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Ducat DesFlynne
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Posted - 2003.10.11 04:31:00 -
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Edited by: Ducat DesFlynne on 11/10/2003 04:35:27
Sorry for posting this here, but I don't see a support forum.
I only recently began getting the message, "The user's connection has been usurped, " occasionally when I lose connection.
It sounds very ominous, doesn't it? =)
I keep a fairly tight ship when it comes to virus/trojan scanning, spy bot hunting, firewalls, security updates and such, and I don't find anything malicious floating around on my machine.
It's just that I don't like having my connection "usurped" when I'm playing Eve. It makes it sound like someone is taking it over. =)
Anyone have a clue what this particular disconnect message really means?
-Ducat
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Exel Aurora
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Posted - 2003.10.11 04:34:00 -
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Edited by: Exel Aurora on 11/10/2003 04:35:06
Someone is using your account. Try it. Log into Eve in window mode, then open another instance of Eve and login once again. The first Eve application should return to the login screen with that user message being displayed. I would suggest changing your username and password immediately.
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Thano
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Posted - 2003.10.11 04:36:00 -
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it sounds to me like another client is connecting to the server with your account not sure of this tho iv personaly never gotten this message before but if i were you id change my password asap.
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Ducat DesFlynne
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Posted - 2003.10.11 04:39:00 -
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Ugh, I was afraid of that.
How someone might have gotten my login info is beyond me, though. My system has been clean for months, and I never have the client save the password.
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Thano
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Posted - 2003.10.11 04:42:00 -
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do you have this site save your login and password when you log in to post? cause if so you should hit the logout butten and when it asks you if you whant to login next time as a diforant user click yes
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Ducat DesFlynne
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Posted - 2003.10.11 04:44:00 -
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Nope. I never have any websites or game save my passwords, nor do I allow windows to remember them for me.
I've just changed it.
I do find it puzzing, though.
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Ducat DesFlynne
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Posted - 2003.10.11 04:47:00 -
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Edited by: Ducat DesFlynne on 11/10/2003 04:48:39
Something just came to mind.
If I'm currently logged into the account, wouldn't another person trying to log into it get an, "Account is currently in use" message? Or is the "usurped" message and a disconnect an actual feature CCP put in to warn you that someone has your account info...
If it's a feature, you would think the message would not be quite so cryptic. More like, "Someone has just tried to log into your account!" would be more appropriate.
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Cao Cao
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Posted - 2003.10.11 04:58:00 -
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Ducat,
You can log into your account even when some1 else is using it. The person who gets disconnected gets the usurped message.
Also, when a GM bans you from the game and you are logged in, you get that message 
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Ducat DesFlynne
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Posted - 2003.10.11 05:02:00 -
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Lol, intersting tidbit of info Cao. =)
See? Getting banned sometimes opens up volumes of additional information you can share with the community.
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Archemedes
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Posted - 2003.10.11 05:31:00 -
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Just curious, but how could saving login information on the website let someone steal your account (not counting the people website administrators, of course)? Are you talking about someone hacking the EVE website and stealing the login files? 
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Ducat DesFlynne
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Posted - 2003.10.11 05:38:00 -
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I think that refer's to your local machine storing that info (such as in a cookie) so you don't have to type it each time.
That would make it available to someone who could hack your machine.
If someone were hacking CCP's user profiles, this situation would be rampant, I would think.
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Thano
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Posted - 2003.10.11 05:41:00 -
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Are you talking about someone hacking the EVE website and stealing the login files?
nothing is imposible. albeit it is rather inprobable but you cant rule it out as a posibility
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Veruna Caseti
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Posted - 2003.10.11 06:06:00 -
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Receiving this message does not necessarily mean someone else is logging in to your account.
I have seen it several times. Anyone who has MUDded is also familiar with this phenomenon. When you lose connection sometimes it's only a "client" connection loss - the server might take some time to recognize that you no longer have an active connection.
Hence, sometimes when you drop connection and immediately try to reconnect YOU are still currently logged in under your character. You are essentially usurping yourself - so stop worrying so much.
Veruna Caseti
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vf142rex
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Posted - 2003.10.11 06:09:00 -
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I mud and have never seen that,,,
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Veruna Caseti
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Posted - 2003.10.11 06:13:00 -
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Edited by: Veruna Caseti on 11/10/2003 06:13:57
I've been MUDding for 12 years and I've never played one where it didn't happen occasionally.
This is not just isolated to Online Games - many networking applications have trouble staying "in sync" with a client and recognizing quickly when they no longer have an active connection.
Think of it like someone losing their phone connection while you're talking to them. You still finish your sentence, and then maybe a few "Hello? Still there? Hey, you there?" before you realize they're gone. Then you hang up.
Basically what we're talking about is the equivalent of "calling back too soon" and getting a busy signal.
Veruna Caseti
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Alenia Swift
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Posted - 2003.10.11 06:14:00 -
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Edited by: Alenia Swift on 11/10/2003 06:14:50
What Veruna posted is similar to what used to happen with Citrix(terminal)servers when a connection was closed at the client and they could not get back in until it timed out or was manually reset at the server, so I figure it is a possibility.
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dethnel
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Posted - 2003.10.11 11:05:00 -
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i'm sure what veruna posted is correct for many games if you try to log back on too quickly, but the description here is that the 'users connection has been usurped' message CAUSES you to lose the connection, it does not happen at the time you try to log back on. eve will send you this message specifically if someone else is logging onto your account at the same time you are active-and then you will get kicked off. if this happens to you then change your password immediately.
i regularly play multiple accounts on different computers and often usurp myself on purpose (to swap a char onto my faster computer then startup another char on the other)- you can even leave the game running at work as you drive home, then usurp your account back at home to steal the connection and u never lose a minute of gameplay...um, i play way too much...
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Drethen Nerevitas
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Posted - 2003.10.11 11:10:00 -
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OMGWTFSPLOITSPLOIT my ship blew up while I was AFK mining and driving home from work!
 
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IMPORTANT: Devs (and players) please take notice.
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dethnel
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Posted - 2003.10.11 11:40:00 -
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lol- ya, that's the chance u takes if u afk, i accept that. and i also accept the fact that i'd probably make a profit on the insurance if it did happen so no complaints from me either way;);)
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Hikaru Okuda
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Posted - 2003.10.11 12:21:00 -
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Edited by: Hikaru Okuda on 11/10/2003 12:24:01
The "usurped" message will also happen if your IP address suddenly changes while you are logged on. Other Internet problems can probably cause it too... But I can actually reproduce the "usurped" using a one-to-one NAT capable firewall and changing the public IP on the firewall. 
Also, one ISP I am familiar with has a strange connection setup that can cause your public IP to change suddenly (sometimes several times in a few minutes). It should not do that, actually--it should only change after long periods of inactivity (at least they no longer make you have to log on if it times out). If it changes while you are actually generating traffic (playing Eve) they are having technical difficulties... And you will quite likely get an "usurped" message.
The setup they have has your computer connected as part of a private network when you connect to the DSL service (so you have a non-internet routable private IP). This private IP doesn't normally change. At this stage you are connected to a DSL network, but you are not connected to the Internet. The routers at the DSL provider then connect you using one-to-one NAT through your ISP of choice to the Internet. They set it up this way so that you get the DSL from one company and then choose one of several ISPs that are part of the system. You can actually change your ISP without having to get new DSL service.
Anyone familiar with that setup can probably guess what DSL service I am talking about...
Sorry for rambling, but I know this config can cause you to get an "usurped" message if the public side of your one-to-one NAT changes. You would never know unless you have a way of tracking that public IP. The same thing should not happen if the actual IP of your computer changes because that will generally just cause a connection drop (or CTD even).
If any of you have a firewall that supports one-to-one NAT you can probably reproduce it too.
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vf142rex
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Posted - 2003.10.11 13:44:00 -
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Hmmm, i've been playing 2 muds for almost 5 years now, never had that. Was playing another maybe 6 years ago and it never happened there either :p
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Ducat DesFlynne
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Posted - 2003.10.13 00:31:00 -
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UPDATE:
I've sent a support request in, asking that the message be clarified. No reply yet.
However, tonight, when the server was brought down for a reboot, I got 2 messages;
1) The Node has gone offline
...and immediately after that...
2) The user's connection has been usurped,
It appears to me that, as others have said here, that someone logging into your account while you're using it isn't the sole reason for that this message sometimes appears.
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Jake Pliskin
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Posted - 2003.10.21 13:16:00 -
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Yes interesting. Did they ever reply to your questions?
If not, well then i'm just bringing this back from 20 pages deep
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Ducat DesFlynne
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Posted - 2003.10.21 14:08:00 -
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A reply from CCP? Surely you Jest...
No, I never received a reply. Not even so much as a form letter or auto reply.
Not that I'm terribly surprised.
I've still gotten that particular message a couple of times since, but so long as none of my characters have been deleted, my ISK stays in my wallet, and my gear and ships are intact, I'm assuming it's just CCP trying to scare me.
Can I get CCP banned for griefing? =)
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