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Henry Plantgenet Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation 8	Posted - 2014.10.19 20:47:00 - [1] - Quote Now when your pod gets tackled you go to your character sheet and unplug al your hardwires and implants so your pod killmail will be worthless. I am proposing Pods become like ships with PVP timers that you can't unplug the hardwirings/implants. (ships and T3s can't be ejected from with weapons timer)
Ghaustyl Kathix Rising Thunder 33	Posted - 2014.10.19 20:51:00 - [2] - Quote Henry Plantgenet wrote: Now when your pod gets tackled you go to your character sheet and unplug al your hardwires and implants so your pod killmail will be worthless. If you have the time to do that, your opponents did something very wrong and deserve the loss of a shinier kill-mail.
James Baboli Ferrous Infernum 131	Posted - 2014.10.19 20:53:00 - [3] - Quote or they are setting up to ***** on the killmail, which should be punished by a less shiny km if they are too slow. That crazy bag FC with the silly things on the hull that shouldn't but just did.
Zan Shiro Alternative Enterprises 513	Posted - 2014.10.19 22:05:00 - [4] - Quote Ghaustyl Kathix wrote: Henry Plantgenet wrote: Now when your pod gets tackled you go to your character sheet and unplug al your hardwires and implants so your pod killmail will be worthless. If you have the time to do that, your opponents did something very wrong and deserve the loss of a shinier kill-mail. this..... pod lock and pop is no time at all compared to pulling a set of implants. Especially with the target trying to spam warp out at the same time until scrammed. WHoever fast locked for the scram should be pressing f1 and finishing this quickly. Sounds like op's crew is doing the ole hey everyone run a train on the mail thing (which is why imo isk efficiency one of the most useless stats in eve....its easily padded to be of no true value). If they'd just pop the pod this a non issue. Waiting for the slow ass targetter not sebo scan res'd....there goes the juicier km. Solution there real simple, tell the slow targetter to run sebo scan res'd, train elec. skills, or just tell him he is SOL and pop the pod.
Leonard Nimoy II Dark Force Protectorate Special Operators Federation Alliance 31	Posted - 2014.10.19 22:07:00 - [5] - Quote no thx.
Henry Plantgenet Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation 9	Posted - 2014.10.19 22:22:00 - [6] - Quote I just had some PVP action on my alt. She had 5 +4s in and she was in a catalyst so easy target. I started yanking implants when i was in a bubble so that the killmail purposefully would show an empty clone. got podded, showed an empty pod on the mail, and i feel like i won the isk war. took me about 5 seconds to unplug it all and i feel slightly dirty for skewing the killmails out of that fight.
Nevyn Auscent Broke Sauce 1610	Posted - 2014.10.19 22:40:00 - [7] - Quote Does yanking Implants destroy them. Yes. Does shooting the pod destroy them. Yes. Not seeing how this is exploiting the system, either way everything gets destroyed.
Onslaughtor Occult National Security 102	Posted - 2014.10.19 23:02:00 - [8] - Quote Stats... lol Clearly pods should not have killmails. Suddenly it goes from the statistic whoring and moves on to something more personal..
NEONOVUS Diabolically Sexy Eureka-Secret Science R Us 939	Posted - 2014.10.19 23:15:00 - [9] - Quote Onslaughtor wrote: Stats... lol Clearly pods should not have killmails. Suddenly it goes from the statistic whoring and moves on to something more personal.. Agreed, medical insurance rate adjustments are thorough for sure
Tappits North Eastern Swat Pandemic Legion 59	Posted - 2014.10.19 23:45:00 - [10] - Quote Henry Plantgenet wrote: I just had some PVP action on my alt. She had 5 +4s in and she was in a catalyst so easy target. I started yanking implants when i was in a bubble so that the killmail purposefully would show an empty clone. got podded, showed an empty pod on the mail, and i feel like i won the isk war. took me about 5 seconds to unplug it all and i feel slightly dirty for skewing the killmails out of that fight. Who cares,,, sounds super tryhard. and a wast of dev time.
Mharius Skjem Republic University Minmatar Republic 19	Posted - 2014.10.19 23:50:00 - [11] - Quote Henry Plantgenet wrote: I just had some PVP action on my alt. She had 5 +4s in and she was in a catalyst so easy target. I started yanking implants when i was in a bubble so that the killmail purposefully would show an empty clone. got podded, showed an empty pod on the mail, and i feel like i won the isk war. took me about 5 seconds to unplug it all and i feel slightly dirty for skewing the killmails out of that fight. There's nothing wrong with souring the enemy km. If you can't win, lose on your own terms. A recovering btter vet, -áwith a fresh toon and a determination to like everything that CCP does to Eve...
Zan Shiro Alternative Enterprises 513	Posted - 2014.10.20 00:04:00 - [12] - Quote Henry Plantgenet wrote: I just had some PVP action on my alt. She had 5 +4s in and she was in a catalyst so easy target. I started yanking implants when i was in a bubble so that the killmail purposefully would show an empty clone. got podded, showed an empty pod on the mail, and i feel like i won the isk war. took me about 5 seconds to unplug it all and i feel slightly dirty for skewing the killmails out of that fight. the isk war is won (edit: for the person who popped you) if you can't keep up replacing stuff chief.....not a stat on a killboard. Example: Goons vs Test. Goons broke test's wallet. They could not run FRP/SRP well and as individuals many could not keep up personal replacements. towards the end test could not man fleets full strength due to lack of isk. This an isk war win. Now lets have you decide to hunt down I don't know, lets say chribba. Your goal in life is to pop him every chance you can get. If you kill him 3 times a week with 1 bil implant sets....you still aren't winning an isk war with him. He probably makes this on just a few mommy 3rd party holding transactions. Amongst his other ventures. YOu see...you made him lose 3 bil in one week. He made say 6. he is still positive isk flow and you haven't even chipped away at his wallet.
Brigadine Ferathine Dream Warriors 19	Posted - 2014.10.20 04:26:00 - [13] - Quote Henry Plantgenet wrote: Now when your pod gets tackled you go to your character sheet and unplug al your hardwires and implants so your pod killmail will be worthless. I am proposing Pods become like ships with PVP timers that you can't unplug the hardwirings/implants. (ships and T3s can't be ejected from with weapons timer) What annoys me is they could hold you all day long. No incentive to kill you. Just sit there with a web/scram on you downtime to downtime. At least the way it is they have some sense of urgency to finish you. I like the way it is so I can carry on my day, we don't need to give the space trolls another tool to troll with. Bad Idea
Tabyll Altol Breaking.Bad Circle-Of-Two 28	Posted - 2014.10.20 06:34:00 - [14] - Quote Henry Plantgenet wrote: Now when your pod gets tackled you go to your character sheet and unplug al your hardwires and implants so your pod killmail will be worthless. I am proposing Pods become like ships with PVP timers that you can't unplug the hardwirings/implants. (ships and T3s can't be ejected from with weapons timer) really is it that hard for you to kill a pod ? -1
Gadget Helmsdottir Gadget's Workshop 38	Posted - 2014.10.20 08:15:00 - [15] - Quote /headdesk /headdesk /headdeak /headdesk Gadget attempting to destroy her implants
Arronicus Bitter Lemons Brothers of Tangra 1162	Posted - 2014.10.20 09:16:00 - [16] - Quote I fail to see the problem here. considering one volley from any ship will destroy a capsule, the only time you would destroy your implants is when you have been tackled, but your aggressors are holding off on destroying you. In which case, they are giving you time to mitigate your killmail value. The onus should be on the attacker of whether to stall the kill, and lose implants on the mail, or to just kill you right away and get them. No fix needed.
Ix Method Brutor Tribe Minmatar Republic 187	Posted - 2014.10.20 10:14:00 - [17] - Quote +1 People this desperate to nurse their killboard will cry the loudest when it's ruined, isn't that really what it's all about in the end? Killboards are daft enough in the first place but given they're inevitable they may aswell be accurate. Travelling at the speed of love.
Vesan Terakol Capsuleer Outfitters Bad Intention 101	Posted - 2014.10.20 11:37:00 - [18] - Quote I have always laughed at the very notion of reducing the value of the kill mail. Implant unplug being the less daft of the two cases i've encountered, jettisoning cargo being the worse. As far as implants are concerned, I mean, how does it matter? You have lost the set, the opponent has won. Whether you deny him the intel / bragging rights, you've still lost. Or if you are the one who caught that pod - your opponent isn't keeping all those implants hidden somewhere. They're gone! The extreme case is the cargo jettison, where you allow every single item to go reliably in the hands of your opponent just so it doesn't show up on your kill board. Now, comparing this to bailing out of strategic cruisers has no ground to step on. You can't bail out of a ship as a consequence of people using that to avoid skill loss - an intended balance feature of strategic cruisers. So, think about it! Cant you just accept that you've won? https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=4259327 - more suff in the Zero.Zero collection
Lloyd Roses Blue-Fire 722	Posted - 2014.10.20 12:19:00 - [19] - Quote Henry Plantgenet wrote: Now when your pod gets tackled you go to your character sheet and unplug al your hardwires and implants so your pod killmail will be worthless. I am proposing Pods become like ships with PVP timers that you can't unplug the hardwirings/implants. (ships and T3s can't be ejected from with weapons timer) Easy tip: Just don't hold the pod until even the Drake and the Raven whores onto it. Just shoot it. Because, the only way you'd care about that would be by being a killmail-*****. "I honestly thought I was in lowsec"
Bagrat Skalski Poseidaon 4843	Posted - 2014.10.20 12:55:00 - [20] - Quote Lat them remove their implants, they will not hide it from themselves. [url]https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=377706&find=unread[/url]
Phoenix Jones Isogen 5 788	Posted - 2014.10.20 14:41:50 - [21] - Quote Honestly, should make it that you cannot unplug implants or plug implants in unless you are in a station. That's address that whole issue Yaay!!!!
Hopelesshobo Tactical Nuclear Penguin's 339	Posted - 2014.10.20 17:33:56 - [22] - Quote So, should we also change it so you cannot deploy a mobile depot, or refit from a carrier under an aggression timer because someone could swap out their shiny stuff, and jettison it into a can, and blow the can up, just to prevent the shiny killmail from happening? I'm sorry, but isk efficiency, as previously stated, is a joke. 100 guys hit F1 on a target that is worth 1 billion isk. They all do an equal amount of damage when the target explodes. They all get credit for 1 billion isk killed, which means a total of 100 billion isk was killed??? When how it should work is... 100 guys hit F1 on a target that is worth 1 billion isk. They all do an equal amount of damage when the target explodes. They all get credit for 10 million isk killed, which means a total of 1 billion isk was killed. Lowering the average to make you look better since 2012.
Soldarius Deadman W0nderland 850	Posted - 2014.10.20 20:20:46 - [23] - Quote You know.... sigh Either way, they lost their implants. "Remember remember the 4th of November!" Phoebe. Coming soon to Eve Online.
Swiftstrike1 Swiftstrike Incorporated 794	Posted - 2014.10.20 20:27:19 - [24] - Quote This comes up again and again. I will make the point that I always make: Yanking out the implants makes your pod less valuable, which reduces bounty payouts. As there is absolutely no way to counter this, it constitutes unbalanced gameplay. That said, it's a very low priority issue and I have no idea how hard it would be to implement the fix (no unplugging while you have a PvP timer). Targeting, Sensors and ECM Overhaul
Estella Osoka Perkone Caldari State 496	Posted - 2014.10.20 20:36:19 - [25] - Quote Swiftstrike1 wrote: This comes up again and again. I will make the point that I always make: Yanking out the implants makes your pod less valuable, which reduces bounty payouts. As there is absolutely no way to counter this, it constitutes unbalanced gameplay. That said, it's a very low priority issue and I have no idea how hard it would be to implement the fix (no unplugging while you have a PvP timer). The bounty paid is based on the cost of the ship destroyed. Not the pod.
Vas Vadum Viziam Amarr Empire 79	Posted - 2014.10.20 21:26:48 - [26] - Quote I agree to some extent with this, not related to killmails though. I don't think it is very logical to do brain surgery on yourself in space to remove or add implants. This should be set to be possible only in stations. Maybe even, only in stations with medical bays to make it a little more interesting, so that you have to carry your implants to a station capable of putting them in.
Zan Shiro Alternative Enterprises 515	Posted - 2014.10.20 22:15:10 - [27] - Quote Soldarius wrote: You know.... sigh Either way, they lost their implants. I blame these people parents. they didn't seem to raise their child with a sense of internal self worth so that reliance on trivial external things defines their value as a human being. Put another they need km e-peen to say I accomplished something. Sad really. SOme of my most memorable km's have been relatively low isk value. The pride I have in them based on how hard it was or I took a gamble and won. Like one km where me an my crow tackler (old school crow long before even rocket buff years ago...you know back when crow was in the running for the worst interceptor in game) rushed a falcon and popped itl Took our chances on the falcon permajamming.....and lady luck favored us. Well that and isk stats useless imo. I make no claim of being a great pvp'er. ISk related pvp stats though have me most outstanding. When you press f1 on at least 8 caps a night a few nights a week over months....you rack up some isk totals on a kb. Stuff does wonders. You can die like a muppet in a hac and those mistakes just vanish mathematically real fast.
Ghaustyl Kathix Rising Thunder 38	Posted - 2014.10.21 03:55:34 - [28] - Quote Hopelesshobo wrote: 100 guys hit F1 on a target that is worth 1 billion isk. They all do an equal amount of damage when the target explodes. They all get credit for 1 billion isk killed, which means a total of 100 billion isk was killed??? Uhh, there are absolutely no killboard sites that track it that way. The corp those 100 pilots are in, for example, only gets credit for that 1bil.
Hopelesshobo Tactical Nuclear Penguin's 339	Posted - 2014.10.21 07:42:18 - [29] - Quote Ghaustyl Kathix wrote: Hopelesshobo wrote: 100 guys hit F1 on a target that is worth 1 billion isk. They all do an equal amount of damage when the target explodes. They all get credit for 1 billion isk killed, which means a total of 100 billion isk was killed??? Uhh, there are absolutely no killboard sites that track it that way. The corp those 100 pilots are in, for example, only gets credit for that 1bil. The corporation doesn't, but every pilot still gets credit for 1 billion isk destroyed. Lowering the average to make you look better since 2012.
Reaver Glitterstim Dromedaworks inc Test Alliance Please Ignore 1867	Posted - 2014.10.21 08:09:48 - [30] - Quote Henry Plantgenet wrote: Now when your pod gets tackled you go to your character sheet and unplug al your hardwires and implants so your pod killmail will be worthless. I am proposing Pods become like ships with PVP timers that you can't unplug the hardwirings/implants. (ships and T3s can't be ejected from with weapons timer) I agree, and I vote for a 5 second timer. No longer. Fit a warfare link to your tech 1 battlecruiser. Train Wing Commander. Get in the Squad Commander or Wing Commander position. Your fleets will be superior to everyone else's. (had this sig BEFORE Odyssey BC rebalance) "What if [climate change is] a big hoax and we create a better world for nothing?" -comic on Greenmonk
Syrias Bizniz Zebra Corp The Bastion 361	Posted - 2014.10.21 11:21:32 - [31] - Quote If you have a high bounty on your head, a snakeset in it, jump through a null-gate and realize you're not making it out, all you gotta do is unplug imps, and by this you DENY TONS OF BOUNTY TO YOUR RIGHTFUL KILLERS. This is the problem. It's not about the killboards or anything, it's about the possibility to dodge bounty payments and/or LP reward.
Luscius Uta 109	Posted - 2014.10.21 11:33:00 - [32] - Quote Henry Plantgenet wrote: I just had some PVP action on my alt. She had 5 +4s in and she was in a catalyst so easy target. I started yanking implants when i was in a bubble so that the killmail purposefully would show an empty clone. got podded, showed an empty pod on the mail, and i feel like i won the isk war. took me about 5 seconds to unplug it all and i feel slightly dirty for skewing the killmails out of that fight. But you still lost the ISK war, as you lost your implants anyway and destructing them didn't made you any profit, or lessened your loss. You just kinda cheated the game mechanics to make it look you didn't had those implants. To me, it's a lame method, just like self-destructing your ship in a POS to avoid it ending up on a killmail. People hate highsec for various reasons. Mine is the terrible metallic music that plays on and on.
Notorious Fellon 347	Posted - 2014.10.21 13:29:32 - [33] - Quote Oh noes! Your precious killboard stats! Seriously?
Bastion Arzi Mortis Angelus The Kadeshi 134	Posted - 2014.10.21 14:57:59 - [34] - Quote Nevyn Auscent wrote: Does yanking Implants destroy them. Yes. Does shooting the pod destroy them. Yes. Not seeing how this is exploiting the system, either way everything gets destroyed. it affects your efficiency rating on eve kill and similar sites. Also reduces the enemies joy.
Lady Rift What Shall We Call It 92	Posted - 2014.10.21 16:27:59 - [35] - Quote Bastion Arzi wrote: Nevyn Auscent wrote: Does yanking Implants destroy them. Yes. Does shooting the pod destroy them. Yes. Not seeing how this is exploiting the system, either way everything gets destroyed. it affects your efficiency rating on eve kill and similar sites. Also reduces the enemies joy. Then the enemy should learn to f1 faster shouldn't they. Eve is all about getting the edge on the opponent.
Domanique Altares Rifterlings Point Blank Alliance 3401	Posted - 2014.10.21 17:01:55 - [36] - Quote Luscius Uta wrote: destructing them didn't made you any profit It profits me in tears. Especially when they know I have them and are trying to ransom, or get all their buddies to *** on the mail. I get the last laugh on the apparently important km stats when they pop an empty pod and I wake up in station, update my clone, and plug in the fresh set of implants that's already waiting. (Always buy in bulk for best discount.) If you have a pod tackled and are playing -** instead of pressing F1 to pop it immediately, you deserve to lose proof of whatever they had in their head. "i advice you to go spit on the back of someone else because you are fall on the wrong horse." - Meio Rayliegh
Barbara Nichole Cryogenic Consultancy 649	Posted - 2014.10.21 18:57:09 - [37] - Quote Henry Plantgenet wrote: Now when your pod gets tackled you go to your character sheet and unplug al your hardwires and implants so your pod killmail will be worthless. I am proposing Pods become like ships with PVP timers that you can't unplug the hardwirings/implants. (ships and T3s can't be ejected from with weapons timer) good luck getting them out in time... lol -á-á- remove the cloaked from local; free intel is the real problem, not-á "afk" cloaking-á- [IMG]http://i12.photobucket.com/albums/a208/DawnFrostbringer/consultsig.jpg[/IMG]
Summer Isle Autumn Industrial Enterprises 130	Posted - 2014.10.21 19:28:13 - [38] - Quote Occasionally, when I catch a pod, I'll simply hold on to them for a good 30 seconds before letting them go. Personally, I like the ability to rip out implants. I'll probably never know if the pods I've let go actually pulled theirs out, but if even one did, well, it made up for the lost kills on the other pods. -áTalk is cheap, but Void S and Quake L are cheaper.

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