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Fluffi Flaffi
Royal Amarr Institute
Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2014.10.17 12:25:00 -
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dirtydebbs wrote:What will happan to the escalation sites will we have to run from one end of Eve to another or be given bookmarks for other whs to complete ?
not sure if serious 
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dirtydebbs
the wreking crew
18
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Posted - 2014.10.17 13:18:00 -
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What I mean is there is or used to be one of them that had the petential to escolate so how's that going to work with the new mechanics of max 2-10 jumps in wh space ?
Is it going to be finished in wh space or in k-space ?
And ure link Leeds to the mass based spawn so nope not there |
Marox Calendale
Human League
32
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Posted - 2014.10.17 14:13:00 -
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corbexx wrote:...sorry been super busy doing the pos research ...
What do you mean by "pos Research"? Those Invention and reverse Engineering changes with phoebe or are they really working on a pos revamp???? |
Pro TIps
Imperial Academy
Amarr Empire
63
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Posted - 2014.10.17 14:43:00 -
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corbexx wrote:yeah its confirmed they are totally independant.
Excellent, thanks! |
Shilalasar
Dead Sky Inc.
129
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Posted - 2014.10.17 14:44:00 -
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dirtydebbs wrote:What I mean is there is or used to be one of them that had the petential to escolate so how's that going to work with the new mechanics of max 2-10 jumps in wh space ?
Is it going to be finished in wh space or in k-space ?
I think none of the nullsec radar/mags escalate, not even the drugsites which still have rats in them. Wormholes will most likely only get the hack 5-10 containers sites.
Overall I do not think this addition is really helpful. It may be a little bonusincome, but unless you are really lucky with a towerblueprint it is very little. Also to clear them you need the modules fitted, taking away your tackle or some scanmods. Noone is going to do that unless he is looking for these sites or they are in his homesystem.
And why would you do this kind of exploration in a wormhole and not normal nullsec?
Right now you can run all sites in an entire region within one hour, two tops. No need to scan gates down, so you are way faster. Also you never run out of sites since respawns.
Only other people with probelaunchers out there are fleetscouts/-hunters or other explorers while in wormholespace everybody has one and most likely even has the site bookmarked from an earlier visit. And there is the no local thing.
Overall good thing CCP tries to do something good for j-space, but the "if it works in k-space it should work the same in here" approach is annoying. |
Pro TIps
Imperial Academy
Amarr Empire
63
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Posted - 2014.10.17 15:00:00 -
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Shilalasar wrote:Overall good thing CCP tries to do something good for j-space, but the "if it works in k-space it should work the same in here" approach is annoying.
I agree this is not the more PvE content many of us have hoped for, but it doesn't seem like it will hurt anything.
Your point about carrying the relic/data modules is understood but if you can fit a Mobile Depot in your hold, this won't cause you any serious difficulty. If you can't, make a friend (or alt.) Or just don't do the sites.
Even if you never take advantage of these new site spawns, others might. If they do, you can shoot them. |
dirtydebbs
the wreking crew
18
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Posted - 2014.10.17 18:11:00 -
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It has been a while since I have run a data relic site outside of wh space but I'm sure there was a drone data/relic site that escolated, if that's the case then I stand corrected thank you for clearing it up for me 
Busy as u said it is great that they are trying to do something for lower end wh space but fully agree with ure statement that if it works on k-space itl work in wh space is not really the case, but like they stayed its a tip toe in the water so if it seems to work then it could possibly leed to wh spaces very own faction types Wich is good in the long run,
Only problem I'm seeing is that there will be a very slight inverse in noobs coming into wh space to run them the finding locals tanking them then they won't return again and just stay in k-space,
Maybe if they added gates to them and with the same idea of fw sites and have a no cloaking within the grid, this still meen non spacial aware people getting killed but if your on the ball you can gtfo possibility might help keep new guys stay in wh space.
Only thing Im confused about is what's they giving to c4 space to help them ? |
Alundil
Isogen 5
720
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Posted - 2014.10.17 19:21:00 -
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dirtydebbs wrote:Maybe if they added gates to them and with the same idea of fw sites and have a no cloaking within the grid
Did you just seriously suggest activation gates and cloak restrictions in wspace?
I'm right behind you |
umnikar
Fishbone Industries
48
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Posted - 2014.10.17 21:12:00 -
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Pro TIps wrote:Shilalasar wrote:Overall good thing CCP tries to do something good for j-space, but the "if it works in k-space it should work the same in here" approach is annoying. I agree this is not the more PvE content many of us have hoped for, but it doesn't seem like it will hurt anything.
More and more scanning hurts pretty much, unless you have some scan clowns invited to your corp and giving out medals for that boring stuff ;D
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dirtydebbs
the wreking crew
18
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Posted - 2014.10.17 21:43:00 -
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Alundil wrote:dirtydebbs wrote:Maybe if they added gates to them and with the same idea of fw sites and have a no cloaking within the grid Did you just seriously suggest activation gates and cloak restrictions in wspace?
Yes I did put it this way I'm all up for shooting the little guy but see it from this point of view
Wh space needs more love and more content ie people, intising in more players to run these sites and then just blasting them out of the sky cos they Don't understand or have up untill now to worryd to come in to wh space is going to do what make them come back ? We're talking lower class wh space here c1-3 beginner wh systems c4 up hell no but defo lower class whs who have more chances of being connected to a K-space.
Yeh the idea sound like wtf need to lay off the weed but giving the little guy enough rope to hang him self is better than just blasting them out of the system, if the guy is hooked into the mini game ure going to catch him if he's not then he escapes that guy might risk it more, if theat guy learns and then gets used to it he might just get to love wh space and then make a habit of living or getting friends in.
Long run more content in wh space becouse more people are in wh space.
For the record it doesn't sit very well with me either but we need to think of getting more people in wh space cos at the moment I'm getting bored of empty 15+ chains.
On a side note corb what's the chances of ccp releasing some before and after Data on activeity in wh space from the last 2months ? |
Alundil
Isogen 5
720
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Posted - 2014.10.17 22:01:00 -
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umnikar wrote:Pro TIps wrote:Shilalasar wrote:Overall good thing CCP tries to do something good for j-space, but the "if it works in k-space it should work the same in here" approach is annoying. I agree this is not the more PvE content many of us have hoped for, but it doesn't seem like it will hurt anything. More and more scanning hurts pretty much, unless you have some scan clowns invited to your corp and giving out medals for that boring stuff ;D
I disagree. Scanning is an integral part of wspace (obvious is obvious). Adding additional content that needs to be scanned out is, imo, a good thing. Those who are interested in that content will scan for it and run it. Those who are not interested in that content will not run it. In either case, people who live in wspace successfully must scan their systems and those they traverse. Failure to do so is folly. Besides, scanning has gotten progressively easier as time goes on and it's fairly trivial to identify and then ignore unwanted or uninteresting sites already.
I'm right behind you |
Pro TIps
Imperial Academy
Amarr Empire
65
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Posted - 2014.10.18 04:55:00 -
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umnikar wrote:More and more scanning hurts pretty much, unless you have some scan clowns invited to your corp and giving out medals for that boring stuff ;D
If so many sites spawn that it has an appreciable effect on how long it takes to scan systems then at least there will be plenty of (whatever loot drops from the sites) to fatten our wallets or give us something different to do. This is okay with me. |
umnikar
Fishbone Industries
48
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Posted - 2014.10.18 17:41:00 -
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Alundil wrote:umnikar wrote:Pro TIps wrote:Shilalasar wrote:Overall good thing CCP tries to do something good for j-space, but the "if it works in k-space it should work the same in here" approach is annoying. I agree this is not the more PvE content many of us have hoped for, but it doesn't seem like it will hurt anything. More and more scanning hurts pretty much, unless you have some scan clowns invited to your corp and giving out medals for that boring stuff ;D I disagree. Scanning is an integral part of wspace (obvious is obvious). Adding additional content that needs to be scanned out is, imo, a good thing. Those who are interested in that content will scan for it and run it. Those who are not interested in that content will not run it. In either case, people who live in wspace successfully must scan their systems and those they traverse. Failure to do so is folly. Besides, scanning has gotten progressively easier as time goes on and it's fairly trivial to identify and then ignore unwanted or uninteresting sites already.
Meh...we are talking about content imported from null where it is much more effective to run those - less unwanted stuff to scan while being in the right ship/fit and watching local while busy with that creepy game. Don't think you hit dscan while hacking, do you?
If the sites do not pay out double in wh space they are useless imho. |
Alundil
Isogen 5
724
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Posted - 2014.10.18 17:59:00 -
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umnikar wrote:Alundil wrote:umnikar wrote:Pro TIps wrote:Shilalasar wrote:Overall good thing CCP tries to do something good for j-space, but the "if it works in k-space it should work the same in here" approach is annoying. I agree this is not the more PvE content many of us have hoped for, but it doesn't seem like it will hurt anything. More and more scanning hurts pretty much, unless you have some scan clowns invited to your corp and giving out medals for that boring stuff ;D I disagree. Scanning is an integral part of wspace (obvious is obvious). Adding additional content that needs to be scanned out is, imo, a good thing. Those who are interested in that content will scan for it and run it. Those who are not interested in that content will not run it. In either case, people who live in wspace successfully must scan their systems and those they traverse. Failure to do so is folly. Besides, scanning has gotten progressively easier as time goes on and it's fairly trivial to identify and then ignore unwanted or uninteresting sites already. Meh...we are talking about content imported from null where it is much more effective to run those - less unwanted stuff to scan while being in the right ship/fit and watching local while busy with that creepy game. Don't think you hit dscan while hacking, do you? If the sites do not pay out double in wh space they are useless imho.
I absolutely continue to dscan while hacking. Never not dscan. I dscan in kspace even (habit). Failure to maintain situational awareness (read dscan) in wspace means you die and that is working as intended.
I'm right behind you |
MooMooDachshundCow
Incertae Sedis
95
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Posted - 2014.10.18 18:03:00 -
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umnikar wrote:Alundil wrote:umnikar wrote:Pro TIps wrote:Shilalasar wrote:Overall good thing CCP tries to do something good for j-space, but the "if it works in k-space it should work the same in here" approach is annoying. I agree this is not the more PvE content many of us have hoped for, but it doesn't seem like it will hurt anything. More and more scanning hurts pretty much, unless you have some scan clowns invited to your corp and giving out medals for that boring stuff ;D I disagree. Scanning is an integral part of wspace (obvious is obvious). Adding additional content that needs to be scanned out is, imo, a good thing. Those who are interested in that content will scan for it and run it. Those who are not interested in that content will not run it. In either case, people who live in wspace successfully must scan their systems and those they traverse. Failure to do so is folly. Besides, scanning has gotten progressively easier as time goes on and it's fairly trivial to identify and then ignore unwanted or uninteresting sites already. Meh...we are talking about content imported from null where it is much more effective to run those - less unwanted stuff to scan while being in the right ship/fit and watching local while busy with that creepy game. Don't think you hit dscan while hacking, do you? If the sites do not pay out double in wh space they are useless imho.
Damn, so entitled.
I'm hoping that this change means that null explorers actually jump a WH when they scan it down now instead of just leaving it. This has the added benefit of giving WH entities more null connections.
I don't think we need doubled drops in WH space. Sure, having them payout a bit more since there's no local would be nice, but the fact is that they spawn based on security status and all WH space is -1.0. I assume this will mean that WH data/relic sites will tend more towards the high-end which will effectively bump up the payouts naturally. Add to that the increased faction drops and you're probably looking at a moderately-lucrative low-investment plan. Quite enticing for the newbie just starting to explore, while perhaps lucrative enough to encourage a few vets to come back with a cargo scanner "just in case" there's a faction tower.
Anyway, it's gonna mean more activity in C1-3 space, which is good. Sure, it'll be mostly covops and such, but maybe some idiot will run them in a proteus or something? We'll see.
Yeah, well, it's just like my-áopinion, man. |
Pro TIps
Imperial Academy
Amarr Empire
65
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Posted - 2014.10.18 20:00:00 -
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umnikar wrote:Don't think you hit dscan while hacking, do you?
If the sites do not pay out double in wh space they are useless imho.
Make a friend. Ask the friend to spam Dscan while you hack the containers.
If you want maximum safety while soloing PvE content to make ISK, I suggest that W-space might not be the best space for you. I mean, I'm not some Rambo PvP badass; but your complaint is ridiculous. |
umnikar
Fishbone Industries
48
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Posted - 2014.10.18 20:40:00 -
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Pro TIps wrote:umnikar wrote:Don't think you hit dscan while hacking, do you?
If the sites do not pay out double in wh space they are useless imho. Make a friend. Ask the friend to spam Dscan while you hack the containers. If you want maximum safety while soloing PvE content to make ISK, I suggest that W-space might not be the best space for you. I mean, I'm not some Rambo PvP badass; but your complaint is ridiculous.
Im doing poco bash while watching tv this evening, did sites in an open c4 ... thats not the point.
I do go out to null for hacking sometimes and I don't see any point to do that in wh space if there isn't anything "special" too get from, because in null it*s so easy.
But let's wait and see what we get. |
Trinkets friend
Sudden Buggery
1722
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Posted - 2014.10.18 23:06:00 -
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MooMooDachshundCow wrote:
Anyway, it's gonna mean more activity in C1-3 space, which is good. Sure, it'll be mostly covops and such, but maybe some idiot will run them in a proteus or something? We'll see.
I will farm cloaks, data and relic analysers and various other wormhole loot drops in my Proteus.
J's before K's.
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epicurus ataraxia
Z3R0 Return Mining Inc.
Illusion of Solitude
1305
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Posted - 2014.10.18 23:14:00 -
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Trinkets friend wrote:MooMooDachshundCow wrote:
Anyway, it's gonna mean more activity in C1-3 space, which is good. Sure, it'll be mostly covops and such, but maybe some idiot will run them in a proteus or something? We'll see.
I will farm cloaks, data and relic analysers and various other wormhole loot drops in my Proteus.
Best way to analyse relics is the loot all button
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