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Astrid Stjerna
Teraa Matar
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Posted - 2011.11.26 04:10:00 -
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Welcome, new players! I hope your time in New Eden is enjoyable, and that I see you out there some day!
To make your transition to EVE a bit more accomodating, I've given some thought to the three most important things to know about EVE. I may defy your expectations, though, because I'm not going to talk about ore, or missions, or ISK (well, ISK, yes, but only in a peripheral sense).
Rule One is something that every EVE veteran will tell you time and time again:
Never fly what you can't afford to lose. New Eden is a dangerous place, filled with dangerous people. You're going to lose ships -- trust me, you will -- and losing a relatively-inexpensive mining frigate is better than bankrupting yourself to replace a six-billion-ISK subcapital.
Rule Two:
Information is Power, so give your enemy as little as possible. Be careful what you reveal, both here and in the game itself -- many an unwary pilot has lost an expensive cargo (or ship) because he bragged about his 'big find'. Likewise, don't go into too much detail about your weapons and armor.
Rule Three:
Trust no one, until they've earned it. There are individuals and corporations in New Eden that have literally spent years setting their marks up for a big scam, and many of them are very good at it. Trust me, you want to know who you're dealing with before you find yourself floating home in your pod.
See you in the 'verse, pilots, and good luck. |
mxzf
Shovel Bros
166
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Posted - 2011.11.26 05:24:00 -
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You're missing something which you might consider rule zero on that list:
Always be training something. No matter what, you should have something training at all times, 24/7. If you're not really sure what you want to train next, just toss something random on and work on it, you'll thank yourself later when you realize that you really did have a use for that skill. Time when you're not training is SP thrown away and advantage lost, don't let it happen to you. |
Mara Rinn
Cosmic Industrial Complex
Cosmic Consortium
311
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Posted - 2011.11.26 06:21:00 -
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There is a collection of similar wisdom in the New Citizens useful threads page of the EVElopedia.
Hope this helps!
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Mu'ad Diib
The Mighty
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Posted - 2011.11.26 11:15:00 -
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Astrid Stjerna wrote:Trust no one, until they've earned it. There are individuals and corporations in New Eden that have literally spent years setting their marks up for a big scam, and many of them are very good at it. mxzf wrote:[i]Always be training something. No matter what, you should have something training at all times, 24/7.
I'd heartily agree with both of these points.
I've just been scammed by a player, so I can testify with grim realisation that some of them are really, really good.
I've seen things you people wouldn't believe.
Attack ships on fire off the shoulder of Orion.
I watched C-beams glitter in the dark near the Tannhauser gate.
All those moments will be lost in time, like tears in rain. |
Destination SkillQueue
Are We There Yet
157
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Posted - 2011.11.26 11:33:00 -
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Astrid Stjerna
Rule Three:
[i wrote:Trust no one[/i], until they've earned it. There are individuals and corporations in New Eden that have literally spent years setting their marks up for a big scam, and many of them are very good at it. Trust me, you want to know who you're dealing with before you find yourself floating home in your pod.
I would argue that the rule should simply be never to fully trust anyone. A thief or a spy will work hard, harder than normal players, to gain your trust and the more you rely on that trust, the worse you'll get hurt by them. It's better to work on the assumption, that you can get screwed over by anyone. That doesn't mean you shouldn't work with others, make friends or give them access to some of your assets when the situation calls for it, but it does mean that whenever possible you should rely on mechanics and procedures, that don't rely on trust and never ever leave yourself or your assets fully vulnerable. |
Anshio Tamark
Avitus Lugus
33
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Posted - 2011.11.26 12:54:00 -
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Just an addition to Rule Three:
Always read a contract or offer 3 times. If you read it only once, you're going to miss the important part. If you read it twice, you might still miss something, and if you read it a dozen times, you're not gonna miss anything, but someone else will take up the offer before you.
On that note, if you're offered a chance to pay a ransom, in exchange for not having your ship popped, make sure it says 30,000,000.00 (30 mil) and not 300,000,000.00 (300 mil) without the separators. There's a huge difference between paying 30mil to let your Battlecruiser go and paying 300mil for the same thing. |
Ariane VoxDei
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Posted - 2011.11.26 19:07:00 -
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Astrid Stjerna wrote:Never fly what you can't afford to lose. New Eden is a dangerous place, filled with dangerous people. You're going to lose ships -- trust me, you will -- and losing a relatively-inexpensive mining frigate is better than bankrupting yourself to replace a six-billion-ISK subcapital.
Rule Three:
Trust no one, until they've earned it. There are individuals and corporations in New Eden that have literally spent years setting their marks up for a big scam, and many of them are very good at it. Trust me, you want to know who you're dealing with before you find yourself floating home in your pod
So, trust noone, except you?
Sounds like you need to take your own medicine you quack :P
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Marwood Ford
Pink Sunshine Inc.
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Posted - 2011.11.26 19:55:00 -
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Ariane VoxDei wrote:So, trust noone, except you?
Sounds like you need to take your own medicine you quack :P
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Marcus Wilde
Meat Shields
9
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Posted - 2011.11.26 20:08:00 -
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#4 Have Fun For Gods Sake!!!
Tears + Bucket = Win |
Vigdis Thorisdottir
Imperial Academy
Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2011.11.26 22:36:00 -
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I prefer my own 3 rules of Eve:
1. The most thrilling experiences in Eve happen while flying what you CAN'T afford to lose.
2. Anything a player does to you, you can do to some other poor bastard.
3. You're paying to play this game, so have fun and play it YOUR way. |
Louis deGuerre
The Dark Tribe
Against ALL Authorities
71
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Posted - 2011.11.26 23:25:00 -
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Don't pay ransoms unless you like to pay for getting podded anyhow.
There is no consequence for a pirate in dishonoring a ransom so just don't untill CCP finally creates a reputation/bounty system.
FIRE FRIENDSHIP TORPEDOES ! |
Alysane
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2011.11.27 10:06:00 -
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-Never accept a contract in Jita local (99.9% are scams)
-If you cant afford two of something, then you cant afford one. |
Sir Substance
Tactical Knightmare
128
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Posted - 2011.11.27 11:11:00 -
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Ariane VoxDei wrote:
So, trust noone, except you?
Sounds like you need to take your own medicine you quack :P
You know, I've found this POS in low sec, and its shied is down, there is a freighter/carrier/dreadnought/whatever capital ship you can fly drifting inside it.
I cant fly it, so I want you to come pick it up, we can split the profits 50/50. I want some collateral though, so I know you don't just run off with it. Pay me 100mil and I'll lead you there. |
Sir Substance
Tactical Knightmare
128
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Posted - 2011.11.27 11:14:00 -
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Louis deGuerre wrote:Don't pay ransoms unless you like to pay for getting podded anyhow.
This is terrible advice. Almost all pirates will honor ransoms if you are a good sport about the whole situation. Be polite, be funny, don't let your ego run away with you.
If you do what Louis says, you'll build a reputation of "is a ****", and not only may people hunt you for sport, but one day you'll be in your good clone, and you'll really want to pay that ransom, but you won't get offered it. |
Velicitia
Open Designs
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Posted - 2011.11.27 13:47:00 -
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Sir Substance wrote:Louis deGuerre wrote:Don't pay ransoms unless you like to pay for getting podded anyhow.
This is terrible advice. Almost all pirates will honor ransoms if you are a good sport about the whole situation. Be polite, be funny, don't let your ego run away with you. If you do what Louis says, you'll build a reputation of "is a ****", and not only may people hunt you for sport, but one day you'll be in your good clone, and you'll really want to pay that ransom, but you won't get offered it.
^ This.
With pirates I don't know (and have me camped somewhere "safe" ... like in a station) ... I'll usually negotiate something agreeable ... say half now/half when I get out (or something).
if it's at a gate ... i'll usually go for some other ratio (60/40 or so, whatever's really easy to come up with) so I'm not out quite so much if they do decide to pod me after getting the iskies... |
Louis deGuerre
The Dark Tribe
Against ALL Authorities
71
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Posted - 2011.11.27 14:57:00 -
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Well it is clear who in this thread is a pirate 
If you like to throw good money after bad by all means pay ransoms 
FIRE FRIENDSHIP TORPEDOES ! |
Vimsy Vortis
Shoulda Checked Local
Break-A-Wish Foundation
109
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Posted - 2011.11.27 19:12:00 -
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A pretty important rule for people who are in bad highsec corps is this:
Keep your damn mouth shut.
You have no idea how many highsec corps and alliances have found themselves losing billions of isk in assets and a large percentage of their members because a 2 week old character decided to talk smack to the wrong person. |
Titania Hrothgar
Federal Defence Union
Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2011.11.27 21:42:00 -
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I have never been offered a ransom. Every time I've ran into a pirate or gate camp it's been shoot to kill. At times they even destroyed my pod. I came to the conclusion that pirates aren't the most chatty bunch.
Titania Hrothgar |
Quinnie Huang
State War Academy
Caldari State
0
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Posted - 2011.11.28 01:23:00 -
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Titania Hrothgar wrote:I have never been offered a ransom. Every time I've ran into a pirate or gate camp it's been shoot to kill. At times they even destroyed my pod. I came to the conclusion that pirates aren't the most chatty bunch.
Actually, the non-chatty ones don't even consider themselves pirates. It's true. |
Sir Substance
Tactical Knightmare
129
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Posted - 2011.11.28 01:55:00 -
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Quinnie Huang wrote:Titania Hrothgar wrote:I have never been offered a ransom. Every time I've ran into a pirate or gate camp it's been shoot to kill. At times they even destroyed my pod. I came to the conclusion that pirates aren't the most chatty bunch. Actually, the non-chatty ones don't even consider themselves pirates. It's true.
I think you are trying to be sarcastic, but thats not an unfair point. Proper pirates in eve are people who make their money from low sec PvP. You can't make much from module drops, since most people dont bring blingships into low sec.
Thus, real pirates will ransom at every opportunity, because they need the isk. |
Astrid Stjerna
Teraa Matar
105
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Posted - 2011.11.28 15:58:00 -
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Velicitia wrote:
if it's at a gate ... i'll usually go for some other ratio (60/40 or so, whatever's really easy to come up with) so I'm not out quite so much if they do decide to pod me after getting the iskies...
I just had a Farscape moment:
Quote:John: Yeah, well I don't! (the Vorcarians go silent again) Not my own. How good are you two? 'Cos I might be willing to cut you in. You help me capture the prisoners and I'll split the bounty. 70/30.
Rorf: (lunging towards John, weapon drawn) 70...40.
John: (without batting an eye) 80/40. You in or out? (Rorf grunts)
-- John Crichton discovers that alien bounty hunters can't count. |
Toshiro GreyHawk
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Posted - 2011.11.29 03:41:00 -
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Sir Substance wrote:Quinnie Huang wrote:Titania Hrothgar wrote:I have never been offered a ransom. Every time I've ran into a pirate or gate camp it's been shoot to kill. At times they even destroyed my pod. I came to the conclusion that pirates aren't the most chatty bunch. Actually, the non-chatty ones don't even consider themselves pirates. It's true. I think you are trying to be sarcastic, but thats not an unfair point. Proper pirates in eve are people who make their money from low sec PvP. You can't make much from module drops, since most people dont bring blingships into low sec. Thus, real pirates will ransom at every opportunity, because they need the isk.
Which is of course - the best reason for not paying ransoms.
If you're in a situation where pirates could hold you for ransom then you are in a contest with the pirates. If you can blow them up or get away - you win.
If they catch you - they won.
Suck it up - lose your ship and get podded - and try not to let it happen again.
Paying them the ransom just helps keep them in business. If people don't pay ransoms - then pirates have to support themselves some other way - and while they're doing that - they just might not be spending their time being pirates.
Paying ransoms encourages piracy - so the real problem here (for non-pirates) - isn't the pirates - it's the people who pay them ransoms.
If you can't afford to lose your ship - then THAT is your first mistake. You shouldn't be flying something you can't afford to lose. After all - the guy who catches you might not have any interest in ransoms and may just blow you up for the hell of it ... whether you pay him a ransom or not.
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