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Deeik Minmatar	Posted - 2006.08.17 01:55:00 - [61] Originally by: nahtohAnd tehentire secondhand smokething has be so proven...[/quote nope. actually it's still pretty inconclusive. and you didn't get my point if that's what you're arguing. it doesn't matter. let's for a second assume it IS harmful. so? don't work at the workplace that allows smoking, don't eat at the restaurant that allows smoking, don't drink at the bar that allows smoking. it's your choice, your fault.
nahtoh Caldari Bull Industries	Posted - 2006.08.17 04:01:00 - [62] Originally by: Deeik Originally by: nahtoh And tehentire secondhand smokething has yet to be so proven... nope. actually it's still pretty inconclusive. and you didn't get my point if that's what you're arguing. it doesn't matter. let's for a second assume it IS harmful. so? don't work at the workplace that allows smoking, don't eat at the restaurant that allows smoking, don't drink at the bar that allows smoking. it's your choice, your fault. Damm I missed a word on my post its now added...done thesame on this post as well... ========= "I am not saying there should be capital punishment for stupidity, but why can`t we just take the safety labels off everything and let the problem fix its self
Lardarz B'stard Amarr Out Of Exile	Posted - 2006.08.17 05:54:00 - [63] Its fair enough to ban smoking at work, but not to actively not hire smokers. The logic they have applied is that smoking causes people to smell and this causes offence. You could just as easily ban people from wearing chanel number 5 because it gets up your nose. Or ban people who eat lots of curry. Then put that in a recruitment advert. This gives carte blanche to people who want to discriminate against people based on their lifestyle choice. Its the nanny state gone a bit nuts. I don't want the government to act like my mother in law. Exiles Recruitment
Azusa Hime	Posted - 2006.08.17 06:28:00 - [64] Edited by: Azusa Hime on 17/08/2006 06:29:04 Originally by: Lardarz B'stard You could just as easily ban people from wearing chanel number 5 because it gets up your nose. Or ban people who eat lots of curry. Then put that in a recruitment advert. Well it's a little bit different with tobacco. Even if the smell is no more there, the gazillions of cancerigen particles (and gaz) are still in the environnement. They goes everywhere, clothes, walls, pieces of furnitures, and are remanent for a long time. ANW I didn't read the whole topic, it must have been allready said, but the cost of people who miss work cause of smoking-related illness is really high.
Deeik Minmatar	Posted - 2006.08.17 06:49:00 - [65] Edited by: Deeik on 17/08/2006 06:50:25 Originally by: Lardarz B'stard Its the nanny state gone a bit nuts. i disagree. it's a lot more than a bit Quote: Well it's a little bit different with tobacco. Even if the smell is no more there, the gazillions of cancerigen particles (and gaz) are still in the environnement. They goes everywhere, clothes, walls, pieces of furnitures, and are remanent for a long time. ANW I didn't read the whole topic, it must have been allready said, but the cost of people who miss work cause of smoking-related illness is really high. again, like already said, then don't work there, and if they're missing work for smoking, then fire them for missing work, not smoking. don't generalize, don't just lump all into one.
Directive	Posted - 2006.08.17 06:51:00 - [66] Cigarettes smell bad? Try cars. Try industry.
Rovol Black Nova Corp Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.08.17 07:53:00 - [67] One of the best articles I've read on the subject: http://www.opinionjournal.com/columnists/pnoonan/?id=110002624
Rusgar The Syndicate Inc Ascendant Frontier	Posted - 2006.08.17 08:07:00 - [68] I only smoke when I drink, the other 80 hours of the week Im at work. Seriously though, people should have the freedom to make their own choices. If someone want to smoke then they can. When governments start dictating people's choices we have a serious problem. Now, of course, smokers should be curtious to those around them. If Im walking somewhere and theres a pregnant woman, kids, or elderly people, I go out of my way to keep a distance or put it out all together. Saying people cant smoke in the workplace is fine by me, heck, we cant even smoke on company property. But not hiring someone because he smokes is pure discrimination and should not be tolerated. I guess thats what you get from the EU though. Not really suprised either, everything is moving towards a single world government. Think of the freedoms we will have then! [/sarcasm off]
Isabella Opharos	Posted - 2006.08.17 08:27:00 - [69] Returning to the drug part. I suffer from sever back pain. To reduce the effects of the back pain I occasionally have to smoke cannabis to ease the pain, reduce the stiffness and remove the edge off the depression that comes with it. If it wasn't for smoking cannabis i would seriously struggle in the workplace. Before anyone comes back with "what about the legal drugs ie. perscription drugs" they are far more harmful. I'll elaborate, A few years ago i suffered from a severe attack of back pain. This caused me to have 3 months off work in a near incapasitated state, my doctor perscribed me with a***tail of painkillers, anti-inflamitories, anti-spasmodics and anti-depressants. They didn't work!. I continued to suffer in agony. When i went back to the doctors to let them know i was still in pain the doctor got very worried. I was showing some very worrying signs of serious liver/kidney damage (yellowing of the skin, and eyes (there were some really nasty symptoms too but not for polite conversation)etc.) it was then that I was recomended to take cannabis. This statement was agreed by a Spine specialist, a radiologist, another GP and a back pain and sports injury therepist as it has the effects of the***tail with a far lower risk. In short. canabis allows me to work when my backpain is very bad with low risk and allowing to retain a high enough level of my faculties to still be one of the best members of staff in my team. Should I be fired for illegal drug use????
Aloysius Knight Minmatar Black Nova Corp Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.08.17 08:43:00 - [70] Originally by: Bhaal In time, both mental retardation and the genetic disorder that causes homosexuality can be cured I believe. wooh wooh wooh time out, you just said being * is a disorder? how the can you say that? now im not * and even i find that offencive (and beleave me you need something big to offened me) and how you can compare it in the same sentaince as being mentaly retarded is unbeleavable
Deeik Minmatar	Posted - 2006.08.17 08:56:00 - [71] Originally by: Rusgar I guess thats what you get from the EU though. Not really suprised either, everything is moving towards a single world government. Think of the freedoms we will have then! [/sarcasm off] man, same here in the U.S., especially in california. and i for one am scared s!!tless by it. oh well, i just hope it doesn't take full effect until after i'm dead. y'know, the good ol 20th century attitude. it won't affect me, i'll be dead by then!
Isabella Opharos	Posted - 2006.08.17 09:33:00 - [72] Originally by: Aloysius Knight Originally by: Bhaal In time, both mental retardation and the genetic disorder that causes homosexuality can be cured I believe. wooh wooh wooh time out, you just said being * is a disorder? how the can you say that? now im not * and even i find that offencive (and beleave me you need something big to offened me) and how you can compare it in the same sentaince as being mentaly retarded is unbeleavable I have to totally agree with Aloysius Knight on this. What you said Bhaal was very offencive and appears nieve. To regard homosexuals as a gentic defect can come accross as being very derogorative and almost **** like. I hope that your comments are through nievety and lack of knowledge of the topic and i understand that you may have made the comments without thought of their implications but you must be very carefull on what is still a delicate matter especially for homosexuals who are likely to take offecnce to being regarded as a defect.
Baldour Ngarr Artemis Rising	Posted - 2006.08.17 09:33:00 - [73] Originally by: Aloysius Knight Originally by: Bhaal In time, both mental retardation and the genetic disorder that causes homosexuality can be cured I believe. wooh wooh wooh time out, you just said being *** is a disorder? how can you say that? Because it's basically true. homosexuality is not a lifestyle choice, it's almost always determined by your genes. And since being a homosexual eliminates any hope of you procreating the species, then clearly something has gone wrong. ________________________________________________ "I tried strip mining, but I lost, and it's cold flying around in space naked."
Isabella Opharos	Posted - 2006.08.17 09:35:00 - [74] Bare in mind that we are not the only species on the planet that has homosexuality. Other species have it too. Believe it or not!
Abraham Azadian Sharks With Frickin' Laser Beams	Posted - 2006.08.17 09:49:00 - [75] List of animals displaying homosexual behaviours "God" has a lot of things to smite (if he does exist) or geneticians have a lot of things to "cure" LIBERONS LES PETITES CULOTTES !
Isabella Opharos	Posted - 2006.08.17 09:57:00 - [76] Edited by: Isabella Opharos on 17/08/2006 10:03:01 Originally by: Abraham Azadian List of animals displaying homosexual behaviours "God" has a lot of things to smite (if he does exist) or geneticians have a lot of things to "cure" ROFL chears for reinforcing my point. 478 different species!!!!!! I have to admit my childish side came out when i saw animals such as "Agile Wallaby"
Gariuys Evil Strangers Inc.	Posted - 2006.08.17 10:02:00 - [77] Originally by: Abraham Azadian List of animals displaying homosexual behaviours "God" has a lot of things to smite (if he does exist) or geneticians have a lot of things to "cure" You just proved the opposite though, that it IS a genetic defect that appears in both humans and beings that don't actually make a conscious choice to what type of relationship they start/have.... Or are you saying a beetle has enough intellect to choose to become ***?
Michuh Vortex. Maelstrom Alliance	Posted - 2006.08.17 10:05:00 - [78] Rather amusing how a discussion on the ethics of companies choosing not to hire people on the basis of whether they smoke or not, has opened a discussion about the average homosexuals right to exist? Bhaal and Baldour Ngarr, its not my place to educate either of you on the subject your getting carried away with so.. Lets just keep the topic on the right road. Maelstrom Recruitment
Michuh Vortex. Maelstrom Alliance	Posted - 2006.08.17 10:06:00 - [79] Originally by: Xrak Honestly, evolution and survival of the fittess is no longer appplied to the human race (In developed countries anyhow). We have effectivally gone beyond nature by keeping people alive much longer then they should. I agree. Artificially keeping the genes around to procreate, when in the past would of died, will eventually leave us all in a nasty mess in my opinion.. Long long long after I'm dead of course.. Maelstrom Recruitment
Isabella Opharos	Posted - 2006.08.17 10:08:00 - [80] Why does intelect have anything to do with it. Do you believe that we are the only animal on this planet which has the capability of free choice. Every creature is subjected to life experiences which can effect all aspects of their persona. Also every creature will gain curiosities which if they choose to investigate may cause them to have prefferences towards the same sex.
Michuh Vortex. Maelstrom Alliance	Posted - 2006.08.17 10:09:00 - [81] Originally by: Isabella Opharos Bare in mind that we are not the only species on the planet that has homosexuality. Other species have it too. Believe it or not! And its not "new" research either ;) You will find it difficiult to find documentation on this subject however, because when this behavior is observed, it will be dismissed as "playing" etc.. and has been conviently ignored in the past.. Maelstrom Recruitment
Gariuys Evil Strangers Inc.	Posted - 2006.08.17 10:11:00 - [82] Originally by: Michuh Rather amusing how a discussion on the ethics of companies choosing not to hire people on the basis of whether they smoke or not, has opened a discussion about the average homosexuals right to exist? Bhaal and Baldour Ngarr, its not my place to educate either of you on the subject your getting carried away with so.. Lets just keep the topic on the right road. Doesn't say anything about their rights to exist... it says something about whether or not homosexuality is choice or a "defect" or rather a ineffective difference in the eyes of evolution/nature ( purpose of relationships is reproduction, not recreation ) which would be kept in check by the lack of natural means of reproduction. Ofcourse like always humans have to intervene and make it so that anything that evolution would remove or rather stop from spreading to much CAN spread. Cause everyone has that right.
Gariuys Evil Strangers Inc.	Posted - 2006.08.17 10:15:00 - [83] Originally by: Isabella Opharos Why does intelect have anything to do with it. Do you believe that we are the only animal on this planet which has the capability of free choice. Every creature is subjected to life experiences which can effect all aspects of their persona. Also every creature will gain curiosities which if they choose to investigate may cause them to have prefferences towards the same sex. We're one of a very select group of species that has enough intelligence and self awareness to make concious choices regarding complex issues such as relationships... If people want to believe that insects and mice experient with homosexuality and then pick whatever feels best, that's fine by me...
Xrak Black Nova Corp Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.08.17 10:15:00 - [84] Originally by: Baldour Ngarr Because it's basically true. homosexuality is not a lifestyle choice, it's almost always determined by your genes. And since being a homosexual eliminates any hope of you procreating the species, then clearly something has gone wrong. Thats not true and you know it!
Gariuys Evil Strangers Inc.	Posted - 2006.08.17 10:16:00 - [85] Edited by: Gariuys on 17/08/2006 10:17:37 Originally by: Xrak Originally by: Baldour Ngarr Because it's basically true. homosexuality is not a lifestyle choice, it's almost always determined by your genes. And since being a homosexual eliminates any hope of you procreating the species, then clearly something has gone wrong. Thats not true and you know it! Yes it's true, by artificial means, or temporary non homosexual "relationships" you go round this problem. But that's not the same. Just for the record, I have nothing against homosexuality... Just find it funny that the same people that say that "they've known since early childhood" refute the idea that it wasn't a choice.
Isabella Opharos	Posted - 2006.08.17 10:27:00 - [86] Originally by: Gariuys Originally by: Isabella Opharos Why does intelect have anything to do with it. Do you believe that we are the only animal on this planet which has the capability of free choice. Every creature is subjected to life experiences which can effect all aspects of their persona. Also every creature will gain curiosities which if they choose to investigate may cause them to have prefferences towards the same sex. We're one of a very select group of species that has enough intelligence and self awareness to make concious choices regarding complex issues such as relationships... If people want to believe that insects and mice experient with homosexuality and then pick whatever feels best, that's fine by me... I find that very hard to believe. I am not saying that you are incorrect but i feel that this direction of though is one of very limited scope and has been more of an assumption rather than a topic which is backed up by scientific facts. I have seen many animal traits through basic obsovation which include animals completing complex actions. These include hamsters squirels and rats showing signs of problem solving capabilities, insects using complex tactics when defending and attacking rival nests, wolfs with a clear socail structure including observasion of crime and punishment.......need I go on. We are the most technologically advanced species on this planet. IMHO This is through the luck of evolution that we have gained the physical capability and that we have stumbled accross the things we need to create our technology to the point that we can research things and continually advance. Just because the majotiy of other species lack the physical capabilities to invent tools of an advanced level does not meen they are not intelegent.
Bhaal Minmatar M. Corp Lotka Volterra	Posted - 2006.08.17 10:31:00 - [87] Edited by: Bhaal on 17/08/2006 10:34:02 First off, I never said I dislike or hates homosexuals. They don't bother me at all. I had a waiter the other day who was an obvious homosexual, and he was a very nice waiter, and I gave him a $10 tip for a $20 meal... Usually the * waiters are nicer than the really hot chicks, as these women can have self centeredness issues. And yes, I hinted in one of my earlier threads that many species of Mammals can have this defect, they are born this way, it's not a choice. I have no reason to hate them, I feel sorry for them, and hope one day that no one has to go through that struggle. If it is a choice, then there will be normal men and women choosing to be homosexuals, and thatÆs fine. However I don't see it, as I'm convinced it's a disorder that gene therapy can eliminate if the person so chooses... In time, I would think if parents who were not *, discovered that their unborn child had this genetic issue, they would want to solve it before the child is born... ------------------------------------------------ Current Hobby other than EVE My Hero
Captain Hudson	Posted - 2006.08.17 10:56:00 - [88] Edited by: Captain Hudson on 17/08/2006 10:57:37 Edited by: Captain Hudson on 17/08/2006 10:56:55 And yes, I hinted in one of my earlier threads that many species of Mammals can have this defect, they are born this way, it's not a choice. I really dont believe that being * is down to gene's. bunch of bull In time, I would think if parents who were not *, discovered that their unborn child had this genetic issue, they would want to solve it before the child is born... That would be highly unlikely and highy contraversial, much like the whole abortion subject. it just wont happen
Xrak Black Nova Corp Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.08.17 10:59:00 - [89] Originally by: Gariuys Edited by: Gariuys on 17/08/2006 10:17:37 Originally by: Xrak Originally by: Baldour Ngarr Because it's basically true. homosexuality is not a lifestyle choice, it's almost always determined by your genes. And since being a homosexual eliminates any hope of you procreating the species, then clearly something has gone wrong. Thats not true and you know it! Yes it's true, by artificial means, or temporary non homosexual "relationships" you go round this problem. But that's not the same. Just for the record, I have nothing against homosexuality... Just find it funny that the same people that say that "they've known since early childhood" refute the idea that it wasn't a choice. Erm yes it is the same. The end result is that you get offspring and thus the human race continues. Doing thing the "natural" way just isnt real anymore. Millions of people are kept alive that would never have been kept alive by natural means. Never mind all the people that have been created through un-natural means (IVF etc). I've also never seen anyone say "they've known since early childhood" and that its a choice, in fact I've never seen a * person say it was a choice. Which makes sense really, since its not a choice. And Bhaal, I'm sure many * people feel sorry for you. I bet many are very happy to be * and wouldn't want to be "cured" now or ever. I'm also still waiting for this * gene evidence.
Bhaal Minmatar M. Corp Lotka Volterra	Posted - 2006.08.17 11:02:00 - [90] Edited by: Bhaal on 17/08/2006 11:04:38 Originally by: Captain Hudson Edited by: Captain Hudson on 17/08/2006 10:57:37 Edited by: Captain Hudson on 17/08/2006 10:56:55 And yes, I hinted in one of my earlier threads that many species of Mammals can have this defect, they are born this way, it's not a choice. I really dont believe that being * is down to gene's. bunch of bull In time, I would think if parents who were not *, discovered that their unborn child had this genetic issue, they would want to solve it before the child is born... That would be highly unlikely and highy contraversial, much like the whole abortion subject. it just wont happen We can disagree on it all we want, only time will tell who is right... I will believe what I believe until I'm proven otherwise... Most ppl thought Human cloning was never going to happen, well it will. And guess what, someone will use that tech to build armies, build groups of humans to colonize other worlds, engineer those clones to live in harsher environments on other planets... All that is possible and will happen at some point in time in out future I believe... Someday humans will be created & programmed by other humans, that's what I see... Discovering and solving the defects in out current genetic code will be one of the first uses of this tech IMO. Quote: And Bhaal, I'm sure many * people feel sorry for you. I bet many are very happy to be * and wouldn't want to be "cured" now or ever. I'm also still waiting for this *** gene evidence. I bet there is a much higher percentage who deep down wish they were born normal... No, there is no evidence yet, I'm saying It's my opinion there will be... ------------------------------------------------ Current Hobby other than EVE My Hero

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