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Catherine Laartii Providence Guard Templis CALSF 317	Posted - 2014.10.14 09:16:00 - [1] - Quote Simple idea here that I think would provide a little more flavor to things: I propose that when weapon tiercide comes around, something that can be done to make faction weapons more 'unique' is to give each faction that uses them special attributes for using faction ammo. Pirate equipment would carry a premium over navy/hisec faction equipment as per the progression with ships and modules. Pirate factions get bonuses to pirate faction ammo used with pirate faction weapons, navy faction ammo gets bonuses with navy faction weapons, etc. Here's what this might look like: -Sansha lasers with sansha ammo get a 15% tracking speed boost -Blood raider lasers with blood ammo get a 15% cap reduction bonus -imp navy lasers with imp navy ammo get a 7.5% bonus to optimal range -ammatar lasers with navy ammo get a 7.5% tracking buff You could pass off the same thing with other factions to a certain degree too: -missiles for cal navy would get a sig reduction bonus -launchers for khanid navy with cal navy ammo would get a speed boost (or just add new faction ammo for them) -missiles for guristas could get a range buff if used with the right launchers See how this could be useful? It'd make each and every type of faction weapon in the game unique and useful, I think.
Catherine Laartii Perkone Caldari State 373	Posted - 2014.10.14 09:16:30 - [2] - Quote Simple idea here that I think would provide a little more flavor to things: I propose that when weapon tiercide comes around, something that can be done to make faction weapons more 'unique' is to give each faction that uses them special attributes for using faction ammo. Pirate equipment would carry a premium over navy/hisec faction equipment as per the progression with ships and modules. Pirate factions get bonuses to pirate faction ammo used with pirate faction weapons, navy faction ammo gets bonuses with navy faction weapons, etc. Here's what this might look like per module: -Sansha lasers with sansha ammo get a 5% tracking speed boost -Blood raider lasers with blood ammo get a 5% cap reduction bonus -imp navy lasers with imp navy ammo get a 2.5% bonus to optimal range -ammatar lasers with navy ammo get a 2.5% tracking buff You could pass off the same thing with other factions to a certain degree too: -missiles for cal navy would get a sig reduction bonus -launchers for khanid navy with cal navy ammo would get a speed boost (or just add new faction ammo for them) -missiles for guristas could get a range buff if used with the right launchers See how this could be interesting? It'd make each and every type of faction weapon in the game unique and useful, I think. Please let me know if there are any specific lore attributes that you think might apply to these that I've gone outside of.
Catherine Laartii Providence Guard Templis CALSF 317	Posted - 2014.10.14 11:03:00 - [3] - Quote NOTE: there is not a stacking penalty for the ammo bonus between weapons. While I would also like to see a significant reduction in the tag amount costs of certain modules and weapons to coincide with this, it wouldn't be necessary or relevant to this to work.
Catherine Laartii Perkone Caldari State 373	Posted - 2014.10.14 11:03:35 - [4] - Quote NOTE: there is not a stacking penalty for the ammo bonus between weapons. While I would also like to see a significant reduction in the tag amount costs of certain modules and weapons to coincide with this, it wouldn't be necessary or relevant to this to work.
Lugh Crow-Slave Guardians of the Morrigan 132	Posted - 2014.10.14 11:11:00 - [5] - Quote I feel this just funnels people down limited firing options
Lugh Crow-Slave 196	Posted - 2014.10.14 11:11:27 - [6] - Quote I feel this just funnels people down limited firing options
Catherine Laartii Providence Guard Templis CALSF 317	Posted - 2014.10.14 11:18:00 - [7] - Quote Lugh Crow-Slave wrote: I feel this just funnels people down limited firing options So does the current setup with faction weapons encourage them?
Catherine Laartii Perkone Caldari State 373	Posted - 2014.10.14 11:18:15 - [8] - Quote Lugh Crow-Slave wrote: I feel this just funnels people down limited firing options So does the current setup with faction weapons encourage them?
elitatwo Congregatio 345	Posted - 2014.10.14 12:02:00 - [9] - Quote Catherine Laartii wrote: NOTE: there is not a stacking penalty for the ammo bonus between weapons. While I would also like to see a significant reduction in the tag amount costs of certain modules and weapons to coincide with this, it wouldn't be necessary or relevant to this to work. I like it, it's not too absurd to call overpowered and the small gain suits small scale pvp better than large blobs raiding LP stores for crystals or ammo. Oh and especially I like the tag amount reduction alot. signature
elitatwo Eve Minions Poopstain Removal Team 444	Posted - 2014.10.14 12:02:34 - [10] - Quote Catherine Laartii wrote: NOTE: there is not a stacking penalty for the ammo bonus between weapons. While I would also like to see a significant reduction in the tag amount costs of certain modules and weapons to coincide with this, it wouldn't be necessary or relevant to this to work. I like it, it's not too absurd to call overpowered and the small gain suits small scale pvp better than large blobs raiding LP stores for crystals or ammo. Oh and especially I like the tag amount reduction alot. signature
Leyete Wulf Dark Fusion Industries Limitless Redux 69	Posted - 2014.10.14 12:19:00 - [11] - Quote If this were implemented the drop rate for pirate ammo would need to be tweaked upward. As it stands their market availability is miniscule.
Leyete Wulf Dark Fusion Industries Limitless Redux 73	Posted - 2014.10.14 12:19:17 - [12] - Quote If this were implemented the drop rate for pirate ammo would need to be tweaked upward. As it stands their market availability is miniscule.
Abrazzar Vardaugas Family 4871	Posted - 2014.10.14 12:27:00 - [13] - Quote It would go a long way to allow them to use T2 ammunition, even if they won't get the bonus of the skill specialization while still needing the skill for the ammunition. Sovereignty and Population New Mining Mechanics
Abrazzar Vardaugas Family 5121	Posted - 2014.10.14 12:27:56 - [14] - Quote It would go a long way to allow them to use T2 ammunition, even if they won't get the bonus of the skill specialization while still needing the skill for the ammunition. Sovereignty and Population New Mining Mechanics
Catherine Laartii Providence Guard Templis CALSF 317	Posted - 2014.10.14 14:07:00 - [15] - Quote Abrazzar wrote: It would go a long way to allow them to use T2 ammunition, even if they won't get the bonus of the skill specialization while still needing the skill for the ammunition. basic idea is that with the balancing table thing CCP outlined with t2 on one end and faction in another place I think it would be better to give them more differences so as not to step on the others' toes. Currently I think the pricing for faction modules is extremely hyper-inflated, and a tag reduction as well as something like this that gives ALL the weapons a unique flavor would go a long way towards helping the faction item market out. Wouldn't you like to see not just more readily available, but USEFUL things come from the khanid, ammatar and syndicate LP markets? Faction ships, particularly navy ones are in a good spot price-wise, but the market for tackle modules and weapons in particular is all out of whack.
Catherine Laartii Perkone Caldari State 373	Posted - 2014.10.14 14:07:31 - [16] - Quote Abrazzar wrote: It would go a long way to allow them to use T2 ammunition, even if they won't get the bonus of the skill specialization while still needing the skill for the ammunition. basic idea is that with the balancing table thing CCP outlined with t2 on one end and faction in another place I think it would be better to give them more differences so as not to step on the others' toes. Currently I think the pricing for faction modules is extremely hyper-inflated, and a tag reduction as well as something like this that gives ALL the weapons a unique flavor would go a long way towards helping the faction item market out. Wouldn't you like to see not just more readily available, but USEFUL things come from the khanid, ammatar and syndicate LP markets? Faction ships, particularly navy ones are in a good spot price-wise, but the market for tackle modules and weapons in particular is all out of whack.
Catherine Laartii Perkone Caldari State 373	Posted - 2014.11.10 08:34:41 - [17] - Quote Leyete Wulf wrote: If this were implemented the drop rate for pirate ammo would need to be tweaked upward. As it stands their market availability is miniscule. I was thinking that if the implemented something like a severe tag reduction for faction LP stores, even if it was just for nullsec lp stores, it would help drive the prices down quite a bit to something bearable.
Arronicus Fusion Enterprises Ltd Brothers of Tangra 1235	Posted - 2014.11.10 08:48:31 - [18] - Quote I feel like giving faction guns access to t2 ammo, bumping their skill req up to reflect that, and perhaps their damage down a bit to compensate for the bonus from the spec skill, would be enough to make faction weaponry, and particularly officer weaponry, actually useful. Sure, there are SOME people, not many, but some, who use faction guns instead of t2 because they have a lot of isk, but not much SP, but many of those who use them now, I believe would still use them after, with the t2 req. The reason faction weapons are so terrible is the lack of being able to lose t2 long range ammo for short range guns, and short range ammo for long range guns...
Dave Stark 7126	Posted - 2014.11.10 09:56:33 - [19] - Quote I'd rather see faction turrets get bonuses like less capacitor use, or more ammo capacity, or lower fitting requirements. things that aren't related to their primary use (shooting things).
Adrie Atticus Shadows of Rebellion The Bastion 511	Posted - 2014.11.10 10:31:01 - [20] - Quote Sooo a CNR with full of CN mods should become a marauder purely from the virtue of matching a set?
Catherine Laartii Perkone Caldari State 373	Posted - 2014.11.10 11:17:44 - [21] - Quote Dave Stark wrote: I'd rather see faction turrets get bonuses like less capacitor use, or more ammo capacity, or lower fitting requirements. things that aren't related to their primary use (shooting things). they could have very basic improvements in that area over t1/t2, which get amplified signfiicantly when using faction ammo
Catherine Laartii Perkone Caldari State 373	Posted - 2014.11.10 11:20:13 - [22] - Quote Adrie Atticus wrote: Sooo a CNR with full of CN mods should become a marauder purely from the virtue of matching a set? They don't get an increase in dps or range from this setup, but yeah generally the setup with cal navy would play to its faction ships' strengths of missile sig reduction. Gives people incentive to bling their navy ravens out even more. Mind you, it's JUST the guns/launchers paired with their matching faction ammo. Modules, even dmg mods would NOT affect the same modifiers.
Dave Stark 7137	Posted - 2014.11.11 09:24:26 - [23] - Quote Catherine Laartii wrote: Dave Stark wrote: I'd rather see faction turrets get bonuses like less capacitor use, or more ammo capacity, or lower fitting requirements. things that aren't related to their primary use (shooting things). they could have very basic improvements in that area over t1/t2, which get amplified signfiicantly when using faction ammo or just make them flat out better at criteria X with any ammo. no faffing around with special cases, and just gives them a justification to their price tag.
Spugg Galdon APOCALYPSE LEGION The Obsidian Front 565	Posted - 2014.11.11 11:40:17 - [24] - Quote Make weapon specialisation skills apply to all weapons including T1, Storyline, Faction, Officer and T2 but only allow T2 to use T2 ammo. This is essentially a 10% dps buff to all weapons excluding T2. Top tier T1 with all level 5 spec skills then does same damage as T2 but can't use T2 ammo so lacks versatility (fair tradeoff) Faction Weapons then get a 4-5% damage advantage over T2 but can't use T2 ammo (fair tradeoff) Storyline weapons get same DPS as T2 but can't use T2 ammo but have lowered fitting costs (fair tradeoff) Suddenly all weapons become feasable instead of just T2 and it's all based on skillpoints. the more you invest and specialise the more you get out of it. Also, redesign ammo to make all ammo useful. Current ammo design makes most crystals/charges useless example: Blasters use antimatter, void or null Rails use antimatter, Javelin or iron (spike sometimes but it's pretty awful) Pulses uses scorch (almost exclusively) multifreqs or conflag (rarely) Beam uses multifreqs, Gleam or infrared. This leaves all the inbetweeners just crap and fluff.
BeBopAReBop RhubarbPie The Conference Elite CODE. 1119	Posted - 2014.11.11 12:09:22 - [25] - Quote I like the idea, but until I can use null in faction blasters I will have to stick with t2. New player resources: http://wiki.eveuniversity.org/Main_Page - General information http://www.evealtruist.com/p/know-your-enemy.html - Learn to PvP http://belligerentundesirables.com/ - Safaris, Awoxes, Ganking and Griefing-á

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