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Bronya Boga
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Posted - 2014.10.14 11:54:00 -
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Papa Django wrote:
From the POV of a small wh corp CEO trying to build a wh corp in low class wh, it is ... So ******* hard.
No its not. We worked hard to grow from a 6 man corp to a 20+ one. More work + more exposure = growth
Papa Django wrote:
Reasons are well known :
1- risk vs reward balance is bad in low class
2- Hyperion release is a disaster for small corp
3- Nothing can be done solo
4- Skills needed for pilot (T3 mandatory)
5- Skills & knowledge needed for the player (lots of things to know)
1. Agreed
2. No it didn't. Its an illusion. Stop regurgitating this misconception.
3. Also a lie. Check J110706.
4. T3 arent mendatory. Thats an old standard.
5. A week tops is what needed to know the basics
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Bronya Boga
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Posted - 2014.10.14 13:07:00 -
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Papa Django wrote:
It is a disaster. We have lost the ability to roll quickly connexions. It is too time consuming now.
Controlling the environement is a core basic in wormhole exploitation.
30 seconds is too long for you?
Papa Django wrote:
What can i check instead of the kb with your system name ?
Not my system but a solo astero stayed there for a few days solo got a bunch of kills. Or maybe you never seen Baby Dadys work. Go to the youtube channel Deciple of Bob. You will see A lot of solo in whs.
Papa Django wrote:
They are. We try to play with low skilled pilots in BC and it is a pain. We do it anyway because we want to bring more people in wspace, especially new players, but it is hard.
Its easy I dont understand why its hard for you.
Papa Django wrote:
I don't know what you put under the basics but to train an autonomous wormhole player it takes months.
Explain polarity = 10 minutes
Explain mass and time = 20 minutes
Explain proper scouting = 30 minutes.
BOOM. done. jesus christ well you look at that 60 minutes to teach the basics. Take the rest of the 167 hours and get a bit better about it.
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Bronya Boga
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Posted - 2014.10.14 13:10:00 -
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Aladar Dangerface wrote:Papa Django wrote:[quote=Bronya Boga]
2. No it didn't. Its an illusion. Stop regurgitating this misconception.
It is a disaster. We have lost the ability to roll quickly connexions. It is too time consuming now. Controlling the environement is a core basic in wormhole exploitation. [quote=Bronya Boga] It is not that time consuming compared to pre-Hyperion. Make a spot 200 off the other side of the hole, jump cap, web it to 200 and web it back. The risk is not substantially greater than before if u are on the ball and it adds another couple of minutes on to the time it used to take. I think it's more the mentality that since it's not 100% safe it shouldn't be done. And if that's ur thinking then u don't belong in wh space anyway. Post looks a little ****** but I'm on my phone so suck it.
Its faster to just slowboat the dred.
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Bronya Boga
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Posted - 2014.10.14 15:21:00 -
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1. No im not trolling should take you longer then 60 seconds. If it does figure it out.
2. How else do you define solo? I dont understand.
3.drakes can run solo c3 anoms. It is known. Besides the fact that if you are in wormholes and think you deserve to make money easily solo you will leave disappointed. Whs encourage team play. Embrace that ****.
Alright for this one try to keep up
Static is your constant connection every wh will have no matter what. It always goes to the same type of space. C1 and c3 have 1 kspace static, c2 have two statics one to wspace one to kspace, c4 has 2 wspace statics and c5/6 have 1 wspace static. Use siggy(w/e) to look what they are until you memorize them.
Take pvp overview add wormholes and scan probes. Done.
Explaining divisional access takes 5 minutes no more.
Link fit in corp. Done.
Practice.
Open siggy. make homepage. Dont close.
Learn dscan which isnt an exclusive skill nedded to wspace so lets not count it.
Teach proper scouting (told ya before 30 minutes)
Aggro timer dont matter. Polarity. Most likely will brawl.
Scout ahead of time. Dont be stupid. Dscan. Dont afk.
Math is easy. See calculator for details.
How long did that take you to read that? See its fast not months. This was fun give me more :)
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Bronya Boga
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Posted - 2014.10.14 16:58:00 -
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Papa Django wrote:Marox Calendale wrote:Papa Django wrote:[quote=Bronya Boga]
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BC cant tank sleepers BS for example. The last waves in C3 data/relic are dangerous without a properly remote setup.
BC are ok for combat ano in C1 to C3.
... Try C4 Sites with Nagas. Take a Fleet with 2 Basilisk and 1 or 2 HAM Tengus for the frigates and at least a Minimum of 5 or 6 Nagas. We used to do C4 Sites in that configuration in about 4 - 7 Minutes each. Thx for the tips, let me give you one. With 20 bombers you can clean a wave in 10 sec (the bomb flight time). Usefull huh ?  @Bronya Boga Ok you close a hole in 60 sec, you are my new hero.
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Bronya Boga
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Posted - 2014.10.15 15:05:00 -
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Random Yotosala wrote:Kirasten wrote:Papa Django wrote:Mister Tuggles wrote:
And to people saying you risk losing everything if you get sieged... This isn't really a problem now. I know a few of the large c5/6 corps still attack each other (ADHOC losing their entire system recently), but for the most part no one is going to waste their time attacking anything under a c5. You have no real risk in that department.
I have seen / been commited in 5 evictions attempt in wh <=C4 in 4 or 5 months. It happens ... From the POV of a small wh corp CEO trying to build a wh corp in low class wh, it is ... So ******* hard. Reasons are well known : 1- risk vs reward balance is bad in low class 2- Hyperion release is a disaster for small corp 3- Nothing can be done solo 4- Skills needed for pilot (T3 mandatory) 5- Skills & knowledge needed for the player (lots of things to know) ( EDIT : And i forgot the discipline needed, lots of player can't bear that) Reasons 1, 2 and 3 could be fixed by CCP. Reasons 4 et 5 are just nice as it is. If you want more people in low class wh, up the blue loots reward and remove Hyperion (mass based jump distance especially). It is the only way. A lot of this is just craziness. I was drug into a c2 before I had even finished the training missions and into a c5 before I could t2 fit the rattlesnakes we use to use for sites. I didn't even know how to play eve. I learned to play eve in a wormhole. So telling people its hard is bollocks. Like most people, I don't like the mass mechanic added in Hyperion, but acting like its so much extra work is just lies. In those low class systems you are talking about, what is the size of the hole? A 1 bil hole takes 2 orcas to slowboat back .. what is that, 15 seconds? So, you've been living in a big corp that does the closing for you. I hope you understand that it's not the case for the small corps. PS: Orcas cost money and time.
<- Small corp. Still roll with orcas. It takes 15 seconds. Quit exaggerating
Also if you cant afford an orca you are doing wormholes wrong
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Bronya Boga
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Posted - 2014.10.15 19:24:00 -
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Obil Que wrote:Alundil wrote:Papa Django wrote:Bronya Boga wrote:
<- Small corp. Still roll with orcas. It takes 15 seconds. Quit exaggerating
Also if you cant afford an orca you are doing wormholes wrong
A corp able to roll a 2bil mass connexion in 15 sec is not a small corp. It needs 4 orca and 4 orca pilot to do that, (And it takes closer to a few mins then 15 secs) and i don't count scout and ECM support. Stop writing garbage things plz. Nope. If you can't figure this out with some combo of orca plus battleships and don't have a few pilots/alts who can swap hulls them I'm sorry. But it doesn't take 4 orcas and 4 orca pilots. 1 orca, perhaps 2, and some battleships is all it takes. You should investigate further options provided by mass calc and battleship capable pilots before claiming it can only be done by 4 orcas. In the meantime please let us know where you roll with 4 orcas and we can come offer tips and advice. That is all. The minimum bodies you need without introducing polarization delay of 5 minutes is 4 pilots, three who are Orca capable plus 1 Orca and 1 Battleship and it takes longer than 15 seconds. You need to make a total of 3 Orca transits + 1 battleship transit in tandem with 1 of those Orca transits. That's 4 pilots. Pilot 1: Orca in and back (now with some minor slowboating on the other side due to jump distances) - Now polarized Pilot 2: Jumps into Orca makes transit (again with some slowboating and session changes) - Now polarized Pilot 3: Jumps into Orca and with Pilot 4 in a Battleship, close the hole. - Both polarized on the return This isn't at all a "large corp" operation (though your Orca is at a decent level of risk for probably 3 minutes or so while you do this). It isn't, however, a 15 second exercise when using 1 Orca. If you did have 3 Orca pilots and 1 Battleship, you can do it very quickly but as that was pointed out, is also a "weathier" corp option. Size really isn't the factor here.
Let me clear this the **** up. We have 1 bil static (2 orcas back and forth) ill time my orca next time for travel time. 2 bil holes are a bit trickier but it hasnt gotten much worse then prehyperion. Still 2 bil hole. Still require the same ships. Still the same risk.just takes 15 seconds longer to burn the orca back to the hole. HTFU
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Bronya Boga
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Posted - 2014.10.22 15:10:48 -
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Greg Inglis wrote:super high risk. unbelievably low reward.
Can you define super high risk?
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Bronya Boga
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Posted - 2014.10.22 15:43:06 -
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350125GO wrote:Bronya Boga wrote:Greg Inglis wrote:super high risk. unbelievably low reward. Can you define super high risk? I think it means he's likely to lose his Drake.
You can lose your drake in wspace? Thats not what I signed up for.
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Bronya Boga
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Posted - 2014.10.22 20:00:35 -
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Malcaz wrote:I looked into joining a w-space corp for a while, but all the paranoia puts me off. Eve is a game that I play for fun, and that makes it not fun to me. Also, it is hard to even find a decent w-space corp that is openly recruiting, probably for that reason.
There are tons of wspace corps that recruite quite easily. Tbh if by paranoia you mean full api checks and divisional access then your fears are those are things all good corps do for the security of its members
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Bronya Boga
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Posted - 2014.10.22 21:21:39 -
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Malcaz wrote:Bronya Boga wrote:Malcaz wrote:I looked into joining a w-space corp for a while, but all the paranoia puts me off. Eve is a game that I play for fun, and that makes it not fun to me. Also, it is hard to even find a decent w-space corp that is openly recruiting, probably for that reason. There are tons of wspace corps that recruite quite easily. Tbh if by paranoia you mean full api checks and divisional access then your fears are those are things all good corps do for the security of its members Not that, it's the general attitude of paranoia. It's not enjoyable. Not many good ones. And mostly for lower tier wormholes.
Im confused did you play with truly paranoid people? We always joke about it but full disclosure we aint all like that ahaha its just a spaceship game and wspace lets us truly experience it like we think this game should be
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