... so what else could fuel the economy but the destruction of your ship? In real life when there is a war you shift production from useful stuff such as toasters and toothpaste to Tanks and plastic explosives. In Eve all you can make is war equipment. Is that not a good hint enough for you that this game is all about PvP??
Go play Sims Online
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hellwarrior
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Posted - 2003.10.14 01:41:00 -
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Fausto i thought your mother told you to stop running into brick walls...
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Squirrrel
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Posted - 2003.10.14 04:57:00 -
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Edited by: Squirrrel on 14/10/2003 04:58:31
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Most of the pirates are so full of 'it'. blah blah blah
I don't know about you, but I bought the game for the very reason that the universe would be dangerous and exciting.
Pirates killing and stripping items is the least of the problems that the game has, and it's the other problems that are likely to be driving people away from the game.
Seems to me though, that you've walked into a bakery and are screaming and complaining that they sell bread.
Bottom line: Drive away the pirates: Kill the game completely for pirates and non-pirates alike.
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Fausto
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Posted - 2003.10.14 05:07:00 -
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Bottom line: Drive away the pirates: Kill the game completely for pirates and non-pirates alike.
And yet another post about pirates being the only good thing in EVE. So 90% of the players are stupid for not being pirates? What is next? Organized sacrifice runs into pirate systems so that we can keep you happy since you are the best thing in EVE?!?
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Squirrrel
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Posted - 2003.10.14 07:33:00 -
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Bottom line: Drive away the pirates: Kill the game completely for pirates and non-pirates alike.
And yet another post about pirates being the only good thing in EVE. So 90% of the players are stupid for not being pirates? What is next? Organized sacrifice runs into pirate systems so that we can keep you happy since you are the best thing in EVE?!?
Your posts just seem like jumbled rants that run all over the place.
1) I am not a pirate. My signature might tip you off on this.
2) Of course 90% of the player base aren't stupid for not being pirates.
I enjoy football, yet I don't have to be a footballer myself to do so.
3) The game was always made out to be pretty much what it is, a dangerous universe that you can be whatever you want to be... and that of course includes blasting other players to pieces.
I'm not definding pirates as such, more the principle of the game that we all had a good enough idea what it was about, tried to find our niche, and then some found they weren't too good at the game/dealing with things and started to moan.
It's like the little corporations that moan about the big guys having the advantages.
Them's the breaks.
The bigger your fleet of fighter/miners/explorers the more chance you have, but that too a lot of people don't seem to realise and want their corp of 8 people to do as well as one of 60.
Read what people are actually replying with to your posts so we can at least have a half decent conversation about it, else it's just you reading what you want and using it to suit your argument.
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Myrddraal
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Posted - 2003.10.14 08:11:00 -
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In the universe of eve there are many ways to simply play safe. People simply do not do it. This is not a game for immature children/whinners. If you are too lazy too open your map and check to see if an area is safe or if you dont read the forums and learn who the pirates are and keep an eye out for them when they are in your system then what do you expect??? I am no pirate, but pirates do make eve. Not because they are pirates per say but because the people that hate them start wars  this allows more than just simple battles it allows alliances and the formations of strategy which is what eve is all about. Everyone loses a ship here and there but if you are too ignorant to realize that then go hide in a hole till the end of time its the only way youll be happy. I am sick of whinners and that is that.
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Fausto
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Posted - 2003.10.14 10:58:00 -
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WTF are you talking abot people?!? Comparing football with pirating?!? And checking maps is just useless sice pirates are now attacking people in secure space also (read other posts before you say anything on that one). And there are also people making alts and attacking miners in 1.0 space. Who gives a damn if you get killed by concord, the important part is to kill a mining n00b, right?
Ever heard of fair-play? I guess not.
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Serge
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Posted - 2003.10.14 12:18:00 -
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thb - its that easy to play pirate / terrorist whatever that I wonder how "few" of them are around.
Just imagine ... take out ppl in 0.0 ... they are alone or in a small group farming NPCs or mining. With a team of 2 players (the jammer and the torp launcher) you take them out in some seconds! Only because of the difference between "act" and "react".
I wonder that "pirates" still get caught by lawfull players and tbh I belive most of them pirate babbling when it sounds "I CTD¦d" they really are. Insta-jump bookmarks/routes, secure spots in systems and the knowledge of reaction times and action gives the aggressor the needed bonus to evade ALL player attempts to hunt a "pirate" team. Unless game mechanics help the lawfull onces by CTDing the pirate :)
This game is not getting destroyed by "pirates" but by CCP itself. But maybe they wanted it this way and we carebears have to adapt! damn.
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Squirrrel
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Posted - 2003.10.14 13:06:00 -
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WTF are you talking abot people?!? Comparing football with pirating?!?
<sigh> Do you know how to hold a conversation?
Context. Go look it up.
My point was that just like I can enjoy something, for example a sport and not have to be a player, I can enjoy the role of pirates in-game.
You seemed to have me down as one, so I tried to explain that I wasn't, and didn't have to be to hold my views.
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Ever heard of fair-play? I guess not.
Are all pirates cheats then?
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Darkmoon Lotus
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Posted - 2003.10.14 13:36:00 -
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Everyone in EVE has a right to enjoy the game or else what's the point in playing? I'm not a pirate myself but i aknowledge it as another aspect of the game. That said, being an aspect of the EVE universe, it (pirates and what they do) can also be exploited for stoyline purposes. Pirates i assume don't only affect Player Characters(PCs) but NPC Corps and Governments. GMs could maybe allow for a higher co-op between Players and governemnts/CONCORD, would be fun. CCP can't stop playing a game but if there are genuine exploits they should be curtailed, what is classed as 'genuine' then? That is not really up to the players to decide but GMs. I prefair to look foward to new tech and stuff in the game than think about pirates |
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Fausto
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Posted - 2003.10.14 13:43:00 -
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Squirrrel, you are telling me that you enjoy the rolle of pirate without beeing one yourself? Or you enjoy watching pirates in EVE kill people (like you enjoy football)? It kmakes no sense to me, whatever the explanation might be.
And for the second question: Not all pirates in EVE are cheaters. BUT MOST ARE!!! To most of them it's not about pvp. It's about killing someone who can't fight back. There are very few pirates in EVE universe that don't run when they are confronted by resistance of few players.
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Squirrrel
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Posted - 2003.10.14 14:06:00 -
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Squirrrel, you are telling me that you enjoy the rolle of pirate without beeing one yourself? Or you enjoy watching pirates in EVE kill people (like you enjoy football)? It kmakes no sense to me, whatever the explanation might be.
Football isn't really just about watching it, so don't think so literally.
Speculation, rivalry, controversy and opinion are all important aspects.
So, no I am not a pirate, yet without pirates in the game, it would be dull.
It leads to excitment, heartache, danger, sense of achievement etc.
Read the back of the box and see just how dangerous and open the universe is supposed to be.
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And for the second question: Not all pirates in EVE are cheaters. BUT MOST ARE!!! To most of them it's not about pvp. It's about killing someone who can't fight back. There are very few pirates in EVE universe that don't run when they are confronted by resistance of few players.
You are falling into a classic mindeset trap here then: that of the pirate should be honourable and fighting on equal terms, a level playing field.
That doesn't happen, especially if you are smart.
Look at how wars are fought, how the big tall, long reached boxer jabs the face off the smaller guy - you use what you can to win.
Now some may cheat, you say most, please provide evidence to back this up.
Also, is jamming the hell out of and disabling an enemy before blasting it cheating?
Is running away from a fight you might not win cheating?
Is blasting ships that are loading after a jump or gone LD cheating?
If you answer yes to most of these, you are probably rushing headlong into every available confrontation without using your brain, and losing - and thats leading to your complaint.
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Kr'Kal
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Posted - 2003.10.14 14:09:00 -
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All I've to say is that Pirates are good for the game, but not those gate campers waiting for a single person to pass by. A corpmate of mine got attacked by biomass recently who camped at a stargate with about 30 drones around creating lag as hell. That's what really pi**es me off : using drones instead of cans to create lag.
A REAL pirate would've never done that. But well how many ppl are really doing the RPG in this MMORPG. please u so-called pirates out there: fight like pirates, do hit-and-run fights try to hit the enemy were it hurts and appear where noone would expect it.
By blocking whole regions at choke systems you'll hurt the economy, by destroying a group of miners you'll help.
Yeah yeah I know things have changed since almost every region is occupied by some alliance, but wouldn't that be the challenge a bold pirate might be looking for?
And one more thing to you gatecampers don't you get bored? I mean where's the fun of sitting in front of a SG or at the other end of it and waiting for one or maybe two ppl to jump by?
Well, summarizing I can say : Pirates ARE good for the game and without them Tetris would be more interesting
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Squirrrel
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Posted - 2003.10.14 14:12:00 -
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All I've to say is that Pirates are good for the game, but not those gate campers waiting for a single person to pass by. A corpmate of mine got attacked by biomass recently who camped at a stargate with about 30 drones around creating lag as hell. That's what really pi**es me off : using drones instead of cans to create lag.
A REAL pirate would've never done that. But well how many ppl are really doing the RPG in this MMORPG. please u so-called pirates out there: fight like pirates, do hit-and-run fights try to hit the enemy were it hurts and appear where noone would expect it.
By blocking whole regions at choke systems you'll hurt the economy, by destroying a group of miners you'll help.
Yeah yeah I know things have changed since almost every region is occupied by some alliance, but wouldn't that be the challenge a bold pirate might be looking for?
And one more thing to you gatecampers don't you get bored? I mean where's the fun of sitting in front of a SG or at the other end of it and waiting for one or maybe two ppl to jump by?
Well, summarizing I can say : Pirates ARE good for the game and without them Tetris would be more interesting
Cyall in space
Out of interest:
What are you basing your opinion on how pirates should fight/act on?
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Fausto
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Posted - 2003.10.14 14:35:00 -
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You asked him but I can answer too (since I'm answeriung almost everything in this thread)
I would like them to respect other players and the game by not cheating or exploiting. And not just pirates. Imagine you have mined bistot with your pals under constant pirate pressure and now you wan't to cash in. You offer a fair price of x isk at the market. But then some arse, sho just copied 80k mega in his lab cuts your price by 20% and ruins your day. Same goes for pirates. You jump in and he gets you before you load the screen. And he thinks he is cool while doing that (cheating looser:).
You wan't evidence? Just check how many posts are there on the same subject and, more important, how many patches were made by CCP just to stop expoiters. More then to improve gameplay I tell you.
P.S. I don't mind pirates being chicken. That is quite normal for a cheaters.
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Squirrrel
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Posted - 2003.10.14 14:49:00 -
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You asked him but I can answer too (since I'm answeriung almost everything in this thread)
I would like them to respect other players and the game by not cheating or exploiting. And not just pirates. Imagine you have mined bistot with your pals under constant pirate pressure and now you wan't to cash in. You offer a fair price of x isk at the market. But then some arse, sho just copied 80k mega in his lab cuts your price by 20% and ruins your day. .
Agree that cheating/exploiting is wrong of course.
Someone undercutting your price is cheating???
RIIIIIght.
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Same goes for pirates. You jump in and he gets you before you load the screen. And he thinks he is cool while doing that (cheating looser:).
And this is because he's hacked the system to remove the invulnerbility timer that CCP has put on your ship to prevent this right?
And yes, if he can blow your ship open and lift the cargo hold + extras without even having to fight - he's cool.
After all, he IS a pirate.
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You wan't evidence? Just check how many posts are there on the same subject and, more important, how many patches were made by CCP just to stop expoiters. More then to improve gameplay I tell you.
Post don't prove anything. Look at the number of posts ore "theft" generated.
Look at how secure cans were handled.
CTD elements are cheats / exploits - and rightly so CCP put put the word that people using them would be banned, I must have missed the ones on gate camping, undercutting prices, running from fights, hanger theft, ore theft etc.
They all have their own string of posts don't they? Hardly proof that most do things.
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P.S. I don't mind pirates being chicken. That is quite normal for a cheaters.
People used to accuse me of the same thing when I "hauled" for them.
My niche was confrontation on my terms, so yes running away may have made me chicken... also made me rich and kept me out of fights I could never handle.
Don't brand everyone a cheat just because they don't do things the way you like or play the game the way you like.
When those controlling the rules of the universe call it a cheat, I accept it, else it's just another guy who couldn't hack it out there throwing his toys out the pram.
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Squirrrel
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Posted - 2003.10.14 14:54:00 -
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A REAL pirate would've never done that. But well how many ppl are really doing the RPG in this MMORPG. please u so-called pirates out there: fight like pirates, do hit-and-run fights try to hit the enemy were it hurts and appear where noone would expect it.
By blocking whole regions at choke systems you'll hurt the economy, by destroying a group of miners you'll help
This is the section is was asking about anyhow, you never really answered it Fausto - you said how you'd like pirates to be.
My question is: What is this opinion of how a pirate should act / fight based on?
17th century?
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Kakalot
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Posted - 2003.10.14 18:28:00 -
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i pay money to play this game, others do the same. Yet some ppl claim regions to benifit themselves. in order to mine for an amount of isk, i spend double/triple time mining. Now my question is : are these cheaters/exploiters? Ok i'm (as some other ppl) like: hey why not open your regions to ppl in EVE universe? Reply: to keep the regions pirate-free. Reality: BS's camping gate and waiting to kill ships, just need an excuse (something like . . . this is "our" territory).  Why shouldn't they listen to MHO? Reply: why should we? Ok so "we are honorable gentlemen who fight for others (by killing pirates and such) . . . Why there are pirates in the game by the way? Ok what defines a pirate? By having negative sec of -5 and below? or 100k bounty? . . . Or what you need is an excuse to test your BS you just got from your alliance? Ok, no pirates in EVE now ( since most of them die off cuz there are so many anti-pirate gentlement these days) .. . what do you do? I mean . . who do you shoot at? (since this is the reason why some of you are playing this game, i'm sure). Your corpmate maybe? Some other alliances?!? OR all the people in EVE can sing peace songs and happy mining/making stuff -> eventully EVERYONE would be cruising around in their BS's. So cheers! Death to all pirates . Pirates kill smaller ships/gate camping n00b players = exploiters. Alliance forces kill smaller ships (pirate ships)/gate camping pirates + n00b player + non-alliance members = ? // missing something here . Lagging/jump in points = the game was programmed as IT IS, no? patch = true then happy; //ok? else{live with it} . *I'm tired of all this typing*. My point is . . whoever ruins my fun would be having me as their enemy whether they are pirates/alliances. Since i'm a one-man army(like Snake ) dont expect me to take on 1000+ player at the same time // although i know you do expect me to .
I'm a pirate now because i want to have fun and make others' game enjoyable // by giving you an excuse to kill/flame/whine and such. *coughs mainly because "they" killed my moa and blackbird without ANY "excuses" . Well my friends i can tell you this: you MADE me a pirate .. we shall meet, indeed.
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Pls dont run away in your Indy when you meet me cuz according to your viewpoint that is lame.
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Fausto
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Posted - 2003.10.14 21:34:00 -
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I already did answer your question: I expect them not to exploit - I expect them to respect other players by playing fair. (Sigh) But some prefer being chicken-cheaters I guess.
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Posted - 2003.10.14 21:56:00 -
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Fausto you will never win this argument. Some see cheating as a part of the game, another way to win. I understand what you mean about playing within the game rules. Pirates can still be evil underhand but play within the rules of the game (no lagging)
But it is basically like a footballer diving for a penalty. Though many of us would be upset with having won a game by cheating, and the trophy would be tarnished in our minds, i think the highest percentage of people would just be happy they had won, by any means possible. That is what happens when the stakes are high. Though eve is not quite as important lol to some it is very important, and they will use any method they can to win. To them blowing up a battleship where the other player is loading is a great victory.
Its a mindset of certain people and while the loopholes are there they will use them. The only answer is to suffocate the game with rules to bind them or to try to ignore these people and get on with it, though this is very hard if you are disadvantaged by a cheat...
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