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Brisi Sniggerdly	Posted - 2006.08.17 12:57:00 - [31] Best Sci-Fi movie is without a doubt the directors cut version of 'Blade Runner', it's just a brilliant movie. 'Brazil' by Terry Gilliam comes very close though. For series, 'Firefly' is my favourite of all time, I seriously hope that some network station picks it up where Fox left it, 'cause I just want more. The new BSG is also pretty good, however, I don't like how they constantly use cliffhangers to keep people watching. I much rather prefer the stand-alone episodes of Firefly, with (almost) everyone of them having a proper ending. I am Brisi, I am as One. Resistance is fertile.
Dark Shikari Caldari Imperium Technologies Firmus Ixion	Posted - 2006.08.17 13:01:00 - [32] Edited by: Dark Shikari on 17/08/2006 13:06:14 Originally by: Lluthiunne Atalaron I prefer my Sci-Fi quite gritty, with an element of reality. I know this sounds stupid the idea of Sci-Fi is just that Fiction. I just prefer to get caught up on the story and believe, æDamn you know what that could be possible.Æ I cannot stand the likes of Stargate, it never makes me think that. Stargate and its brethren are horribly parodies. If you ask someone to describe whatÆs happening in a typical episode of Stargate. You had better prepare yourself to be bombarded by the most bizarre assortment of b-movie garbage and clichTs. Still umpteen years on and there still going, so they must be doing something right?........right? IÆm not opposed to flights of fancy, were I can let my imagination run wild but some shows just seemààcheap!?! Um, WHAT?! Stargate is probably one of the most "gritty" mainstream scifi shows ever made. At least compared to Star Trek, BSG, and the other shows on TV these days. It has far fewer cliches and "B-movie garbage" than any show I've seen... well, that is if you ignore the 100th episode, which was designed to be a joke and a parody I mean, only in Stargate can you have a situation where they accidentally gate to a black hole and can't close the gate, and they don't have any magical "shield modulation" or "tetrionic emissions" to do it for them like they do in Star Trek. I'm guessing you've never actually watched Stargate by the tone of your post: there's no way you could possibly be so wrong after having seen it. Heck, its the only scifi TV show currently running where they don't have phasers or magical laser blasters. --[23] Member-- Originally by: DB Preacher The only time BoB's backs are to the wall is when Backdoor Bandit is in local.
Harkwyth Mist Caldari The Black Ops	Posted - 2006.08.17 14:09:00 - [33] T.V. Series: RED DWAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAARF best ever vaguely sci-fi related TV series Reddwarf compilation clips The Arnold Rimmer Song Movie: Starwars 1-6 tho my personal favourite is 3 for the rise of vader, i always cheer on the bad guys Books (read more than i watch telly/films really) 'EON' greg bear. provided u can get your head around basic maths/physics its a *****ing read if a little heavy-going on the science talk. 'Sphere' Michael Crichton, unfortunatly made into quite a bad movie, with samuel L jackson and some other peeps, but a truely terrifying sci-fi read they're my faves from various genre's for want of a better word Harkwyth Harkwyth Designs: Personalized Sigature Design
Kalahari Wayrest	Posted - 2006.08.17 14:14:00 - [34] I would have said Red Dwarf too but wasn't sure if it counted __________________________ Indulge Me
Omber Zombie Gallente Frontier Technologies	Posted - 2006.08.17 14:58:00 - [35] best tv series was Babylon 5 by far. Even the 'crappy' 5th series is better than most other sci-fi tv. The onlyother thing that cameclosewas Space: Above and Beyond. The last 2 episodes of that I consider the best sci-fi ever shown on TV. Movies: Original Star wars is up there, along with ET. Nothing beats 2001: A Space Odyssey tho. ----------------------
Dark Shikari Caldari Imperium Technologies Firmus Ixion	Posted - 2006.08.17 15:03:00 - [36] Red Dwarf is great but its more comedy than scifi --[23] Member-- Originally by: DB Preacher The only time BoB's backs are to the wall is when Backdoor Bandit is in local.
Harkwyth Mist Caldari The Black Ops	Posted - 2006.08.17 15:06:00 - [37] Originally by: Dark Shikari Red Dwarf is great but its more comedy than scifi sacralige! its in a spaceship, its sci-fi end of story Harkwyth Designs: Personalized Sigature Design
Rovol Black Nova Corp Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.08.17 17:40:00 - [38] Got to be Babylon 5.... (and of course Red Dwarf )
Da'Neth Gallente Deadly Alliance	Posted - 2006.08.17 18:21:00 - [39] Originally by: Dark Shikari Um, WHAT?! Stargate is probably one of the most "gritty" mainstream scifi shows ever made. At least compared to Star Trek, BSG, and the other shows on TV these days. It has far fewer cliches and "B-movie garbage" than any show I've seen... well, that is if you ignore the 100th episode, which was designed to be a joke and a parody I mean, only in Stargate can you have a situation where they accidentally gate to a black hole and can't close the gate, and they don't have any magical "shield modulation" or "tetrionic emissions" to do it for them like they do in Star Trek. I'm guessing you've never actually watched Stargate by the tone of your post: there's no way you could possibly be so wrong after having seen it. Heck, its the only scifi TV show currently running where they don't have phasers or magical laser blasters. I agree on most the things you sead but 2 1) BSG is pritty dark and gritty 2) the last part about not having "phasers or magical laser blasters" ummm what do you call zats and staff weppons? or the ori (sp?) wepons. or most of the stuff the gwulde (sp?) used? --- join the DA click above
Dark Shikari Caldari Imperium Technologies Firmus Ixion	Posted - 2006.08.17 18:41:00 - [40] Originally by: Da'Neth I agree on most the things you sead but 2 1) BSG is pritty dark and gritty 2) the last part about not having "phasers or magical laser blasters" ummm what do you call zats and staff weppons? or the ori (sp?) wepons. or most of the stuff the gwulde (sp?) used? Looking back on it, you're right about 1). Should have said "Farscape" not "BSG". But 2)? Yes, there are other happy zappy phaser weapons but generally the humans don't have them, or have few of them, and mainly their enemies have them --[23] Member-- Originally by: DB Preacher The only time BoB's backs are to the wall is when Backdoor Bandit is in local.
Da'Neth Gallente Deadly Alliance	Posted - 2006.08.17 18:46:00 - [41] Originally by: Dark Shikari Looking back on it, you're right about 1). Should have said "Farscape" not "BSG". But 2)? Yes, there are other happy zappy phaser weapons but generally the humans don't have them, or have few of them, and mainly their enemies have them true on both the only thing that SG1 rilly has is thar Guns with A good size zat saply. --- join the DA click above
Tsavong Lah Caldari Solar Storm Axiom Empire	Posted - 2006.08.17 20:39:00 - [42] My faves (series): b5 (seasons 1-4 and some of the films) firefly/serenity (make more dammit!!) sg-1, atlantis bsg (both old and new, hehe) GITS: SAC farscape (until crichton went loopy) clone wars (was cool, in a "samurai jack" way) cowboy bebop outlaw star st-tng/ds9/voyager fave movies: total recall predator 1/2 alien quadrilogy avp star wars trek advent children appleseed remake plus the others most ppl mentioned I got a jar of dirt!
Dark Shikari Caldari Imperium Technologies Firmus Ixion	Posted - 2006.08.17 20:53:00 - [43] Originally by: Tsavong Lah alien quadrilogy avp Are you implying that AvP and Alien Resurrection were good? --[23] Member-- Originally by: DB Preacher The only time BoB's backs are to the wall is when Backdoor Bandit is in local.
Tarquin Tarquinius Gallente	Posted - 2006.08.17 21:55:00 - [44] Edited by: Tarquin Tarquinius on 17/08/2006 21:59:21 COLONY WARS - The greatest space combat game ever (until EVE) the colony wars games are partially what made me want to play EVE. There hasn't been a good, non-Star Wars, space game since. Battlestar Galactica - new series Star Wars - Original Trilogy and books Stargate - Movie and Series Dune - Whoever controls the spice controls the universe Star Trek: First Contact - my fav Star Trek - TNG and DS9. Didn't care for the others The Outer Limits and The Twilight Zone Space: Above and Beyond- this show was a lot like the new BSG. A great show that only ran one or two seasons. Wing Commander Academy - A saturday morning cartoon. The movie ruined it though. ------------------------ The Almighty says this must be a fashionable fight. It's drawn the finest people. - an Amarr Mercenary
Valeo Galaem InterGalactic Corp. Imperial Republic Of the North	Posted - 2006.08.17 22:08:00 - [45] Originally by: Tarquin Tarquinius COLONY WARS - The greatest space combat game ever (until EVE) the colony wars games are partially what made me want to play EVE. There hasn't been a good, non-Star Wars, space game since. One consoles, I would agree, however the best space game would have to go to the FreeSpace series. Oh, and did I mention it went open source years ago and has received constant updates since. Someone even made an installer for all the official campaigns and the biggest mods. HERE. Now, as for television, my top Sci-Fi would definitely be: -Battlestar Galactica (the re-imagined series) -Babylon 5 -Firefly period. Thar be Pirates You are not authorised to hack into CONCORD's mainframe Your Wallet has been emptied! CONCORD Encryption
Thorture Caldari Sona industries Intergalactic Freelance Corporations	Posted - 2006.08.17 22:47:00 - [46] Edited by: Thorture on 17/08/2006 22:49:36 Edited by: Thorture on 17/08/2006 22:47:41 Guess I'm not out of the ordinary here -Farscape (although when in the end it was always unsure if the series get continued it got quite odd in the story -Babylon 5 (after the shadows were defeated it really bored me tho...that whole psi-core war, maybe some ppl liked it..but just wasn't my thing) -Battle Star Galactica (remake...) guess tho from what i read that i should seriously give firefly/serenity and stuff a try tho Movies: Pitch Black/Chronicles of Rid**** (if Darth Vader had Vin Diesel's voice he would actually be intimidating...even after 30 years) Star Wars Saga Matrix (finally philosophy with some good chunk of action) Alien(s) (didn't like the other parts that much tho)

Pirlouit Forum Moderator Interstellar Services Department	Posted - 2006.08.17 23:26:00 - [47] Well, let have a shot at it... Serie: i liked BSG very nicely done also i am a big fan of star trek mainly the TNG and entreprise one. I liked stargate and atlantis too but they stretch it too far. Film: Ghost in the shell (the second movie less so) is very nicely done, i liked dune and alien too. Stargate the movie is also quite good. It may not be a too much scifi movie but men in black was funny in a way like starship trooper. forum rules \| [email protected] \| Our Website! Want to be an EVE-Online forum moderator? click here!

Phoenix vajaa SUBLIME L.L.C. Prime Orbital Systems	Posted - 2006.08.18 00:19:00 - [48] Edited by: Phoenix vajaa on 18/08/2006 00:20:50 BSG new and old. Can't beat the original (omg the machines are killing us.. H4X HAX H4X HAX. DS9 the war really brought some much needed dirt to the shiny trek look. B5, great show loved it all the way through, except for that nastie final movie they done. SG: reruns drive me insane and the new episodes seem to be like.. milk milk milk milk. Firefly was rather meh for me, on the other hand serenity was probably the best space scifi film since firstcontact. movies. V for vendetta is a great film, not really sci-fi as such but for some reason it's classified under it. Chronicals of rid**** are great films, the universe has such potential and i feel it's a huge shame they wont be explored in the scale of star wars. star wars, although i never really had a problem with the last 3 episodes, i do feel they suffered from a bit of yawn, yea it's not looking good for the good guys but meh we know the ending any way. tbh i could go on and on but i wont. edited for red dwarf, best comedy ever. well.... best comedy in sci-fi ever.
Kalahari Wayrest	Posted - 2006.08.18 06:42:00 - [49] could be wrong here but... Quote: Farscape (although when in the end it was always unsure if the series get continued it got quite odd in the story They weren't always unsure if the series would get continued, it was meant to be that odd In fact, they had no idea it would be cancelled; they had a last season written out, but were suddenly dropped before they could shoot it which came as a big shock to them. Unless you mean how the last episode ended, which was a cliffhanger in order to get viewers to want more, which worked as they then did a miniseries/movie called Peacekeeper Wars __________________________ Indulge Me
Mirage Kisaragi Gallente	Posted - 2006.08.18 08:19:00 - [50] Favorite Sci-Fi series has to be Battlestar Galactica, the new series of course.
Lluthiunne Atalaron	Posted - 2006.08.18 09:35:00 - [51] I have watched many stargate episodes DS. They used to be on at 6pm just when I was sitting down to have something to eat. You say they don't do the star trek and solve everything with 'Tachyons' one episode springs to mind where they have to 'fix' a sun before it explodes. This is done through 'enter techno jargon here' which basically amounted to tachyons under a different name. Obviously there are exceptions and i have a bare recollection of watching an episode (or two) and thinking 'ooooo cool' But those were few and far between and for a show going for 7years i would hope that the law of averages would spit at least one decent episode (or two) out. B-movie ish - i recollect cyborgs replacing the SG1 team and one of the characters 'Daniel' reaching a higher 'plane' were he would dispense advice and use his power sparingly to help his old friends. During this transition he becomes a spirit-esque being who it typical spirity like behaviour drops nuggets of nonsensical wisdom and advice while being all aloof and mystical. Obviously Stargate has been going for ages and it must have a great following but i' am not one of them. I cringe at many of the episodes ive watched and generally turn it off. and i love my sci-fi. "What?? I barely tapped him. Old people go down easy."
Dark Shikari Caldari Imperium Technologies Firmus Ixion	Posted - 2006.08.18 11:25:00 - [52] Originally by: Lluthiunne Atalaron I have watched many stargate episodes DS. They used to be on at 6pm just when I was sitting down to have something to eat. You say they don't do the star trek and solve everything with 'Tachyons' one episode springs to mind where they have to 'fix' a sun before it explodes. This is done through 'enter techno jargon here' which basically amounted to tachyons under a different name. Obviously there are exceptions and i have a bare recollection of watching an episode (or two) and thinking 'ooooo cool' But those were few and far between and for a show going for 7years i would hope that the law of averages would spit at least one decent episode (or two) out. B-movie ish - i recollect cyborgs replacing the SG1 team and one of the characters 'Daniel' reaching a higher 'plane' were he would dispense advice and use his power sparingly to help his old friends. During this transition he becomes a spirit-esque being who it typical spirity like behaviour drops nuggets of nonsensical wisdom and advice while being all aloof and mystical. Obviously Stargate has been going for ages and it must have a great following but i' am not one of them. I cringe at many of the episodes ive watched and generally turn it off. and i love my sci-fi. It sounds as if you're falling into the trap of "confirmation bias." You see a couple bad episodes and tons of good ones, and then only remember the bad ones. --[23] Member-- Originally by: DB Preacher The only time BoB's backs are to the wall is when Backdoor Bandit is in local.
Wild Rho Amarr Imperial Shipment	Posted - 2006.08.18 11:45:00 - [53] Edited by: Wild Rho on 18/08/2006 11:46:33 The new battlestar gallactica is definetly my current favourite for so many reasons. Babylon 5 was great mainly becuase of it's huge story arc, realistic(ish) approach to space flight and the fact the characters had real personality. Star gate sg-1 is also a good watch for more or less the same reasons, characters have a real personality, a good sense of humour that works well amoung the drama and action. The only start trek I ever liked was the original. I could watch the next generation happily enough but I loathed deep space 9 and voyager. I never even bothered to watch enterprise and from what I've heard I never missed much. EDIT: Another worthwhile show that was on not too long ago that was enjoyable was Threshold, taking a fairly different approach to alien invasion. Enjoyed it quite a bit and am looking forward to the next season. WE ARE DYSLEXIC OF BORG. Refutance is systile. Your ass will be laminated. - Jennie Marlboro
Bhaal Minmatar M. Corp Lotka Volterra	Posted - 2006.08.18 12:00:00 - [54] Originally by: Wild Rho Edited by: Wild Rho on 18/08/2006 11:46:33 The new battlestar gallactica is definetly my current favourite for so many reasons. Babylon 5 was great mainly becuase of it's huge story arc, realistic(ish) approach to space flight and the fact the characters had real personality. Star gate sg-1 is also a good watch for more or less the same reasons, characters have a real personality, a good sense of humour that works well amoung the drama and action. The only start trek I ever liked was the original. I could watch the next generation happily enough but I loathed deep space 9 and voyager. I never even bothered to watch enterprise and from what I've heard I never missed much. EDIT: Another worthwhile show that was on not too long ago that was enjoyable was Threshold, taking a fairly different approach to alien invasion. Enjoyed it quite a bit and am looking forward to the next season. Enterprise was good IMO... Better than DS9 & Voyager IMO. The writers of Babylon 5 are roumored to be taking over the Star Trek franchinse. I'd love to see what thay could do with it... Star Trek was never gritty enough IMO. ------------------------------------------------ Current Hobby other than EVE My Hero
Jenny Spitfire Caldari LoneStar Industries Veritas Immortalis	Posted - 2006.08.18 12:06:00 - [55] Originally by: Bhaal Enterprise was good IMO... Better than DS9 & Voyager IMO. Same for me. DS9 puts me to sleep. Voyager was only good in the first season. Enterprise was a good watch after TNG. I am waiting for EvE - The Series. --------- In the blindness, a streak fiery thread violently cuts the horizon. Bleeding golden mists, engulfing the blindness from within. Burning the darkness. The touch of dawn.
Bhaal Minmatar M. Corp Lotka Volterra	Posted - 2006.08.18 12:11:00 - [56] Edited by: Bhaal on 18/08/2006 12:16:35 Originally by: Jenny Spitfire Originally by: Bhaal Enterprise was good IMO... Better than DS9 & Voyager IMO. Same for me. DS9 puts me to sleep. Voyager was only good in the first season. Enterprise was a good watch after TNG. I am waiting for EvE - The Series. Can you imagine if they made an EVE movie and used real characters from the game? Too bad I look nothing like my character ( I do look alot like my original character though...), I don't really have the acting bug, but would jump at the chance to be in a Sci-Fi film... I guess it would make more sense to make an EVE movie fully CGI anyways... ------------------------------------------------ Current Hobby other than EVE My Hero
Lluthiunne Atalaron	Posted - 2006.08.18 13:18:00 - [57] Originally by: Dark Shikari It sounds as if you're falling into the trap of "confirmation bias." You see a couple bad episodes and tons of good ones, and then only remember the bad ones. lol you make me laugh sometimes, Sounds to me like you can't grasp the concept of other people having an opinion opposite from your own. I don't have the pleasure of using a selective memory. If I did, I would selective eliminate all those episodes I stupidly sat through. Out of curiosity DS have you ever been described as being egotistical at all? BSG is gritty, stargate is most definetly not. It borders on comical I did struggle to quantify my reactions to it there. Watching Stargate after 30minutes or even sometimes a whole episode, evokes a response of: 'lol, wtf was that, lol, neeeeeeeext' As an example of this I did the same during a BSG episode where Starbuck climbs inside a Cylon ship and: A) Patches it up by sealing a hole through which the cold vacuum of space would ultimately kill her. With her jacket! B) using a convieyant space for a human and controls that again seem to be created with the distinct purpose of allowing a human(oid) pilot to control it. Even the though the ship itself is a entity that controls its own actions. I sat there watching it think Come on, wtf is up with that while chuckling to myself. Thats the response I ultimately get from Stargate. No I can't remember EVERY episode I watched but I can remember all those times I burst out laughing and changed the channel. "What?? I barely tapped him. Old people go down easy."
Dark Shikari Caldari Imperium Technologies Firmus Ixion	Posted - 2006.08.18 13:43:00 - [58] Edited by: Dark Shikari on 18/08/2006 13:46:25 Originally by: Lluthiunne Atalaron Originally by: Dark Shikari It sounds as if you're falling into the trap of "confirmation bias." You see a couple bad episodes and tons of good ones, and then only remember the bad ones. lol you make me laugh sometimes, Sounds to me like you can't grasp the concept of other people having an opinion opposite from your own. I don't have the pleasure of using a selective memory. If I did, I would selective eliminate all those episodes I stupidly sat through. Out of curiosity DS have you ever been described as being egotistical at all? BSG is gritty, stargate is most definetly not. It borders on comical I did struggle to quantify my reactions to it there. Watching Stargate after 30minutes or even sometimes a whole episode, evokes a response of: 'lol, wtf was that, lol, neeeeeeeext' The reason why I cannot comprehend that this is your "opinion" is that you've given a few examples of bad episodes and no examples of good ones: every "description" you've posted of something in Stargate is a description of a rare bad episode or plot hole, while you have yet to post one of the millions of good things about the show. If you posted an episode I thought was awesome and said "well I don't like this", I could understand it. What you're doing here is saying "all vegetables suck! I mean, taste this Zuchinni, its horrible!" and I say "but what about corn and carrots?" and you say "god, not only is zuchinni bad... you ever tried brussels sprouts? They're horrible!" I could use the exact same argument to say that anything in the world is bad. For example, I could grade Ghost in the Shell: Standalone Complex entirely on the first and third episode and the tachikoma specials. I could grade BSG entirely on the one episode I've seen of it, which would imply that the whole series sucks horribly (I haven't done this however, because I don't believe watching one episode gives me enough information to grade the whole series. However, based on the one episode it looked like MISERABLE contrived scifi mytho-babble). If you want to be able to make a valid complaint against Stargate, go find the episode where they accidentally gate to a black hole, watch it, and then post your complaints about that episode (its one of my favorite). Don't just post vague comments about something you didn't like without mentioning anything good whatsoever: it implies that you're cherrypicking things you don't like to avoid admitting that Stargate is the best American Sci-Fi series in two decades. --[23] Member-- Originally by: DB Preacher The only time BoB's backs are to the wall is when Backdoor Bandit is in local.
Winter Star Caldari Back Home In Time For Tea And Medals	Posted - 2006.08.18 14:02:00 - [59] Er no, it shows that based on evidence he's seen he didn't like what he saw...... wake up. Not everyone is going to enjoy the same stuff. Let it go, so we can get back to what was a decent topic. You like Stargate - he doesn't - the world wont end if you disagree, you wont change his mind, so you can't win. Give up! Back on track.. Star Wars was what got me started on sci-fi and after that I watched ST:tNG and B5 religiously while they were on - B5 was the better in my view as it wasn't so starched and cleansed. Star Trek is the maxis of Sci-Fi . Recently BSG has interested me and some of the ideas and surprises have been great, however there have also been some howlers. I would love for someone to pick up B5 again :(
Dark Shikari Caldari Imperium Technologies Firmus Ixion	Posted - 2006.08.18 14:07:00 - [60] Originally by: Winter Star Er no, it shows that based on evidence he's seen he didn't like what he saw...... wake up. Not everyone is going to enjoy the same stuff. Let it go, so we can get back to what was a decent topic. You like Stargate - he doesn't - the world wont end if you disagree, you wont change his mind, so you can't win. Give up! Uh, huh? I was simply asking him what he didn't like about the show, and all he gave were a few specific examples of things I didn't really like either. By your logic, I absolutely hate the show, since I agree with him. --[23] Member-- Originally by: DB Preacher The only time BoB's backs are to the wall is when Backdoor Bandit is in local.

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