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Kye Roletto
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
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Posted - 2014.10.10 15:25:00 -
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Recon Satellites
Recon Satellites provide the player with their own personal "Local" and "D-scan" for a remote system. Careful consideration was taken for the potential of these being OP. Appropriately configured skills, satellite characteristics, and/or long training times could balance out the power of Recon Satellites.
Recon Satellite Profile
>Anchored/Launched anywhere in K-space
>Requires periodical maintenence for continued use - Must physically visit each satellite and "Recalibrate" it
>Provides the user with a personal "Local/D-Scan" profile of a remote system
>Can be scanned down
>Can be destroyed
Skills
Satellite Operation
Main skill. Lvl 1 enables player to use 1 satellite, up to a max of five sats at Lvl 5
Satellite Optimization
Each level cuts down maintence frequency. Daily maintenence baseline, and each skill level increases it 1-4 days??
Satellite Tuning
Each level reduces time delay from 30 minutes ago, to 1 minute ago at level 5
Satellite Programming
Each level enables a new tier of information the satellite can relay, starting with:
Level 1 - Orbital Bodies / Structures / POSs / some celestial objects
Level 2 - Drones / Probes / Wrecks
Level 3 - Anomalies (green ones)
Level 4 - Cosmic Sigatures (red ones)
Level 5 - Ships
If Recon Satellites are too over powered, then the following characteristics can be added. One, two, or all three of them can be implemented as a way of balancing out Recon Satellites.
Range
Without this trait, there is no limit to how far away (in jumps) a player can be and still receive information. Implementing a range limit and an additional skill could further balance out Recon Satellites.
- Signal Amplification
By default, each satellite has a "0 jump relay distance", meaning the player must be in the satellite's system location to receive its information. With each skill level of Signal Amplification that distance by 1 jump. At level 1, a player can be 1 jump away and receive information from the satellite, while at level 5 a player can be 5 jumps away.
Detection
Without this trait, Recon Satellites can detect objects without a problem. There is no failure in detection. Implementing a Detection level and an additional skill could further balance out Recon Satellites.
- Satellite Sensitivity
Each satellite has a baseline 50% chance of picking up an object. Each skill level increases that chance by 10% up to a max chance of 99%. (or 100% ???)
Reliability
Without this trait, Recon Satellites can detect what an object IS without problems. Implementing Reliability can further balance Recon Satellites by adding another skill.
- Satellite Resolution
Each satellite has a baseline of 50% ACCURACY on the objects it picks up. Each skill level increases accuracy by 10% and level five it has a max of 99% accuracy?? or 100%? or what about just 90%?
If a satellite fails to precisely decypher what an object is, it will still show that it picks up something, but that object will be titled "Unknown" in the list
Note that while Satellite Sensitivity deals with the chance of detecting an object, Satellite Resolution deals with the accuracy of what that object is exactly. A ship, for example, could be detected, but listed as "Unknown". Increasing Satellite Resolution skill level will increase the chance that the object is correctly identified as "Proteus", for example.
A big concern that arises with this idea is the potential for Recon Satellites to be over-powered. I believe Recon Satellites could be implemeneted in a balanced and useful way by implementing the aforementioned skills and satellite characteristics.
Recon Satellites are not tools you can "fire & forget", nor should they be easy to train in to or difficult to destroy. With their required maintenence and vulnerability, these satellites would require an attentive player to maintain. The benefits of investing in Recon Satellites should outweight the responsibilities by providing them with the invaluable ability of tracking systems remotely.
Skills, numbers, amounts, etc should be tweaked/changed appropriately to encourage balance. All numbers are "first draft" ideas. |
Syrias Bizniz
Zebra Corp
The Bastion
347
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Posted - 2014.10.10 21:22:00 -
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While i like the idea of getting intel from other systems via modules or deployables (Camera Drones for example), your suggested Recon-Satelites are a bit over the top in my opinion.
Basically, as long as there is a recon satelite in space, you can never be sure whether you're being observed or not. Getting a D-Scan and/or Local just by having dropped this thing somewhere is way over the top.
Just by having a few alts i would be able to gather intel across potentially several dozen systems while sitting in safety. Whenever *something* enters, 10 jumps out, I would KNOW he is coming long before he knows he's getting watched.
I could see what ship is coming, or what ships, i could see who it is and how many friends he has, i could see his front scout, his back scout, his ogb, everything. And all THEY could do about it is waste tons of time in sending a prober ahead to slowly scan and chew through every recon satellite they can find before jumping in.
Because if they don't do it they could also just cynobridge onto the staging undock and start selfdestructing.
What i would really, really like is having 'Camera Probes' that give you VISUAL of the grid they are on. No local, no dscan, maybe a shortened overview.
Launchable from every Core & Combat Probe Launcher, targetable, and lasting for maybe 15 minutes, or 1 hour, or whatever. |
Vadeim Rizen
Origin.
Black Legion.
90
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Posted - 2014.10.10 21:30:00 -
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No, there is already enough free intel in this game.
What you really want is a "risk free rat/mining" deployable. |
Netan MalDoran
xXTheWarhammerXx
94
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Posted - 2014.10.11 00:22:00 -
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I like the idea being someone with a single account. There is a trade off in quality of info that you get with paying for alts in comparison to using this system with a single player. I don't feel that it is OP.
"Your security status has been lowered." - Hell yeah it was! |
Jack Carrigan
Order of the Shadow
The Revenant Order
2318
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Posted - 2014.10.11 00:27:00 -
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As if there isn't enough random bull**** anchored in space. Enough is enough.
"War is not measured in terms of who wins or loses, who is right or wrong.-á It is measured in terms of who survives"-á |
Kye Roletto
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
4
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Posted - 2014.10.11 01:22:00 -
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Thanks for the constructive input. But as i stated, to balance it out you could implement the aforementioned skills as well.
With a few alts you'd have 20 max satellites out there, not several dozen. Plus, you could only see five jumps away if your skill is maxed, not ten. As i said they can be scanned down and appear in your DScan, so you wouldn't be clueless about their presence.
I agree i think it should be limited in some way. But I've laid the groundwork for issues. |
Christopher Mabata
Dominion Tenebrarum
Reverberation Project
301
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Posted - 2014.10.11 07:35:00 -
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This sounds like the system scanners of old sort of, and there was a good reason those got effectively removed
I would rather not see the game take that direction again, so -1
TLDR - no
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James Nikolas Tesla
The True Patriots of New Eden
178
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Posted - 2014.10.11 08:02:00 -
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Kye Roletto wrote:Recon Satellites
Recon Satellites provide the player with their own personal "Local" and "D-scan" for a remote system. Careful consideration was taken for the potential of these being OP. Appropriately configured skills, satellite characteristics, and/or long training times could balance out the power of Recon Satellites.
Recon Satellite Profile
>Anchored/Launched anywhere in K-space
>Requires periodical maintenence for continued use - Must physically visit each satellite and "Recalibrate" it (How about needing fuel instead of maintenance?)
>Provides the user with a personal "Local/D-Scan" profile of a remote system Instead, have just a list of what objects are in the system at the moment you hit 'scan'
>Can be scanned down
>Can be destroyed
Skills
Satellite Operation
Main skill. Lvl 1 enables player to use 1 satellite, up to a max of five sats at Lvl 5 This is questionable, probably should be removed
Satellite Optimization
Each level cuts down maintence frequency. Daily maintenence baseline, and each skill level increases it 1-4 days?? Cut this skill out
Satellite Tuning
Each level reduces time delay from 30 minutes ago, to 1 minute ago at level 5
Satellite Programming
Each level enables a new tier of information the satellite can relay, starting with:
Level 1 - Orbital Bodies / Structures / POSs / some celestial objects Only planets, moons, belts, stars, POCO's, and stations. Level 2 - Drones / Probes / Wrecks POSes only Level 3 - Anomalies (green ones) NPC ships, etc Level 4 - Cosmic Sigatures (red ones) Player drones and probes. Level 5 - Ships (no player names) Non-cloaked player ships
If Recon Satellites are too over powered, then the following characteristics can be added. One, two, or all three of them can be implemented as a way of balancing out Recon Satellites.
Range
Without this trait, there is no limit to how far away (in jumps) a player can be and still receive information. Implementing a range limit and an additional skill could further balance out Recon Satellites.
- Signal Amplification
By default, each satellite has a "0 jump relay distance", meaning the player must be in the satellite's system location to receive its information. With each skill level of Signal Amplification that distance by 1 jump. At level 1, a player can be 1 jump away and receive information from the satellite, while at level 5 a player can be 5 jumps away. If you're farther out than that then you cannot receive information from that satellite. Have one jump as default and the skill max out at 6 jumps
Detection
Without this trait, Recon Satellites can detect objects without a problem. There is no failure in detection. Implementing a Detection level and an additional skill could further balance out Recon Satellites.
- Satellite Sensitivity
Each satellite has a baseline 50% chance of picking up an object. Each skill level increases that chance by 10% up to a max chance of 99%. (or 100% ???)
Reliability
Without this trait, Recon Satellites can detect what an object IS without problems. Implementing Reliability can further balance Recon Satellites by adding another skill.
- Satellite Resolution
Each satellite has a baseline of 50% ACCURACY on the objects it picks up. Each skill level increases accuracy by 10% and level five it has a max of 99% accuracy?? or 100%? or what about just 90%?
If a satellite fails to precisely decypher what an object is, it will still show that it picks up something, but that object will be titled "Unknown" in the list
Note that while Satellite Sensitivity deals with the chance of detecting an object, Satellite Resolution deals with the accuracy of what that object is exactly. A ship, for example, could be detected, but listed as "Unknown". Increasing Satellite Resolution skill level will increase the chance that the object is correctly identified as "Proteus", for example.
A big concern that arises with this idea is the potential for Recon Satellites to be over-powered. I believe Recon Satellites could be implemeneted in a balanced and useful way by implementing the aforementioned skills and satellite characteristics.
Recon Satellites are not tools you can "fire & forget", nor should they be easy to train in to or difficult to destroy. With their required maintenence and vulnerability, these satellites would require an attentive player to maintain. The benefits of investing in Recon Satellites should outweight the responsibilities by providing them with the invaluable ability of tracking systems remotely.
Skills, numbers, amounts, etc should be tweaked/changed appropriately to encourage balance. All numbers are "first draft" ideas.
I have made some changes (in bold) to give your idea a fighting chance. I am, however against this idea.
Also, you can only use the satellite while you are in a station.
CODE is just a bunch of pirates; smart, organized pirates. It doesn't help to rage at them because that is exactly what they want. Dust yourself off and get back on your feet, you don't even have to talk to them. |
Alvatore DiMarco
Capricious Endeavours Ltd
2871
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Posted - 2014.10.11 10:27:00 -
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Oh my god. OP just killed nullbear ratting in every nullsec system ever, permanently. This is amazing.
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Kye Roletto
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
4
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Posted - 2014.10.11 18:59:00 -
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James Nikolas Tesla
Good input. I like your suggestions. Originally, I had the idea Fuel Cells or something similar be the "maintenance" requirement, but changed it.
The rest of your suggestions/changes seem like good ideas and good additions.
"Scanning" with your satellite instead of having a continuous report seems better to me. Nice.
Without a certain maintenance period, what would be the baseline time? Daily maintenance?
Thanks for input.
Christopher Mabata
I'm relatively new, with my character only having ~3m skill points. Started playing earlier this year. So I'm not familiar with the system scanners of the "old sort". You sound glad they were removed. Were they similar to these deployable, scanning satellites? |
Kaerakh
Surprisingly Deep Hole
Try Rerolling
439
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Posted - 2014.10.11 19:57:00 -
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Because skill barriers are such a good way to prevent proliferation of a tactic/strategy/item.
http://jestertrek.com/eve/blog/2011/drf-supers.jpg
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Kye Roletto
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
4
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Posted - 2014.10.12 03:11:00 -
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Kaerakh
You seem hesitant to give input. Do you have a suggestion? |
Kaerakh
Surprisingly Deep Hole
Try Rerolling
440
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Posted - 2014.10.12 03:44:00 -
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Kye Roletto wrote:Kaerakh
You seem hesitant to give input. Do you have a suggestion?
Not in the slightest. I gave you my input.
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Kye Roletto
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
4
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Posted - 2014.10.12 05:18:00 -
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I don't understand what that picture is of and what your post meant though.
What did that mean? |
Dr Jihad Alhariri
Dr Jihad's Brigade of Interstellar Mujahideen
Corrosive.
10
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Posted - 2014.10.12 10:35:00 -
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-1
Intel is already too damn easy to gather in this game, and the OP's proposed Recon Satellite would make it embarrassingly easier.
Instead, how about we push for changes that actually address the over-abundance of easy intel? Requiring consent from other characters in order to add them to your contact watchlist would be a good start. |
Kaerakh
Surprisingly Deep Hole
Try Rerolling
445
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Posted - 2014.10.12 13:53:00 -
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Kye Roletto wrote:I don't understand what that picture is of and what your post meant though.
What did that mean?
It's a picture of a blob of super capitals.
Super carriers require a minimum(just to sit in, not even talking about competently flying) of 10 LV skills to fly.
Titans require a minimum of 9 LV skills to fly.
And this does not include any of the support skills and module skills for said ships that also more often than not require LV of multiple other skills.
So, what is my point that I so obviously made? That skill barriers are ineffective. Nullsec is the perfect example of this, people measure a nullsec corp/alliance/coalition's epeen value by how many supers they have.
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Angeal MacNova
LankTech
220
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Posted - 2014.10.12 16:27:00 -
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Vadeim Rizen wrote:
What you really want is a "risk free rat/mining" deployable.
It already exists. It's called using cloaked alts.
Benefits:
Instant intel (no delay)
Can not be scanned down and destroyed
No need to rely on others
Drawback:
Have to sub additional accounts |
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