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Saberlily Whyteshadow
Perkone Caldari State
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Posted - 2014.10.13 04:06:00 -
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Well fist off I would like to change the thread title to Dwarf star systems, since using Dead Star is the wrong term and causing confusion. But I'm no forum expert so im not sure how to go about this..
I'm still pitching this idea because no matter what system you jump into in EVE be it W-space, Null, Low, or High; all the systems will be "Day" setting. Currently we cant get a "Night" setting because you can always see the sun, even if you're in the shadow next to a planet. Only way to get "night" in space is to turn off the sun. Problem to this is it might be easier said than done.
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ShahFluffers
Ice Fire Warriors Late Night Alliance
6330
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Posted - 2014.10.13 04:13:00 -
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Saberlily Whyteshadow wrote:Well fist off I would like to change the thread title to Dwarf star systems, since using Dead Star is the wrong term and causing confusion. But I'm no forum expert so im not sure how to go about this. Just edit your first post and change the title. Change isn't bad, but it isn't always good. Sometimes, the oldest and most simple of things can be the most elegant and effective.
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Kaerakh
Surprisingly Deep Hole Try Rerolling
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Posted - 2014.10.13 05:01:00 -
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Nevyn Auscent wrote:Kaerakh wrote: In which case it's not a system if there isn't a star. It's just space.
Also, someone mentioned the binary star system thing being required for gates. I don't think anyone on the development staff has ever taken that bit seriously.
Actually they have. Just the second star is beyond the outer planets by a massive amount, so not put into the game as a physical object. Same as in WH's the secondary star which provides the actual WH effects is just a place holder image. You can't actually warp to the Neutron star or anything. They are still all double star systems including all the WH systems.
I sincerely doubt that that had anything to do with the obscure binary system star gate lore bit as that's some pretty thin ice. Considering a large portion of those are without an effect and there's still 5,500 or so other systems to consider that don't have an additional star. I think it's pretty clear that it's just a happy coincidence that all the dual star effects are present for your point.
On an additional note I'm well aware that the effects are represented by glorified skybox art. And since you seem to be in a combative mood I'll ask you what lore says I can't warp my ship straight into a neutron star if I found one?(putting aside that it's incredibly daft). Schrodinger's Hot Dropper - The Fate of Forum Alts - Click me! Click me! |
Tedd Haggard
Caldari Provisions Caldari State
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Posted - 2014.10.13 06:09:00 -
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Saberlily Whyteshadow wrote:How about some solar systems with a dead star?
Think about it, wouldn't it be cool to "Fly-by instrument" only?? Solar systems with no light except a little glow from the far away nebulas??
This could open the door to "Night Fighting" in the world of EVE..
Regardless of the science or lore, this would not make for interesting gameplay. |
FireFrenzy
Satan's Unicorns
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Posted - 2014.10.13 14:01:00 -
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Hell i started playing eve because i want to LOOK AT AWESOME SPACESHIPS (and cause them to explode) this seems like a collosal step backwards
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Yogsoloth
Percussive Diplomacy
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Posted - 2014.10.13 15:50:00 -
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Oooh... what about black holes that pull in afkers slowly over time. Maybe the need to be going a certain speed so they dont get pulled in or whatever. Maybe be certain distances away to be unaffected. Have them suck in all the crappy abandoned lag causing unused deployables out there too :P |
Phaade
Perimeter Defense Systems Templis CALSF
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Posted - 2014.10.13 15:59:00 -
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Kaerakh wrote:Saberlily Whyteshadow wrote:Kaerakh wrote:Saberlily Whyteshadow wrote:Could not gather any info from the link provided.. other than is a wormhole.. Look harder then. Black Holes, It still has a sun that gives off light.. totally different from that I'm proposing. I'm talking about systems with a dead sun, where it gives off zero light.. You know that makes zero sense, right? Stars give off light. That's why they're called stars. And a 'dead star' is usually referred to as a black hole(for obvious reasons). Also, a black hole is not a 'sun' as it has wholly different characteristics. If you're referring to what happens to a star if it does not collapse into a black hole then usually you're talking about dust clouds. So getting back to my point. We already have dead stars.
Most stars that die do not turn into black holes. And they certainly don't turn into just dust clouds either. Pretty basic astronomy.
+1 to the OP for being in a system with a neutron star / white or black dwarf. |
Kaerakh
Surprisingly Deep Hole Try Rerolling
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Posted - 2014.10.13 17:42:00 -
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Phaade wrote:Kaerakh wrote:Saberlily Whyteshadow wrote:
Black Holes, It still has a sun that gives off light.. totally different from that I'm proposing. I'm talking about systems with a dead sun, where it gives off zero light..
You know that makes zero sense, right? Stars give off light. That's why they're called stars. And a 'dead star' is usually referred to as a black hole(for obvious reasons). Also, a black hole is not a 'sun' as it has wholly different characteristics. If you're referring to what happens to a star if it does not collapse into a black hole then usually you're talking about dust clouds. So getting back to my point. We already have dead stars. Most stars that die do not turn into black holes. And they certainly don't turn into just dust clouds either. Pretty basic astronomy. +1 to the OP for being in a system with a neutron star / white or black dwarf. ... Just... I don't even know where to start.
Ok, so nice job skipping the two pages of discussion explaining and linking to scientific organizations explaining all of this.
You're right most stars don't turn into black holes. Did I even say that? Upon cursory examination of the quoted material we arrive at the conclusion, no I did not! Do stars turn into dust clouds? Well it is a gross over simplification of the process, but what do you even know:
NASA wrote:From the Remains, New Stars Arise The dust and debris left behind by novae and supernovae eventually blend with the surrounding interstellar gas and dust, enriching it with the heavy elements and chemical compounds produced during stellar death. Eventually, those materials are recycled, providing the building blocks for a new generation of stars and accompanying planetary systems.
Well shucks, that 2 seconds of clicking a link and reading tells us, why yes, stars do become clouds of dust. That's how we have other stars and planets.
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Wolf Incaelum
Federal Defense Union Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2014.10.13 18:45:00 -
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Saberlily Whyteshadow wrote:How about some solar systems with a dead star?
Think about it, wouldn't it be cool to "Fly-by instrument" only?? Solar systems with no light except a little glow from the far away nebulas??
This could open the door to "Night Fighting" in the world of EVE..
You could just fly around with your map open. I know it isn't the zero-light effect that you're going for, but it would yield the same results: A complete lack of visual references causing you to have to fly by OV entirely. Besides, flying a spaceship relies very little on visual references anyway.
If you're the captain of a spaceship, you don't have a steering wheel, gas pedal and a brake. You have an officer at a navigation console that monitors vectors, distances, velocities, etc. The navigator calculates coordinates, specified by the captain, and sends an order to engineering, where the engineers do what they need to do to with the propulsion system to make the ship move to the designated coordinates. The closest thing to "driving the ship" that would be done from the bridge would be the helmsman using maneuvering thrusters for things like docking and undocking (which is all done automatically anyway). Granted, we don't actually have ship crews in Eve. Everything is controlled by one person who is encased in a capsule full of goo, but the processes are all the same.
That being said, making a system that is pitch black would be kind of...boring. It would basically be as if you had turned your monitor off, only you would still be able to see your neocom, OV, chat windows, action window, and the light emitted by thrusters. Other than that, it would just be a black screen.
The deer can get it right. What's YOUR problem? |
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