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Xary
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Posted - 2006.08.15 12:41:00 -
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What are the benefits of training and spending more isk for a Ishtar over just fully equipping a Dominix? Basically I just have left training Gal Cruiser from 4 to 5 so I qualify for a HAC so really interested in which to worry about more.
This would be for PvP.
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Garramon
Gallente
Sturmgrenadier Inc
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Posted - 2006.08.15 12:54:00 -
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Speed/Agility
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Midnighter
Minmatar
Liberal Trading Co
Electus Matari
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Posted - 2006.08.15 12:57:00 -
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The Ishtar is smaller so is prone to taking less damage from larger ships. It is also gifted with its resist bonuses, so can field a really great tank on top of that.
Add in the better speed and agility and maneuverability, with a still deadly damage potential from guns+drones and you ahve a very mean ship that has a lot of survivability.
The Dominix is still devastating, and 1 on 1 my money is on the Dominix (standard nos/ecm pvp setup), but this ship is just so versatile and great alone or in a pack.
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jamesw
Omniscient Order
Verisum Family
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Posted - 2006.08.15 13:27:00 -
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Edited by: jamesw on 15/08/2006 13:27:31
Speed + agility is spot on - the Ishtar makes a great hunter/killer ship - whether solo or in groups. It can get in and out of fights quickly, and run if its outnumbered or outgunned. With the same drone dps as a Dominix it packs the firepower to take down most battleships. In short its a great "npc hunter" hunter.
For real fights, I prefer the Dominix. It has the extra hitpoints, cap, and damage output to be really useful, and can stay in fights for quite some time under fire - a situation where the ishtar would simply (and expensively) blow up.
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Sangxianc
Reikoku
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Posted - 2006.08.15 13:51:00 -
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FawKa
Gallente
Nova Elements
The Phantom Conglomerate
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Posted - 2006.08.15 13:55:00 -
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Dom over ishtar..
maybe its smaller and faster so it takes less hits - but it has no hp compared to the domi. The domi has room for heavy nos - which is the secodary drone weapon afterall. More HP tanked. Quite the same resist can be achived on both of them (as far as I remember) - but the domi still has more hp.
and least but not last - the domi costs 60m the ishtar goes for 200m
- its still more fun to fly an ishtar than a domi tho, just not as much nos pwnage.
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Ujio Noki
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Veritas Immortalis
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Posted - 2006.08.15 14:30:00 -
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 Originally by: Sangxianc
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Benglada
Central Defiance
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Posted - 2006.08.15 14:42:00 -
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Originally by: Ujio Noki
Originally by: Sangxianc
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xenodia
Gallente
Trinity Nova
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Posted - 2006.08.15 16:18:00 -
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Originally by: Xary
What are the benefits of training and spending more isk for a Ishtar over just fully equipping a Dominix? Basically I just have left training Gal Cruiser from 4 to 5 so I qualify for a HAC so really interested in which to worry about more.
This would be for PvP.
1) Speed/Agility - This means more mobility for pvp, and for NPC hunting, you spend less time moving around
2) Higher base resists - With higher base resists, you dont need as many hardeners/reppers to make a viable tank. This more than makes up for the 2 less low slots the ishtar has vs domi.
3) Lower sig radius - you lock things faster, they take longer to lock you, and especially in NPC hunting, bigger ships will have a hard time hitting you. Thats less raw damage coming in, which again factors into tanking.
4) Same damage as domi - like the domi, Ishtar gets the same drone damage bonus, with a big drone bay to take advantage of it.
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Pottsey
Gallente
Dissonance Corp
Interstellar Starbase Syndicate
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Posted - 2006.08.15 16:47:00 -
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Edited by: Pottsey on 15/08/2006 16:48:15
2) Higher base resists - With higher base resists, you dont need as many hardeners/reppers to make a viable tank. This more than makes up for the 2 less low slots the ishtar has vs domi.
I donÆt agree the 2 extra slots give you 76,47,61,61 resistance on the Domi which is better then the Ishatar at 60,10,83,67 with no slots used. The Ishtar could fit 2 resistance boosts but the domi could fit more and still be ahead of the Ishatar on resistance and have just as many free slots. Not only that but the Domi runs x2 large repairers which are much better then an ishtar with mid repairers. So more HP regen and more resistance on the Domi.
4) Same damage as domi - like the domi, Ishtar gets the same drone damage bonus, with a big drone bay to take advantage of it.ö
The domi has way more damage. Sure the drone damage is the same for both but the Domi has the option of fitting 6 mid or 6 large weapons compared to only 3 turrets on the Ishtar.
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Caldari
The Collective
Against ALL Authorities
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Posted - 2006.08.15 17:30:00 -
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Originally by: Benglada
Originally by: Ujio Noki
Originally by: Sangxianc
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Sammiel
Ars Caelestis
Ascendant Frontier
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Posted - 2006.08.15 17:49:00 -
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Originally by: Pottsey
Edited by: Pottsey on 15/08/2006 16:48:15
2) Higher base resists - With higher base resists, you dont need as many hardeners/reppers to make a viable tank. This more than makes up for the 2 less low slots the ishtar has vs domi.
I donÆt agree the 2 extra slots give you 76,47,61,61 resistance on the Domi which is better then the Ishatar at 60,10,83,67 with no slots used. The Ishtar could fit 2 resistance boosts but the domi could fit more and still be ahead of the Ishatar on resistance and have just as many free slots. Not only that but the Domi runs x2 large repairers which are much better then an ishtar with mid repairers. So more HP regen and more resistance on the Domi.
Stacking penalty begins to hit hard at a point. So the built-in resists of a Ishtar help a lot. Though it does have a bit of a harder time running dual reps, and dual meds of course rep less than dual larges.
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Xary
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Posted - 2006.08.15 19:36:00 -
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Thx for all the great responses. I think what i'm concerned with is taking 22 days of training time to put in just so I can fly a 200m isk ship. Where as for 60m isk ship I could put that same 22 days training time for say Drone Interfacing from lvl 4 to 5 although i'm sure that is needed for effective Ish use aswell.
So many choices lol.
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xenodia
Gallente
Trinity Nova
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Posted - 2006.08.15 20:41:00 -
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Having drone interfacing to V is not a requirement for either ship, but its a nice benefit to both.
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Croak
Gallente
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Posted - 2006.08.15 22:55:00 -
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With the money you save not buying an Ishtar, plus insurance issues, you can likely afford to fit your head with a few throw-away low-grade Snakes and velocity/AB hardwires, and that can pretty much solve your speed issues (though not the agility).
For high-sec mission running, you can totally justify a full low-grade Snake set (without Omega) in a Domi, since there's slim chance you'll be podded. And invest that 30+ day HAC training time saved into higher BS and Gunnery skills, making your Domi even more lethal (large hybrids FTW), and capable of trucking along at 550+ M/S in deadspace with a good AB and decent nav skills.
That said, the Ish is a good ship, but it's only a mild change of pace from flying a well-fitted Domi. If it were 100m and better insurable, it'd be a different question.
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