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Colonel Volgin	Posted - 2006.08.18 18:40:00 - [1] Now, I created this alt only due to me having no alts that can fly a megathorn(my sec is too low to enter better market systems). Making most of my time I decided to use the corp chat to express my ideas on carebearism. Now I am making some stats up, but I believe the players in corp chat go into 4 categories: noobs, shuttlescout alts, carebear alts, carebears. I start conversation with something like "YARR! Die carebears!" , ok... that wasn't exactly the best phrase to start a discussion with, at least I got some attention so I had to be doing something right. I state that EVE is a PVP game, and is not an "***** missions in jita 23/7" It would be semi-fine if they stayed in Jita forever and never had any intention of altering the PVP side of the game. But, uhm... Read the #12314567 "anti-suicide-gankers-in-high-sec" thread, those and similar threads do get really really stupid, well.. at least in my opinion. Ok, ok all is fine, MMORPGs get a lot of whining here and there and awlays group X blame group Y for all problems etcetc. But instead of ending the flamewar(euh, I mean discussion) with one side logging off, instead I get called "poor, stupid, retarded, 14year old" On top of that I get petinioned for harassment(no idea why the person convoed me)!!! Wouldn't it be good for all of us if the game had a seperate PvE only server?
Parallax Error Amarr Imperial Dreams Curatores Veritatis Alliance	Posted - 2006.08.18 18:41:00 - [2] No. For a reason why, please google Ultima Online and Trammel.
Kunming Amarr adeptus gattacus Lotka Volterra	Posted - 2006.08.18 18:45:00 - [3] EVE is meant as a pvp game and is definetly meant to be a challange for individuals and groups at the same time. And I'm quoting CCP on this. If you looking for a PvE only game EVE is definetly not what you are looking for.
Damia F.R.E.E. Explorer EVE Animal Control	Posted - 2006.08.18 18:45:00 - [4] not to be rude, but most of EVE's game mechanics don't work unless there is PvP. that, and EVE has very little quality PvE content to begin with. It would be like watching paint dry.
Baldour Ngarr Artemis Rising	Posted - 2006.08.18 18:45:00 - [5] Since CCP are only interested in PvP games, it doesn't seem very likely. ________________________________________________ "I tried strip mining, but I lost, and it's cold flying around in space naked."
Sir Juri Caldari Federation of Freedom Fighters	Posted - 2006.08.18 18:46:00 - [6] Originally by: Baldour Ngarr Since CCP are only interested in PvP games, it doesn't seem very likely. and no it will never happen for a million reasons, all good ones. damn need to make a new sig...
Pesky LaRue Minmatar L.O.S.T. Foundation	Posted - 2006.08.18 18:47:00 - [7] boy, serious question to the OP - even if you TRIED, would you be able to come up with a worse idea? or was that it? This message came from the Minmatar Messiah, accept no imitations Pesky LaRue, Minmatar Messiah Bringing Salvation To Your System Soon! ++ PRAY FOR PESKY ++
Shamis Orzoz SniggWaffe	Posted - 2006.08.18 18:47:00 - [8] somebody lock this thread before the disease spreads. Having a PVE server would completely destroy EVE. Who would buy ships from the carebears if nobody blew them up? Who would supply ships to the PvP'ers if all the carebears were gone? The eve economy, the eve market, and all the politics in eve revolve around the unified PvE/PvP world. This blend of playstyles is what makes EVE fun and unique. Take that away and this game would suck. Not to mention that the PvE in EVE is pathetic in comparison to its competitors.
Mtthias Clemi Gallente Celestial Horizon Corp. Ascendant Frontier	Posted - 2006.08.18 18:47:00 - [9] I was 14 when i started playing this game.... generalisations make baby jesus cry. Also adding a pve only server would be stupid, for no other reason than it means there is more than one server, if people want to play this game they have to accept the risks that come with it, or else they are limiting the freedoms of others.. who will pirates kill if not carebares!?!? Who would make all the stuff for Pirates to kill carebears with if there are no carebears.. how will we get our factions battleships if the pvpers cant ***** agents for days on end.. there are so many things wrong with this i dont even know where to begin..
Isip	Posted - 2006.08.18 18:48:00 - [10] PVE only server - not a chance. I for one would not switch to it and I am a PvE carebear.
Baldour Ngarr Artemis Rising	Posted - 2006.08.18 18:49:00 - [11] Originally by: Shamis Orzoz somebody lock this thread before the disease spreads. Having a PVE server would completely destroy EVE. Who would buy ships from the carebears if nobody blew them up? Who would supply ships to the PvP'ers if all the carebears were gone? There's no way to test it of course, but .... if they DID introduce a no-PvP server, there'd be more people playing that one than this one. By insisting on PvP everywhere, CCP are cutting out a huge chunk of potential customers, in favour of a niche game that suits only a small %age of the market. ________________________________________________ "I tried strip mining, but I lost, and it's cold flying around in space naked."
Solarienne Caldari Steel Frontier Ekliptika	Posted - 2006.08.18 18:49:00 - [12] No. I would try to be more constructive, but I would probably just end up in a PVP frenzy chewing on my keyboard... Just... No... POS Managers WANTED!
Cylynex	Posted - 2006.08.18 18:49:00 - [13] Originally by: Baldour Ngarr Since CCP are only interested in PvP games, it doesn't seem very likely. Have you even played the game? I hate when people make these ridiculous statements. There is a LOT more to Eve than PVP. That being said, making a PvE only server would ruin the game. PVP is an important part of EVE. It is not the entire game.
Juwi Kotch Gallente VIRTUAL LIFE VANGUARD	Posted - 2006.08.18 18:51:00 - [14] Originally by: Parallax Error No. For a reason why, please google Ultima Online and Trammel. QFT. Introducing Trammel (PvE only realms) to UO has destroyed the game and will lead to it being closed by EA within the next 2 or 3 years because of no customers anymore. I know it, I have played UO for 6 years. Juwi Kotch
Eleri Bree	Posted - 2006.08.18 18:52:00 - [15] Sounds a very good way to kill off the game.
Sir Juri Caldari Federation of Freedom Fighters	Posted - 2006.08.18 18:55:00 - [16] Originally by: Baldour Ngarr Originally by: Shamis Orzoz somebody lock this thread before the disease spreads. Having a PVE server would completely destroy EVE. Who would buy ships from the carebears if nobody blew them up? Who would supply ships to the PvP'ers if all the carebears were gone? There's no way to test it of course, but .... if they DID introduce a no-PvP server, there'd be more people playing that one than this one. By insisting on PvP everywhere, CCP are cutting out a huge chunk of potential customers, in favour of a niche game that suits only a small %age of the market. omg another post, -create WoW 2 and we will have 3mill costumers cause I want CCP to profit more then me having fun!?!?!?!?! plz explain to me how your idea's will benefit anyone but the devs having a game they dont wanna play? damn need to make a new sig...
Lorth Body Count Inc. Mercenary Coalition	Posted - 2006.08.18 18:58:00 - [17] Eve sorrta is divided enough as it is right now. On one side you have the mission running, PVE playing game, who sit in high secm and want nothing to do with any other part of the game. And then you have the rest. Want an example, look at the threads in general. More specifically the Nerf Suicide ganking thread. A prime example, ushally, of people who want the mechanics changed so that no negative interaction with other players is at all possible. Or take a look at Jita, or any system with lv 4 agents, and notice how many people are off playing in thier own sucluded little world oblivious to whats actually happening in eve. Now I'm not knocking someones enjoyment of the 'carebear' aspects of the game. From time to time I enjoy doing those things my self. But I'll never understand how someone can be so apposed to some of the core aspects of eve (like player compition) yet still subscribe to the game. If you are so adverse to most of the content of the game, and the most challenging parts of it at that, why havn't you found a game that offers what your looking for, rather then playing half of this one? I suppose my attitude in general towards these type of players can be summed up like this. Stay in high sec, run your agent missions, and enjoy your boring content lacking version of EVE. just know that I pitty you, because this game REALLY comes alive when you embrace the drama, politics, and grandure of EVE in it's entirety, and that includes PVP. But don't ruin this game when you've expericanced 25% of it your self with you vocal idiocy.
LUGAL MOP'N'GLO	Posted - 2006.08.18 18:59:00 - [18] Very bad idea. In eve, PVE often leads to PvP. In fact, I'd say most of the people you kill in lowsec are there running a mission or out looking for rats. Its a great part of the game that makes Pvp interesting. People setup to Pve and end up getting engaged by another player in a gimped ship for PvP. I'll run missions then I'll go fight. I don't want to have to switch servers to do that. If I did, I wouldn't be playing anymore. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Win a Cynabal for 10ml!!!
Iskvaan Shogaatsu	Posted - 2006.08.18 19:01:00 - [19] Originally by: Mtthias Clemi I was 14 when i started playing this game.... Same. Six years later I¦m just as bad. Just the other day I killed someone just to watch him die. Best regards from Folsom Prison.
Raem Civrie Umbra Congregatio Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate	Posted - 2006.08.18 19:02:00 - [20] Originally by: Iskvaan Shogaatsu Originally by: Mtthias Clemi I was 14 when i started playing this game.... Same. Six years later I¦m just as bad. Just the other day I killed someone just to watch him die. Best regards from Folsom Prison. This alt is mine. Wrong def. character set. ---- Nothing I ever say is official
Ediz Daxx FinFleet Lotka Volterra	Posted - 2006.08.18 19:03:00 - [21] Edited by: Ediz Daxx on 18/08/2006 19:06:11 Most stupid suggestion EVER! Im gonna bet 100isk on that the OP is a ex-WoW player.
000Hunter000 Gallente Dummy Inc.	Posted - 2006.08.18 19:04:00 - [22] St00pid idea, and this is comming from somebody who isn't even very interested in pvp unless forced to. Banner will be updated shortly
LUGAL MOP'N'GLO	Posted - 2006.08.18 19:07:00 - [23] Originally by: Lorth Stay in high sec, run your agent missions, and enjoy your boring content lacking version of EVE. just know that I pitty you, because this game REALLY comes alive when you embrace the drama, politics, and grandure of EVE in it's entirety, and that includes PVP. But don't ruin this game when you've expericanced 25% of it your self with you vocal idiocy. "Don't fly what you can't afford to replace." Is the most common response to n00b gank threads. So WHY would a new player venture to lowsec or 0.0 for that matter to see this new 'content' in all its glory. If all they are doing is losing everything they have accumulated in the game thus far. I have 130ml in my head and 60ml in my wallet. You really think I want to go to lowsec in my best ship (Ferox) and battle it out with a guy in a tempest that snipes at gates, or 3 pirates in Thorax's who pick their fights wisely? No, I follow the advice of the elders and will wait until this character is ready to fight. Sure, I could take a cookie cutter Caracal out there and mess around, but there's no doubt I'd get popped by a guy in something better. And what happens if I bring 10 people from my corp to that spot afterwards? He SS's and logs. And just because you are in highsec doesn't mean there isn't politics and content. We have wardeccs, gankers, all sorts of stuff going on. Its not completely devoid of content. We're just waiting until we can go Pvp and actually WIN. Isn't that what 90% of people do? I mean, no use in going to 0.0 with a battleship if you know you're going to lose it. Might as well go in a shuttle, because 13 guys in battleships are waiting at the gate camp. /Rant Highsec aint that bad, but the risk v. reward of lowsec/0.0 isn't worth it for newer players IMHO. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Win a Cynabal for 10ml!!!
Gift Amarr Loot	Posted - 2006.08.18 19:08:00 - [24] Originally by: Colonel Volgin Wouldn't it be good for all of us if the game had a seperate PvE only server? It would be good for everyone in a way. When CCP closes it's doors we all save $15 a month and have more time to spend with the fam.
Sir Juri Caldari Federation of Freedom Fighters	Posted - 2006.08.18 19:12:00 - [25] Edited by: Sir Juri on 18/08/2006 19:15:46 Originally by: LUGAL MOP'N'GLO Originally by: Lorth Stay in high sec, run your agent missions, and enjoy your boring content lacking version of EVE. just know that I pitty you, because this game REALLY comes alive when you embrace the drama, politics, and grandure of EVE in it's entirety, and that includes PVP. But don't ruin this game when you've expericanced 25% of it your self with you vocal idiocy. "Don't fly what you can't afford to replace." Is the most common response to n00b gank threads. So WHY would a new player venture to lowsec or 0.0 for that matter to see this new 'content' in all its glory. If all they are doing is losing everything they have accumulated in the game thus far. I have 130ml in my head and 60ml in my wallet. You really think I want to go to lowsec in my best ship (Ferox) and battle it out with a guy in a tempest that snipes at gates, or 3 pirates in Thorax's who pick their fights wisely? No, I follow the advice of the elders and will wait until this character is ready to fight. Sure, I could take a cookie cutter Caracal out there and mess around, but there's no doubt I'd get popped by a guy in something better. And what happens if I bring 10 people from my corp to that spot afterwards? He SS's and logs. And just because you are in highsec doesn't mean there isn't politics and content. We have wardeccs, gankers, all sorts of stuff going on. Its not completely devoid of content. We're just waiting until we can go Pvp and actually WIN. Isn't that what 90% of people do? I mean, no use in going to 0.0 with a battleship if you know you're going to lose it. Might as well go in a shuttle, because 13 guys in battleships are waiting at the gate camp. /Rant Highsec aint that bad, but the risk v. reward of lowsec/0.0 isn't worth it for newer players IMHO. I dont agree at all. How come me and others could go into lowsec after a week and make ISK and never loose more then we gain? even ppl going into 0.0 after a week. what you need is pvp experience and to wake up. You have all these presumptions cause you havnt really tried have you? I feel sorry for you if you are waiting months/years for a "I-win button" cause their isnt such a thing, all thats happening with that attitude is that your missing a great part of the game. Your just wrong on all accounts tbh. edit/PS: I have WAY more ISK in my wallet then you have and I had that after 1-2months into the game beeing pirate in lowsec. Ratting in 0.0 both in alliance and solo (no backup.) War's and solo pvp. damn need to make a new sig...
Arkanor Gallente The Scope	Posted - 2006.08.18 19:13:00 - [26] Edited by: Arkanor on 18/08/2006 19:14:09 Having read only the title, and not even the first line of the post: NO! Originally by: Ghosthowl WoW = hardcore paladins smashin dat face. Originally by: HippoKing I just cried, you know that?
Sergeant Spot Black Eclipse Corp Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.08.18 19:22:00 - [27] A PvE server is a BAD idea. VERY VERY Bad idea. Really Bad idea. I'm all in favor of making 0.5+ a bit more friendly for folks who don't like PvP, and maybe even adding an agant feature so an agent will "never" send you to lower than 0.5+, and maybe no insurance if Concord killed, but a PvE server is a REALLY bad idea. Eve's core strengths are player "control" over their own game, INCLUDING control over how much risk they want to face, and also the fact that there is "no rules" and "few rules" space out there, if you are willing to dive into it.... That the long time hardened residents of deep 0.0 can exist within the same game as the hardcore 0.5+ carebears is a GOOD thing. They only stupid people on this issue are those who think there is something wrong with hardcore PROFITABLE 0.5+ carebearing, and the fools who think non-concensual PvP should not exist. Two sides of the same idiot coin..... snip This type of comment has no place in a signature, please remain courteous - Pirlouit
Fredbob Draconis Navitas Aeterna Pure.	Posted - 2006.08.18 19:23:00 - [28] No , for the dozens of reasons already stated. ___________ ~Fredbob~
arbitrary Bad luck Clover Inc.	Posted - 2006.08.18 19:26:00 - [29] I was going to post something that sounded like a witty, yet angry snarl but in more words. but the topic is just depressing ___ Arbi all I want is for you to smile.
Riho Mercenary Forces	Posted - 2006.08.18 19:33:00 - [30] eve is a PVP game... evrything allmost is related to pvp... i cant see how its possible to make its a PVE game and not **** it up

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