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Nama Saya
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Posted - 2006.08.18 12:20:00 -
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Edited by: Nama Saya on 18/08/2006 12:30:49
Name: DeathWand
Variation: 'Ramanov' DeathWand (Named)
Based on the brilliant books of the SF writer Dan Simmons. DeathWand Wiki info
DeathWands in the books of Dan Simmons are highly controversial of the way the target dies. (brain will be a boiling mass)
Damage type: 'scrambles' every neuron in the brains of its targets resulting in the instantaneous kill (pod kill) of the pilot. This means the ship is empty of a pilot, resulting that it can be boarded by another pilot. (Part is quoted from Wiki).
As with warp scrambling, a message will appear on the screen that the device is activated. Only now a 2 minute counter will be shown. The activation cannot be stopped.
When the DeathWand is active in 'high sec' near public places as stargates or stations, Concorde will attack. The DeathWand cannot be used in missions.
DeathWand Ray Gun:
Effect: invisible
Activation Cost: 5100
Cpu Usage: 570 CPU
Power grid Usage: 16800 MW
Area of effect: 500 meters (600 meters for the 'Ramanov')
Charge type: Ray Gun Cell
Damage: 100.000 neuron
Mass: 35 kg
Volume: 350 m3
Requires target lock
Requires 1 high slot.
Time to activate: 2 minutes.
Duration: 5 seconds
Reactivation delay: 1.200,00 sec
Primary Skills:
Science = 5
Biology = 5
Survey = 5
Archaeology 3
Sleeper Technology = 3
Secondary Skills:
Engineering = 5
Electronics = 5
Energy Management = 5
Cost:
DeathWand Ray Gun: 500-700 mil.
Ammo: 10-15 mil. per charge
Suggested counter measures:
Stay out of the Area of Effect range
Jamming to prevent lock
Warp stabilisers
Kill the ship with the DeathWand before it gets in range.
Eject from you ship to save you pod if the above are no option.
Please give feedback what you think of it, what needs to be changed. What needs to be added or removed.
Two things are infinite: the universe and human stupidity; and I'm not sure
about the the universe
Albert Einstein |
Ellaine TashMurkon
MetaForge
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Posted - 2006.08.18 13:07:00 -
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Short range personal weapon? Useless.
As from Wiki, if few kilometers of notmal ground were to shield planeteers from some uber version of this weapon (wiping a whole planet off population is a scale above Eve titans doomsday devices), then meters of superadvanced armor and superadvanced shipeld on top of it, and supershielded pod, with uber secure life support system inside, will for sure protect anyone from that punny little weapon :)
And, battleship has about 6000 crew. Kill everyone and You have a battleship that cant fly, even with a pod pilot inside :)
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Nama Saya
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Posted - 2006.08.18 13:21:00 -
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Edited by: Nama Saya on 18/08/2006 13:22:15
 Originally by: Ellaine TashMurkon
Short range personal weapon? Useless.
As from Wiki, if few kilometers of notmal ground were to shield planeteers from some uber version of this weapon (wiping a whole planet off population is a scale above Eve titans doomsday devices), then meters of superadvanced armor and superadvanced shipeld on top of it, and supershielded pod, with uber secure life support system inside, will for sure protect anyone from that punny little weapon :)
And, battleship has about 6000 crew. Kill everyone and You have a battleship that cant fly, even with a pod pilot inside :)
The id is from the books. I used and changed it. It should be nothing likes the doomsday device. I put the link in to get some id. Also to credit Dan Simmons for the id.
As for the crew, no specs says anything about 6000 crew. In the books yes, but not in EVE. You pilot the BS. If it used 6000 crew, then my BS does use the same won't it.
Anyway, you might not have read the books, please do if you like reading. Brilliant is just a way of explaning how good Dan Simmons is. In the book there is even een hand helt version of the DeathWand.
Important is that I used the id and changed it. There is no option at all to hijack a ship in EVE. Also, I't won't be that easy to use this weapon.
Two things are infinite: the universe and human stupidity; and I'm not sure
about the the universe
Albert Einstein |
Waragha
Art of War
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Posted - 2006.08.18 14:02:00 -
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No! 
Originally by: Trepkos
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The only difference between GS and NPC's are that GS respawn quicker.
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Evelgrivion
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Posted - 2006.08.18 14:43:00 -
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EVE is NOT a game of Ultimate weapons; "I Win" Buttons are absolutely not needed for this game; it would ruin the game.
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Ellaine TashMurkon
MetaForge
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Posted - 2006.08.18 15:13:00 -
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6000 person BS crew is mentioned in background stories :)
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Nama Saya
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Posted - 2006.08.18 15:19:00 -
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Originally by: Evelgrivion
EVE is NOT a game of Ultimate weapons; "I Win" Buttons are absolutely not needed for this game; it would ruin the game.
You cleary missing the point here. This is not at all such a weapon. Doomsday, yes but this.
You think you can remain for 2 min. at 500 meters then good luck. Because of the specs, you won't have much self defence and as stated in the bottom of the tread, you can do lots to get away.
I must say you did not read the tread but jumped to conclusions. I bet they said this for the smartbomb as well. Rig a apoc with smartys in high will do some serious damage. This however is directed to 1 target only.
It takes 2 min. before the device is active. If you can't defend youself or are unable to get out of 500 meters, then you might consider not wandering in low sec at all.
I expected this but not without constructed critasisme.
Two things are infinite: the universe and human stupidity; and I'm not sure
about the the universe
Albert Einstein |
Nama Saya
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Posted - 2006.08.18 15:20:00 -
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Originally by: Ellaine TashMurkon
6000 person BS crew is mentioned in background stories :)
So many corpses. Might as well eject from your ship in order to save so many souls 
Two things are infinite: the universe and human stupidity; and I'm not sure
about the the universe
Albert Einstein |
Ellaine TashMurkon
MetaForge
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Posted - 2006.08.18 15:23:00 -
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corpses are not generated because they all evaporate in explosion :)
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Nama Saya
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Posted - 2006.08.18 15:31:00 -
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Edited by: Nama Saya on 18/08/2006 15:34:29
Originally by: Ellaine TashMurkon
corpses are not generated because they all evaporate in explosion :)
True, so I need my own crew to take over the ship.
I'm waiting for pirates to give there opinion. I mean, blowing up a ship is very nice to do, but getting that raven for example earns you 100 mil. Well you need to use the weapon about 5-7 times successfull to buy the weapon back but then the fun can begin.
Along with the high price, you also need high skills.
I think it's time to get somebody's ship. You can steal a ship if someone left it in a SS. You can hijack if you can make somebody eject from there ship, which rarely happen. Now you can ransom somebody, hijack somebody or instant pod kill him
Randsom is going to be likely since you will get his ship if he does not pay. Don't forget that he won't get any insurance! 
That leaves just one more thing. What happens when the person self destructs? Not sure about that.
Two things are infinite: the universe and human stupidity; and I'm not sure
about the the universe
Albert Einstein |
Ellaine TashMurkon
MetaForge
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Posted - 2006.08.18 15:45:00 -
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Kidnaping ships is much fun but very hard to make it economically balanced. Thats why its not implamented, I think. Especially agains NPCs.
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Nama Saya
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Posted - 2006.08.18 15:54:00 -
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Originally by: Ellaine TashMurkon
Kidnaping ships is much fun but very hard to make it economically balanced. Thats why its not implamented, I think. Especially agains NPCs.
I agree with the NPC part. No way you can use it. Else we all fly a faction BS. I play EVE for 1 year now and have not seen a treat with a weapon like this.
Maya, if your out there, I think you should know.
I think it is not easy to get your hands on such a weapon, because of the price. Not only that. If you get destroyed, changes are that your can drops that weapon, making the target maybe +500 mil richer!
I think it's nicely balanced but if you Ellaine or anyone else have ids to make it harder then please comment to this tread.
Two things are infinite: the universe and human stupidity; and I'm not sure
about the the universe
Albert Einstein |
Vera Nosfyu
Minmatar
Stormriders
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Posted - 2006.08.18 16:01:00 -
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Wow, that was the best laugh I've had in days. Any more brilliant ideas, Saya?
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"Violence solves all problems, no man, no problem." --Josef Stalin |
Nama Saya
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Posted - 2006.08.18 16:13:00 -
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Originally by: Vera Nosfyu
Wow, that was the best laugh I've had in days. Any more brilliant ideas, Saya?
 working on it Vera. Happy to put a smile on your face
Two things are infinite: the universe and human stupidity; and I'm not sure
about the the universe
Albert Einstein |
Reggie Stoneloader
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Posted - 2006.08.18 18:54:00 -
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Ship stealing just doesn't work. It comes down to insurance. If you get insurance for ships stolen in this way, then you strap one of these things to an alt and make 100 million isk every two minutes for a month. If you don't get insurance, then you lose 100% of your ship, setup and implants every time this thing fires.
The cost won't stop anyone. A lot of people have shield boosters that cost twice the price of this mod, and many PvPers are subsidized by 0.0 raven alts or EULA violations.
The only way for this to work is for it to be incredibly unlikely to succeed. So unlikely, in fact, that you're better off just scrambling the guy and promising not to pod him if he ejects and goes away. So just do it that way.
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Nir
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Posted - 2006.08.18 19:46:00 -
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Give this man a job CCP.
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Vera Nosfyu
Minmatar
Stormriders
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Posted - 2006.08.18 19:53:00 -
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Originally by: Reggie Stoneloader
Ship stealing just doesn't work. It comes down to insurance. If you get insurance for ships stolen in this way, then you strap one of these things to an alt and make 100 million isk every two minutes for a month. If you don't get insurance, then you lose 100% of your ship, setup and implants every time this thing fires.
The cost won't stop anyone. A lot of people have shield boosters that cost twice the price of this mod, and many PvPers are subsidized by 0.0 raven alts or EULA violations.
The only way for this to work is for it to be incredibly unlikely to succeed. So unlikely, in fact, that you're better off just scrambling the guy and promising not to pod him if he ejects and goes away. So just do it that way.
Even making it unlikely won't stop people from making crazy amounts of money by way of insurance fraud. Let's say it works 1% of the time, practically useless in combat terms. The module takes 2 minutes to use. So now get ten of your friends together and start using it on your own insured ships, at a safe spot, in they're in your corp you can even do it in empire. Every two minutes you have a 10% chance of getting 80mil, free. Divide that ten ways and you've got 8 mil each. After about an hour the chance of it not working becomes statistically insigificant (.9^30). You're now making 8m an hour at no risk to yourself whatsoever and requiring so little effort that even I could write a macro for it.
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"Violence solves all problems, no man, no problem." --Josef Stalin |
Ellaine TashMurkon
MetaForge
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Posted - 2006.08.18 20:13:00 -
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You simply need to do it on a mothership for better effect :)
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Twilight Moon
Minmatar
eXceed Inc.
Ascendant Frontier
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Posted - 2006.08.19 09:31:00 -
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To be honest....it sounds like Harry Potter in space.
...on the other hand using a banana might be a viable alternative.
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Nama Saya
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Posted - 2006.08.19 11:07:00 -
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Originally by: Reggie Stoneloader
Ship stealing just doesn't work. It comes down to insurance. If you get insurance for ships stolen in this way, then you strap one of these things to an alt and make 100 million isk every two minutes for a month. If you don't get insurance, then you lose 100% of your ship, setup and implants every time this thing fires.
The cost won't stop anyone. A lot of people have shield boosters that cost twice the price of this mod, and many PvPers are subsidized by 0.0 raven alts or EULA violations.
The only way for this to work is for it to be incredibly unlikely to succeed. So unlikely, in fact, that you're better off just scrambling the guy and promising not to pod him if he ejects and goes away. So just do it that way.
The insurance should not be on it when you board someone else his ship. I think it is very rare that somebody ejects in order to save his pod. Having implants in 0.0 is a huge risk anyway.
I think it is very unlikely that that you can succeed with this mod taken the 2 min activation time and the distance. Using it in empire will be impossible. You can activate it on a planet and warp to a gate, Concorde will take you out immidately. Randsoms are often not accepted. It means even with expensive mods like the shield boosters, if you are loosing the fight, you lose them anyway.
So if it is to easy as it is now, maybe the activation time needs to go up. Furhter on, there should be a shield that protects you from this.
So 100mil every 2 min is not gonna happen as long as there is no insurance. You raised a good point there.
Freighters should have a standard Neuron shield imo.
Two things are infinite: the universe and human stupidity; and I'm not sure
about the the universe
Albert Einstein |
Nama Saya
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Posted - 2006.08.19 11:13:00 -
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Edited by: Nama Saya on 19/08/2006 11:15:03
Originally by: Twilight Moon
To be honest....it sounds like Harry Potter in space.
Expecting this response because of the name. Wand is not like a magic stick from WOW. Harry Potter is fantasy where this is based on SF. If you would ever read the books of Dan Simmons, you will know that it's not based on magic at all. Trust me, you gonna love the read.
Ellaine TashMurkon, you might be right with your comment. But I think such a device should be able to be used on a BS.
Two things are infinite: the universe and human stupidity; and I'm not sure
about the the universe
Albert Einstein |
Nama Saya
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Posted - 2006.08.19 11:32:00 -
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Applogies for the cross-link. Was not aware of this is 'bad'. 
Two things are infinite: the universe and human stupidity; and I'm not sure
about the the universe
Albert Einstein |
Reggie Stoneloader
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Posted - 2006.08.19 16:42:00 -
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Edited by: Reggie Stoneloader on 19/08/2006 16:43:24
Originally by: Nama Saya
The insurance should not be on it when you board someone else his ship. I think it is very rare that somebody ejects in order to save his pod.
Then the poor sucker who got his battleship pulled out from under him gets zero return on his hundreds of millions of isk. Even an uninsured ship pays off a little so the guy doesn't just up and quit playing EvE. Originally by: Nama Saya
Randsoms are often not accepted.
That's true, because it's bad enough when someone gets jumped in a belt or while travelling in 0.0 and is brutally popped and podded by an enemy gank squad. WHen a Badger Mk II can stand up to three HACs and say, "Eff you, pirate!" and hit the self-destruct rather than pay a ransom, it's a tiny bit of dignity they enjoy.
The DeathWand would allow PvPers to harvest assets from carebears. No. Never. Not even one in a million times.
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Arnold Swartzenegger
Gallente
BURN EDEN
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Posted - 2006.08.19 21:36:00 -
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no
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Nama Saya
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Posted - 2006.08.21 10:14:00 -
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Originally by: Reggie Stoneloader
Edited by: Reggie Stoneloader on 19/08/2006 16:43:24
Originally by: Nama Saya
The insurance should not be on it when you board someone else his ship. I think it is very rare that somebody ejects in order to save his pod.
Then the poor sucker who got his battleship pulled out from under him gets zero return on his hundreds of millions of isk. Even an uninsured ship pays off a little so the guy doesn't just up and quit playing EvE.
Yup, very true, so if he is not ransomed, the poor sucker must fight, warp, or have the Neuron shield installed and as final option self destruct. This is all the case now!
In any case, It's in your hands to choise what to do. Should you have rigged stabs? Should you fight if you think you can win? If you get blobbed, well then you know the outcome anyway. And if you are afraid to lose your ship, what are you doing in low sec? My rule is, only use what you can afford to miss!
The ensurance is to stop fraud. Ensurance should only be kept when the first owner board the ship. If the ship is stolen (even when left alone on a SS) the ensurance will terminate immidiately.
Activation timer increased to 5 minutes This will give you plenty of time to deside what to do. The BS, rigged with this device will be quit fragile because of the demand of power/cpu and cap.
Two things are infinite: the universe and human stupidity; and I'm not sure
about the the universe
Albert Einstein |
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