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Silver Sarena
Caldari
Coreward Pan-Galactic
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Posted - 2006.08.19 04:49:00 -
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I have read in several places that "Carriers can't use stargates because they are too big." Actually, I have read that all over the place. But my question is this: If Frieghters can use stargates and THEY are not too big, then why can't carriers? I mean, a quick check of the OFFICIAL Eve stats shows that, specifically carriers, (not talking about motherships here) have, almost without exception, less volume AND mass than thier same race frieghter counterparts. So, honestly, what gives? Does it boil down to the devs just not WANTING carriers to be stargate capable? Or is their some inner-game mechanics that make it impossible for the carrier to be stargate capable? I mean, is there anything wrong with a carrier being able to do both? I think they would add marvelous spice to inner-empire wars, and make them a much more popular ship type instead of people kinda ignoring them and going straight for the ol' mothership. IMHO anyway..... But aside from all of that rot, if someone could clear up the logic behind carriers not being able to use stargates I would really appreciate it. Thanks in advance for anyone who chooses to wiegh in. Cheers! 
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korrey
Level Five
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Posted - 2006.08.19 04:57:00 -
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Heaven forbid carriers from usning jumpgates...If they did then fleet combat as we know it would be murderous.
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JoeT
Amarr
Short Attention Span
The Guardian Coalition
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Posted - 2006.08.19 04:58:00 -
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they dont want them in empire. :)
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Yurii Chan
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Posted - 2006.08.19 04:58:00 -
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 Originally by: Silver Sarena
. . . I mean, is there anything wrong with a carrier being able to do both? I think they would add marvelous spice to inner-empire wars, and make them a much more popular ship type instead of people kinda ignoring them and going straight for the ol' mothership. IMHO anyway..... But aside from all of that rot, if someone could clear up the logic behind carriers not being able to use stargates I would really appreciate it. Thanks in advance for anyone who chooses to wiegh in. Cheers!
where pray tell have you seen people ignoring the carrier and going straight for the motherships?!
i believe that the Devs dont want the carriers to use stargates because frankly that would add a tad of the iwin spice to the carrier. as it stands a carrier is not hard to move about (sure it takes fuel and logistics but isnt that the point?)
plus imagine how many carriers would be doomed to mission running in low sec status if they were stargate capable... the horror!!!!
i say give freighters jump drives and take out their stargate ability in line with the capital ship cant use stargate logic =]
(sure would make FTL (freighter logistics) much easier)
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Sylthi
Minmatar
Coreward Pan-Galactic
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Posted - 2006.08.19 05:15:00 -
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Thanks for the quick input guys! Yeah, I kinda figured it boilded down to another "doesn't make sense even by the stats the devs set up, it's just what the devs WANT" dev moment. I was just wondering if that was the general concensus or whether or not it was just my suspicious conspiracy ridden mind at play. That being the case, they should REALLY look into updating the stats and the in-game models to make their size fall somewhere inbetween the Frieghter and the Mothership, rather than the way they have it now.
Won't debate the "carriers in empire" thing cause I obviously hit a hot button with that one! 
But, back on the carrier/stargate issue, if their is some factor that we are overlooking I warmly invite a dev to wiegh in on whatever it is. Anyone? Anyone......
THanks again guys! Peace! 
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ELECTR0FREAK
Eye of God
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Posted - 2006.08.19 05:56:00 -
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Edited by: ELECTR0FREAK on 19/08/2006 05:56:59
The mass isn't a reason. The stargates refuse Dreadnaughts and Carriers due to their firepower and capabilities. They would pose too much of a threat to the police force.
It's sorta like why tanks aren't available for public purchase. (Or if they were, I'm sure they wouldn't be able to roll around L.A.)
-Electrofreak
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Alessar Kaldorei
Caldari
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Posted - 2006.08.19 06:02:00 -
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It could be a politics issue. Carriers are combat capital ships. It doesn't matter that they fit in the jump gates, the states don't want them near their core system (high sec). They don't mind if you move them about the backwater systems, were piracy is rampant. With any luck, it keeps pirates and too powerful corps busy destroying their own assets. But letting them into high sec is a risk. So they bar them from all jump gates.
Trade, however, is good for the states (they keep the taxes) so they don't mind having freighters using the jump gates.
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Iota Belisarius
Procurare
Novus Ordos Seclorum
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Posted - 2006.08.19 06:15:00 -
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Originally by: ELECTR0FREAK
It's sorta like why tanks aren't available for public purchase. (Or if they were, I'm sure they wouldn't be able to roll around L.A.)
WTB Abrams for cruisin' the neighbourhood 
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Benglada
Central Defiance
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Posted - 2006.08.19 06:35:00 -
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Edited by: Benglada on 19/08/2006 06:35:02
WTB 66' RIMS FOR ABRAMS
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Originally by: Wrangler
Unfrtinately you dnot get to vote.. 
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ELECTR0FREAK
Eye of God
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Posted - 2006.08.19 06:49:00 -
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Originally by: Benglada
Edited by: Benglada on 19/08/2006 06:35:02
WTB 66' RIMS FOR ABRAMS
How about these?
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Samirol
Ore Mongers
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Posted - 2006.08.19 06:52:00 -
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Freighters use star drives, not jump gates
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Kunming
Amarr
adeptus gattacus
Lotka Volterra
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Posted - 2006.08.19 09:34:00 -
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How about this?
Give carriers an option to fit a module which allows them to use gates, but it consumes some fuel and cant be activated in empire (just like interdictor bubble launcher).
Problem solved for empire
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annab
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Posted - 2006.08.19 09:39:00 -
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Edited by: annab on 19/08/2006 09:45:24
Originally by: ELECTR0FREAK
Edited by: ELECTR0FREAK on 19/08/2006 05:56:59
The mass isn't a reason. The stargates refuse Dreadnaughts and Carriers due to their firepower and capabilities. They would pose too much of a threat to the police force.
It's sorta like why tanks aren't available for public purchase. (Or if they were, I'm sure they wouldn't be able to roll around L.A.)
In England all you need is a tractor licence and you can go on the road.
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Samirol
Ore Mongers
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Posted - 2006.08.19 10:16:00 -
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Originally by: annab
Edited by: annab on 19/08/2006 09:49:41
Edited by: annab on 19/08/2006 09:48:58
Originally by: ELECTR0FREAK
Edited by: ELECTR0FREAK on 19/08/2006 05:56:59
The mass isn't a reason. The stargates refuse Dreadnaughts and Carriers due to their firepower and capabilities. They would pose too much of a threat to the police force.
It's sorta like why tanks aren't available for public purchase. (Or if they were, I'm sure they wouldn't be able to roll around L.A.)
In England all you need is a tractor licence and you can go on the road. I can see the insure quote on one of those. The reason you can own a tank and drive it on our roads is the inventor of the tank was a farmer and he still wanted to use his so the government at the time classed them in as tractors.
Linkage
LA != England
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Noriath
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Posted - 2006.08.19 10:38:00 -
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I think the issue here is not so much that carriers can't use jumpgates, but that they are just plain too small. The models should be scaled up a bit, for motherships as well, they are only slightly bigger then battleships, but still not even in the realm of a titan...
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Haniblecter Teg
F.R.E.E. Explorer
EVE Animal Control
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Posted - 2006.08.19 10:40:00 -
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Why caant carriers use jump gates?
Because CCP said so.
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annab
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Posted - 2006.08.19 10:41:00 -
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Edited by: annab on 19/08/2006 10:45:57
Originally by: Samirol
Originally by: annab
Originally by: ELECTR0FREAK
Edited by: ELECTR0FREAK on 19/08/2006 05:56:59
The mass isn't a reason. The stargates refuse Dreadnaughts and Carriers due to their firepower and capabilities. They would pose too much of a threat to the police force.
It's sorta like why tanks aren't available for public purchase. (Or if they were, I'm sure they wouldn't be able to roll around L.A.)
In England all you need is a tractor licence and you can go on the road. I can see the insure quote on one of those. The reason you can own a tank and drive it on our roads is the inventor of the tank was a farmer and he still wanted to use his so the government at the time classed them in as tractors.
Linkage
LA != England
Its my bit of useless information for the day. Mind you someone may find that information intresting. It is the biggest boy toy you can buy.
Plus its the only thing we can do that rednecks can't.
If you can't just buy one you can rent it out. Linkage
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Phrixus Zephyr
Singularity.
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Posted - 2006.08.19 11:57:00 -
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WTB Leopard 2 !!
Originally by: El Berto
...aparently being European makes me the spawn of Cthulhu.
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Talen Kross
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Posted - 2006.08.19 13:02:00 -
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Capitals (carriers) can't use stargates because if they could they would be solopwnmobiles.
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kessah
Caldari
Blood Corsairs
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Posted - 2006.08.19 14:32:00 -
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Originally by: Iota Belisarius
Originally by: ELECTR0FREAK
It's sorta like why tanks aren't available for public purchase. (Or if they were, I'm sure they wouldn't be able to roll around L.A.)
WTB Abrams for cruisin' the neighbourhood
Tanks in england are permitted on the roads with modified tracks, theres a private tank collector in cornwall that drove one upto London, was a white tank saw it on local news lol.
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Aramendel
Amarr
Queens of the Stone Age
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Posted - 2006.08.19 16:11:00 -
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I can already imagine people in certain US states using a tank as weapon for "self defence". 
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Mr Peanut
The New Empire
R i s e
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Posted - 2006.08.19 21:51:00 -
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Originally by: Kunming
How about this?
Give carriers an option to fit a module which allows them to use gates, but it consumes some fuel and cant be activated in empire (just like interdictor bubble launcher).
Problem solved for empire
IMO it's not a problem, so it doesn't need to be solved. The devs don't want them in high=sec and neither do I. Would you want to walk into a gate camp with sentry guns tanked by a carrier? 
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Audri Fisher
Caldari
The Keep
THE R0CK
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Posted - 2006.08.19 21:57:00 -
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Originally by: Aramendel
I can already imagine people in certain US states using a tank as weapon for "self defence".
I should build one just for that reason.
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Wat0721
GalacTECH Unlimited
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Posted - 2006.08.19 23:08:00 -
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Originally by: Talen Kross
Capitals (carriers) can't use stargates because if they could they would be solopwnmobiles.
But...
Interceptors can use stargates...
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AlleyKat
Gallente
The Avalon Foundation
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Posted - 2006.08.19 23:22:00 -
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It's a shame they cannot fit them inside Freighters for transporting them into Empire too...
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Supay
Caldari
ISS Navy Task Force
Interstellar Starbase Syndicate
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Posted - 2006.08.20 00:17:00 -
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Edited by: Supay on 20/08/2006 00:18:59
Quote:
Its my bit of useless information for the day. Mind you someone may find that information intresting. It is the biggest boy toy you can buy.
Plus its the only thing we can do that rednecks can't. Razz
If you can't just buy one you can rent it out. Linkage
Edited by: Supay on 20/08/2006 00:18:00
I have been to the site near Winchester (http://www.intotheblue.co.uk/site/pages/ui_category3.aspx?Cat3ID=30#a161 and driven the tanks and SPGs there. It was bloody awesome!
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Nebuli
Caldari
Art of War
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Posted - 2006.08.20 00:21:00 -
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If the sole reason they cant use gates is due to not wanting them in high sec just make them unable to use gates IN to high sec.....
CEO - Art of War
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Eleni Shakira
Citizens of E.A.R.T.H.
E.A.R.T.H. Federation
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Posted - 2006.08.20 10:15:00 -
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It's simple really, Carriers can't sacrifice enough Exotic Dancers to convince the Stargate Gods to allow them to pass.
But I have good news, I just saved a bunch of money on my car insurance by switching from Geico to Progressive. |
ELECTR0FREAK
Eye of God
Axiom Empire
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Posted - 2006.08.20 10:19:00 -
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Wow... I totally derailed this thread by mentioning tanks.
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