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Bazman Caldari The Establishment	Posted - 2006.08.16 14:04:00 - [1] Edited by: Bazman on 16/08/2006 14:16:00 Edited by: Bazman on 16/08/2006 14:08:01 I don't get it, why does projectile ammo have different volumes? I've noticed that in my Rifters, I can squeeze 60 rounds of EMP into a 200mm Auto, but I can fit 80 rounds of Fusion into the same gun, what is the point of having varying volumes for each ammo? Hybrid ammo doesn't have this weird constraint... oh and in my effort to understand the minmatar condition, I will be posting about many many pointless things i'll probably find in the course of my alts Minmatarisation :P BTW: Rifters for the win. Cheap and Effective PVPing, everyone should fly them ----- Sig removed, maximum allowed image dimensions are 400x120 and maximum allowed size is 24,000 bytes. Please contact [email protected] for more info (including a copy of your picture!) -wystler Hi TUXFORD! Blasterboat for tier 3 Gallente battleship please! Make it look cool too. Thanks. I am a
Trojanman190 Caldari Everlasting Impact	Posted - 2006.08.16 14:20:00 - [2] My guess is that CCP thought that some of our ammo types, like EMP, are to powerful and should have their dps cut with reload times by having smaller clip sizes.
Severa Crest Railgun Voodoo II	Posted - 2006.08.16 14:24:00 - [3] Originally by: Trojanman190 My guess is that CCP thought that some of our ammo types, like EMP, are to powerful and should have their dps cut with reload times by having smaller clip sizes. That is the only possible reason. However since this clearly doesnt apply any more, why is it still like this?
Elfman AWE Corporation Ascendant Frontier	Posted - 2006.08.16 14:34:00 - [4] Originally when they tried to balance the use of ammo types the reduced the cap use on the less used hybrid and crystals for balance. As projectiles used little or no cap they decided to reduce the volume of the lesser used projectile ammo. So EMP was left at the original size and fusion reduced in volume.
Bazman Caldari The Establishment	Posted - 2006.08.16 14:38:00 - [5] Seems to me clip size issues could be sorted simply by making all projectile rounds the same size as Fusion ammo currently. 80 Rounds in a 200mm Auto is perfect. Not too much that you can shoot non stop for ages, not too little that you run out too soon. ----- Sig removed, maximum allowed image dimensions are 400x120 and maximum allowed size is 24,000 bytes. Please contact [email protected] for more info (including a copy of your picture!) -wystler Hi TUXFORD! Blasterboat for tier 3 Gallente battleship please! Make it look cool too. Thanks. I am a
Jim McGregor Caldari	Posted - 2006.08.16 14:40:00 - [6] Minmatar is overpowered and doesnt need more buffs... Ok, couldnt write that with a straight face, sorry. :) --- Eve Wiki \| Eve Tribune \| Eve Pirate
Yual Minmatar Black Avatar Firmus Ixion	Posted - 2006.08.16 14:55:00 - [7] Bad Jim, no protein delicacies for you tonight! Originally by: W.W. Smith "Consistancy is a hallmark of a small mind." What ever doesn't Kali me, makes stronger...
Ozzie Asrail Hybrid Syndicate	Posted - 2006.08.16 15:03:00 - [8] Originally by: Jim McGregor Minmatar is overpowered and doesnt need more buffs... Ok, couldnt write that with a straight face, sorry. :) ahha it has been admitted! Now prepear to be quoted at every opertunity -----
Beinrich	Posted - 2006.08.16 15:11:00 - [9] Its actually even weirder. The volume decreases only till the no range bonus variant (Depledet Uranium) whereafter it starts to increase again with rising rangebonus. Only the spirits know why...
Bazman Caldari The Establishment	Posted - 2006.08.16 15:44:00 - [10] Originally by: Beinrich Its actually even weirder. The volume decreases only till the no range bonus variant (Depledet Uranium) whereafter it starts to increase again with rising rangebonus. Only the spirits know why... WTF, thats even weirder. If anything, you would think the longer range ammo would be even smaller in volume, thus letting arties fire more before needing to reload at long range. Getting all ammo made to be the same size as Fusion should be one of the things whined about by all Minnie pilots :P ----- Sig removed, maximum allowed image dimensions are 400x120 and maximum allowed size is 24,000 bytes. Please contact [email protected] for more info (including a copy of your picture!) -wystler Hi TUXFORD! Blasterboat for tier 3 Gallente battleship please! Make it look cool too. Thanks. I am a
Acerus Malum Encina Technologies Namtz'aar k'in	Posted - 2006.08.16 16:03:00 - [11] Originally by: Bazman Getting all ammo made to be the same size as Fusion should be one of the things whined about by all Minnie pilots :P Blech. And why would we do that? (And why Fusion? The "standard" sized ammo is EMP...)
Nafri Caldari Cataclysm Enterprises Dusk and Dawn	Posted - 2006.08.16 16:16:00 - [12] it was changed when they introduced different cap usage for ammotypes. Since projectiles had very low cap usage, they further decreased their DPS by more often reloads From Dusk till Dawn
LUGAL MOP'N'GLO	Posted - 2006.08.16 16:19:00 - [13] I only get 10rnds of Tremor M in my 720mm Howitzer II's . ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Win a Cynabal for 10ml!!!
Norris Neophitus Minmatar Hidden Agenda	Posted - 2006.08.16 16:21:00 - [14] Minmatar ammo is crazy I have been using it for over a year now and i still have no idea about it. i generally pick an ammo that suits my combat range rather than damage type cause the dmage types are all over the place and range i find more effective considering the number of rounds my auto cannons get through. The fact that ammo is all different sized also makes no sense and i know i wouldnt like to be they guy in charge of the guns when the order to change ammo comes through "you have 10 secons to fit this big carbonised lead bullet into the gun thats firing tiny plasma pellets, GO GO GO!!!! Oh and thanks for my new signature Jim Originally by: Jim McGregor -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Minmatar is overpowered and doesnt need more buffs... Ok, couldnt write that with a
Mudkest	Posted - 2006.08.16 16:45:00 - [15] norris, your sig quote is a bit incomplete ;) - It is much more efficient to talk to yourself in person than via the chat system. Now imagine the unimaginable
Reatu Krentor Minmatar Void Spiders Fate Weavers	Posted - 2006.08.16 18:32:00 - [16] Originally by: Bazman Originally by: Beinrich Its actually even weirder. The volume decreases only till the no range bonus variant (Depledet Uranium) whereafter it starts to increase again with rising rangebonus. Only the spirits know why... WTF, thats even weirder. If anything, you would think the longer range ammo would be even smaller in volume, thus letting arties fire more before needing to reload at long range. Getting all ammo made to be the same size as Fusion should be one of the things whined about by all Minnie pilots :P the volume size changes match the cap use bonus on lasers(and in the past on hybrids, they just forgot to change that back after they tried to change ammo). So it's just a "balancing" thing, not sure how usefull it is though, roleplay wise I just imagine an emp round being longer but having the same diameter then the others. I think it's fine the way it is now. Originally by: Norris Neophitus Minmatar ammo is crazy I have been using it for over a year now and i still have no idea about it. i generally pick an ammo that suits my combat range rather than damage type cause the dmage types are all over the place and range i find more effective considering the number of rounds my auto cannons get through. The fact that ammo is all different sized also makes no sense and i know i wouldnt like to be they guy in charge of the guns when the order to change ammo comes through "you have 10 secons to fit this big carbonised lead bullet into the gun thats firing tiny plasma pellets, GO GO GO!!!! Oh and thanks for my new signature Jim Projectile ammo is unique in its options, which also makes it harder to know what's best. For my ac pest I currently have 4 types of ammo with me, phased plasma, emp, barrage and hail(yes velocity penalty must go, but it has its uses). Emp is my general use ammo, barrage gives me extra range and I could also use it to hurt minmatar T2 resist ships(decent kinetic damage), phased plasma is for amarr T2 resist and hail for when I want to put something down fast but don't really care about escaping when it goes sour - Following Forum Whoring 101.
HankMurphy Pelennor Swarm Knights Of the Southerncross	Posted - 2006.08.16 22:29:00 - [17] emp is base size, so i would probably not whine about ammo sizes too much, i like knowing i can choose something i can hold a bit more of if i'm going out from base for hours and may run into ammo supply issues. now, if they did bring em all back to one size (why fusion? someone asked), well, we can hold an assload in one clip (13 i think it is). If we get the versatility of smaller sized ammos taken away, i would like to see the clip size increased ... but thats a whole different plate of spaghetti right there

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