+1 to this all the way! Let me see cloaked gang members in space please.

Discussion then moved to bombers, with PGL saying that they were arguably more of an issue
than drone assist. He pointed out that as it is, you donGÇÖt see cruiser or BC or shield BS fleets in
fights, entirely because of bomb risks. He highlighted where heGÇÖs seen bombs failing to destroy
other bombs, resulting in more damage. Sort confirmed that bombers had made it effectively
impossible to bring BC fleets, and mentioned the chilling effect on training new FCs with
cheaper ships. Fozzie asked if bombers were weakened significantly, would we see anything
other than battleship fleets. Various CSM members responded they would likely bring more
fleets other than battleship fleets. There was general agreement that bombers should be able to
punish careless or bad FC decisions, but that it is currently simply too easy for them right now.

the csm may indeed be doing its job, but noone on the csm has any actual experience with bombing fleets / isbombing. in fact i looked up all the csm members and the only one with any appreciable background using bombs is Ali Aras, and he isn't the most active of pilots with no activity since june and sub a hundred bombing kills before that.

3) i appreciate that you did that, but after the devblog has come out is often too late, which i pretty much am resigned into believing this time around too. i am aware that is not your fault and not in your control. as for speaking from a position of inexperience, maybe you don't, but you are not the only csm and its not unheard of for people to push their own agendas at a detriment to the greater good.

basically im depressed and disappointed as heck because this isn't the first time ccp has ignored minority player base when they destroy some niche of the game. first they came for the rat ai changes, mission flipping etc. etc.

http://go-dl1.eve-files.com/media/1410/IBombers.png

This.

So what you're saying is that we just leave this all as proposed and "if" the ISBoxers adapt, which we know they will, then revisit it?

Mike, is it clear to you what most people don't like about these change?

Do you agree that changing the cloak mechanic to combat bombers with have a negative effect on all forms of cloaky combat?

There really isn't much more to say at this point.

A rework of defender missiles to target bombs. To me this is the best option because it not only gives fleets a new defense mechanism, but it also makes an obsolete and irrelevant weapon system viable again. I've also seen suggestions, further to the defender missile rework, of adding a new hull, could be either destroyer or cruiser class, T1 or T2, which specializes in the use of defender missiles, creating new options for fleet doctrines, with added roles.

Adding an arming code mechanic to bombs. This solution is targeted more to discouraging ISBoxer, admittedly, but I still think it's a great suggestion, that would add a new dynamic to bombing. A code would flash on the screen after the bomb was launched and would have to be entered correctly before the flight time elapsed in order to arm the bomb and have it detonate. My suggestion is that the bomber would have to be on grid and decloak to enter the code, which would give fleets a little more opportunity to eliminate some of the bombers to prevent further runs.

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I must not have seen all those Dominix fleets in Fountain the past three weeks.