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La Nariz GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation 2721	Posted - 2014.10.23 12:08:29 - [1] - Quote History is being ignored when planning for changes to nullsec? This post was loving crafted by a member of the Official GoonWaffe recruitment team. Improve the forums, support this idea: https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&find=unread&t=345133
La Nariz GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation 2730	Posted - 2014.10.23 17:09:02 - [2] - Quote Kaarous Aldurald wrote: Ah, here we go. The dregs of this game are the "heroes" of EVE Online. The people who dox you, threaten your literal life, and spew vile sexual and racial epithets are the "heroes". And you people wonder why the real players think you're insane? We need to call ripard teg these highesc shitlords are torturing us. This post was loving crafted by a member of the Official GoonWaffe recruitment team. Improve the forums, support this idea: https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&find=unread&t=345133
La Nariz GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation 2736	Posted - 2014.10.23 17:17:31 - [3] - Quote Anslo wrote: Valkin Mordirc wrote: Aye, I work a ten hour job. =S Sucks trying to find time to play at points. Lack of sleep+EVEGroggily trying to work surrounded by hormonal teenages Or Sleep+ kinda Groggily trying to work surrounded by hormonal teenages. I work 8-9 hour days in pharma bruh, and I'm a CEO. Sup? Come at me. COME @ ME 7/11 does not count as pharma. This post was loving crafted by a member of the Official GoonWaffe recruitment team. Improve the forums, support this idea: https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&find=unread&t=345133
La Nariz GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation 2736	Posted - 2014.10.23 17:22:12 - [4] - Quote Anslo wrote: La Nariz wrote: Anslo wrote: Valkin Mordirc wrote: Aye, I work a ten hour job. =S Sucks trying to find time to play at points. Lack of sleep+EVEGroggily trying to work surrounded by hormonal teenages Or Sleep+ kinda Groggily trying to work surrounded by hormonal teenages. I work 8-9 hour days in pharma bruh, and I'm a CEO. Sup? Come at me. COME @ ME 7/11 does not count as pharma. Are you done evacuating Delve? Also 7/11's don't even have a pharmacy m8r. Then why are you claiming to work in a pharmacy? This post was loving crafted by a member of the Official GoonWaffe recruitment team. Improve the forums, support this idea: https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&find=unread&t=345133
La Nariz GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation 2737	Posted - 2014.10.23 17:33:03 - [5] - Quote Keep on whinging Anslo it will work one of these times. E: James315 you need to add "has an important RL job to miner bingo." This post was loving crafted by a member of the Official GoonWaffe recruitment team. Improve the forums, support this idea: https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&find=unread&t=345133
La Nariz GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation 2743	Posted - 2014.10.23 19:16:33 - [6] - Quote Anslo wrote: La Nariz wrote: Keep on whinging Anslo it will work one of these times. E: James315 you need to add "has an important RL job to miner bingo." Nice counter. Also, everyone can tell you got a nose job. Stop pretending you didn't. #dunkt At least I know you have some minuscule semblance of wit about you now. This post was loving crafted by a member of the Official GoonWaffe recruitment team. Improve the forums, support this idea: https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&find=unread&t=345133
La Nariz GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation 2743	Posted - 2014.10.23 19:22:28 - [7] - Quote Veers Belvar wrote: Ralph King-Griffin wrote: Kaarous Aldurald wrote: Is anyone else wondering what violent spousal abuse has to do with winning in a video game? No actually, I'd rather not know. As usual it's the "elite PvP" folks who are always obsessing over these things. How about keeping the violence in game like we do? Or just post your meltdown thread and do your iz-esque threatening posts. This post was loving crafted by a member of the Official GoonWaffe recruitment team. Improve the forums, support this idea: https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&find=unread&t=345133
La Nariz GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation 2743	Posted - 2014.10.23 19:23:42 - [8] - Quote Anslo wrote: La Nariz wrote: Anslo wrote: La Nariz wrote: Keep on whinging Anslo it will work one of these times. E: James315 you need to add "has an important RL job to miner bingo." Nice counter. Also, everyone can tell you got a nose job. Stop pretending you didn't. #dunkt At least I know you have some minuscule semblance of wit about you now. Implying I care what a shitposter thinks. Now stop trying to stab me with your nose. Lol if anything we are the only true good posters in all of eve-o. This post was loving crafted by a member of the Official GoonWaffe recruitment team. Improve the forums, support this idea: https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&find=unread&t=345133
La Nariz GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation 2743	Posted - 2014.10.23 19:25:42 - [9] - Quote Anslo wrote: Jonah Gravenstein wrote: Heh, that's fair enough, actions generally do speak louder than words. Yet people like Kaarous and others keep saying all I do is mine and mission. Bruh. I don't get it Bruh. Why dey potato Bruh? The evidence shows that all you do is whine and try to be ~edgy~, I hear reddit is welcoming of you types. This post was loving crafted by a member of the Official GoonWaffe recruitment team. Improve the forums, support this idea: https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&find=unread&t=345133
La Nariz GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation 2750	Posted - 2014.10.24 00:06:43 - [10] - Quote Maybe we shouldn't get emotionally invested in a video game? This post was loving crafted by a member of the Official GoonWaffe recruitment team. Improve the forums, support this idea: https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&find=unread&t=345133

La Nariz GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation 2753	Posted - 2014.10.24 00:37:39 - [11] - Quote Ertur Adestur wrote: La Nariz wrote: Maybe we shouldn't get emotionally invested in a video game? I keep seeing this, and... Eh, it depends on what you mean, I suppose. If you're having any kind of fun in the game, you're emotionally invested. Getting any sense of emotional reward? Yup, you've put something in. Of course, I assume what's meant with the above is an "unhealthy" level of attachment, so could we just say that? Be invested, don't get attached. Because if I'm not somewhat invested, if there's no sense of immersion, there's no point to me. And on the other hand, if events in a game start screwing with your stability and well being, you really need to take a step back and assess. Sorry for the off topic, it's one of those pet peeves. Not necessarily it is very possible to enjoy the game, have fun, and take pride in your in-game accomplishments without getting emotionally invested in it. If you want to be emotionally invested in something, get a pet, a plant, a spouse and/or a child. It's foolish to get so attached to things in this game where at least half of the point of it is to blow things up. This post was loving crafted by a member of the Official GoonWaffe recruitment team. Improve the forums, support this idea: https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&find=unread&t=345133
La Nariz GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation 2753	Posted - 2014.10.24 02:06:21 - [12] - Quote Ertur Adestur wrote: La Nariz wrote: Not necessarily it is very possible to enjoy the game, have fun, and take pride in your in-game accomplishments without getting emotionally invested in it. If you want to be emotionally invested in something, get a pet, a plant, a spouse and/or a child. It's foolish to get so attached to things in this game where at least half of the point of it is to blow things up. I agree, though my point was to see if there's a difference between "investment" and "attachment" here. Maybe it's my understanding of English that's lacking. To put it this way: A suicide ganker invests in a ship, but doesn't get attached, because he knows the ship is lost. From this, he is rewarded with fun. Does that make it clearer? Does the term "emotional investment" automatically include "emotional attachment"? To add a bit of cheese: "Don't play a game that you can't afford to lose." I think you are confusing isk and emotions. The suicide ganker is investing isk in their equipment they are not emotionally investing in anything. I'll repeat myself: La Nariz wrote: It's foolish to get so attached to things in this game where at least half of the point of it is to blow things up. This post was loving crafted by a member of the Official GoonWaffe recruitment team. Improve the forums, support this idea: https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&find=unread&t=345133
La Nariz GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation 2753	Posted - 2014.10.24 02:08:21 - [13] - Quote Daniel Jackson wrote: What i see is wrong with eve with my 11 year experience in it is that missions and mining seems extremely repetitive, same with almost everything else it seems like we are doing the same things over and over again. like robots especially the players like my self who have no income at all, so players like me which im pretty sure are a majority have to grind most of our lives away just to get anywhere in eve, and by grind i mean like mining, missioning, incursions and doesn't really seem to favor people lacking social skills which is 1 of the main reasons why its hard to get new players into eve as they can't seem to get anywhere so out of frustration they just quit. no income meaning like no passive income btw i removed my original post to avoid getting my post deleted lol Passive income is a really good idea but, not for highsec where NPCs will defend it for you. This post was loving crafted by a member of the Official GoonWaffe recruitment team. Improve the forums, support this idea: https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&find=unread&t=345133
La Nariz GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation 2754	Posted - 2014.10.24 11:54:58 - [14] - Quote embrel wrote: La Nariz wrote: Maybe we shouldn't get emotionally invested in a video game? why then should we play it? I'd assume games you are not emotionally invested in will tend to bore you rather quickly. EDIT: oh, I see this has been discussed... point stands though. A. Its fun, B. Its enjoyable, C. Its a 'sandbox' I can have a little pride in but, not attachment to the point I have a meltdown when someone destroys my castle D. All of the above. This post was loving crafted by a member of the Official GoonWaffe recruitment team. Improve the forums, support this idea: https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&find=unread&t=345133
La Nariz GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation 2754	Posted - 2014.10.24 11:55:46 - [15] - Quote Daniel Jackson wrote: you are from goonswarm u should be well aware that there is no such thing as npcs defending players CONCORD, where CONCORD exists no passive income should exist. This post was loving crafted by a member of the Official GoonWaffe recruitment team. Improve the forums, support this idea: https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&find=unread&t=345133
La Nariz GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation 2755	Posted - 2014.10.24 12:40:31 - [16] - Quote embrel wrote: La Nariz wrote: embrel wrote: La Nariz wrote: Maybe we shouldn't get emotionally invested in a video game? why then should we play it? I'd assume games you are not emotionally invested in will tend to bore you rather quickly. EDIT: oh, I see this has been discussed... point stands though. A. Its fun, B. Its enjoyable, C. Its a 'sandbox' I can have a little pride in but, not attachment to the point I have a meltdown when someone destroys my castle D. All of the above. and the fun and the enjoyable part are what make you emotionally invested. To some degree or other. Good if you get the shakes at max, less so if you start crying. No they don't you can still firmly separate video games and real life while still doing abcd. This post was loving crafted by a member of the Official GoonWaffe recruitment team. Improve the forums, support this idea: https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&find=unread&t=345133
La Nariz GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation 2760	Posted - 2014.10.24 14:52:40 - [17] - Quote Derrick Miles wrote: Derrick Miles wrote: And to me emotional investment is anything that causes your emotions to change. The degree of it is certainly important and debatable, but I don't think you can argue against the fact that you're emotionally attached in some way to something you spend so much time on. You are emotionally invested a great deal in your family and friends. You were also emotionally invested, if only just a little bit, in the material possessions you gave up or you wouldn't even remember them in the first place. You are confusing the degree of emotions with the fact that they exist at all. These two posts are wrong and passing opinion on as neuroscience. This post was loving crafted by a member of the Official GoonWaffe recruitment team. Improve the forums, support this idea: https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&find=unread&t=345133
La Nariz GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation 2763	Posted - 2014.10.24 14:57:49 - [18] - Quote Derrick Miles wrote: La Nariz wrote: Derrick Miles wrote: Derrick Miles wrote: And to me emotional investment is anything that causes your emotions to change. The degree of it is certainly important and debatable, but I don't think you can argue against the fact that you're emotionally attached in some way to something you spend so much time on. You are emotionally invested a great deal in your family and friends. You were also emotionally invested, if only just a little bit, in the material possessions you gave up or you wouldn't even remember them in the first place. You are confusing the degree of emotions with the fact that they exist at all. These two posts are wrong and passing opinion on as neuroscience. In no way did I mention neuroscience in those posts or make any claim to be an expert in it. It's interesting that you do however. You're making a claim about how the brain works that is literally neuroscience. This post was loving crafted by a member of the Official GoonWaffe recruitment team. Improve the forums, support this idea: https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&find=unread&t=345133
La Nariz GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation 2763	Posted - 2014.10.24 15:02:10 - [19] - Quote It certainly does, the fact that you are losing the argument doesn't have any bearing on it. This post was loving crafted by a member of the Official GoonWaffe recruitment team. Improve the forums, support this idea: https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&find=unread&t=345133
La Nariz GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation 2763	Posted - 2014.10.24 15:06:10 - [20] - Quote Derrick Miles wrote: La Nariz wrote: You're making a claim about how the brain works that is literally neuroscience. Neuroscience is the study of the nervous system. Your feelings are related to the biochemistry of the brain, sure, but every discussion about feelings is not neuroscience. See my above post and if you are still confused come to my office hours. This post was loving crafted by a member of the Official GoonWaffe recruitment team. Improve the forums, support this idea: https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&find=unread&t=345133

La Nariz GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation 2763	Posted - 2014.10.24 15:16:13 - [21] - Quote Derrick Miles wrote: La Nariz wrote: Derrick Miles wrote: La Nariz wrote: You're making a claim about how the brain works that is literally neuroscience. Neuroscience is the study of the nervous system. Your feelings are related to the biochemistry of the brain, sure, but every discussion about feelings is not neuroscience. See my above post and if you are still confused come to my office hours. That was a timely edit I guess. And if you had office hours I would definitely never go to them if that's the totality of your debate skills. I don't need to debate people I out rank and who don't have any understanding of the field they are trying to talk about. It only lends their bad argument more credibility. This post was loving crafted by a member of the Official GoonWaffe recruitment team. Improve the forums, support this idea: https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&find=unread&t=345133
La Nariz GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation 2763	Posted - 2014.10.24 15:19:22 - [22] - Quote Angeal MacNova wrote: Kaarous Aldurald wrote: Angeal MacNova wrote: http://www.selfgrowth.com/articles/Emotional_Investments.html That was a good laugh. Next time try citing something that, you know, doesn't look like it was coded in the 90s. Your Google-fu is weak. Yeah cause you know, someone with a PhD in psychology wouldn't know what they're talking about and an anonymous armchair expert such as yourself would It's some kind of blog and not peer reviewed or sourced well so yeah it's essentially elephant dung. Do try again though research is a good thing to do and can only help you. Try PMC their articles don't have a pay wall. This post was loving crafted by a member of the Official GoonWaffe recruitment team. Improve the forums, support this idea: https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&find=unread&t=345133
La Nariz GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation 2763	Posted - 2014.10.24 15:20:33 - [23] - Quote Derrick Miles wrote: La Nariz wrote: I don't need to debate people I out rank and who don't have any understanding of the field they are trying to talk about. It only lends their bad argument more credibility. People you out rank? What world are you living in? I would say we should just agree to disagree but I get the feeling that's never going to happen. The same one you do, yes I out rank you you're welcome to Internet detective my LinkedIn page. Maybe ripard teg can help you. This post was loving crafted by a member of the Official GoonWaffe recruitment team. Improve the forums, support this idea: https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&find=unread&t=345133
La Nariz GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation 2763	Posted - 2014.10.24 15:33:50 - [24] - Quote Angeal MacNova wrote: While it may not be a peer review paper, it is certainly reasonable to say that someone with the educational back ground and years experience would know what they are talking about (more so than anyone here) even if just a blog by such an expert. You'd probably have a hard time finding a peer reviewed paper about emotional investments within video games. The article may be about the benefits of giving and receiving, it does tie it in with emotional investment which does well to shed some light on what it means to be emotionally invested. As a simple act of giving/receiving between you and a stranger would be certainly something some individuals would see as not having anything to do with emotional investment based on their current arguments when the truth of the matter is that it does. This is because in order for something to trigger an emotion in you (whether it's joy, happiness, anger, frustration, etc.) , it requires emotional investment. However, it looks as though people are confused and want to equate emotional investment with emotional attachment. It's possible to be emotionally invested without becoming emotionally attached. Unfortunately it isn't peer review is there for a reason. It also is sourced poorly; so again I gave you a source that is free now go bring us back something interesting. This post was loving crafted by a member of the Official GoonWaffe recruitment team. Improve the forums, support this idea: https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&find=unread&t=345133
La Nariz GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation 2763	Posted - 2014.10.24 15:43:24 - [25] - Quote 10.1016/j.chb.2010.03.023 From the abstract that is very relevant to the thread. I ordered it but if any of you have it give us a summary. "Games without frontiers: On the moral and psychological implications of violating taboos within multi-player virtual spaces" This post was loving crafted by a member of the Official GoonWaffe recruitment team. Improve the forums, support this idea: https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&find=unread&t=345133
La Nariz GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation 2769	Posted - 2014.10.24 17:47:16 - [26] - Quote Wallace Trucker wrote: Ralph King-Griffin wrote: Brochan McLeod wrote: chances are that if you behave like an oaf ingame ( and even defend it)... you are an oaf IRL... and i DONT mean the PvP mechanics. ^^ difficulty disassociating real world emotional value responses from digital actions. you realise this attitude is why we glory in carebear tears without feeling bad right. This response concerns me. It seems you believe your pixelized character has a brain of it's own, and you have no control over it's actions. You just sign it on, and he takes off doing it's own thing. The fact is this digital character is a direct reflection of who you are. The digital character in every way is you. He reflects your morals, your thought patterns and processes, right down to your very soul. It is incapable of thinking for itself, or taking actions without YOU telling it what to do. This is an issue that human society is going to have to deal with in the near future. Are machines, avatars, robots, or any mechanical or virtual thing responsible for their own actions? Or is the human in control of that machine responsible. (If I command my robot to murder my ex-wife...am I responsible if it does kill her?) Schizophrenia_and_autism.txt This post was loving crafted by a member of the Official GoonWaffe recruitment team. Improve the forums, support this idea: https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&find=unread&t=345133
La Nariz GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation 2770	Posted - 2014.10.24 18:01:24 - [27] - Quote We aren't responsible for maintaining other people's point of view, awareness or understanding. This post was loving crafted by a member of the Official GoonWaffe recruitment team. Improve the forums, support this idea: https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&find=unread&t=345133
La Nariz GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation 2772	Posted - 2014.10.24 18:30:36 - [28] - Quote Benny Ohu wrote: oh man i should have gone with chewing tobacco that would have been so much more badass Glass of expensive liqueur. This post was loving crafted by a member of the Official GoonWaffe recruitment team. Improve the forums, support this idea: https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&find=unread&t=345133
La Nariz GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation 2772	Posted - 2014.10.24 18:31:28 - [29] - Quote Jonah Gravenstein wrote: Wallace Trucker wrote: I am familiar with all these terms and there definitions. Evidently not . Quote: But these terms would all indicate that all involved parties are aware of the fact that the person is "role playing" and are familiar with who the person really is. As stated earlier Eve is an MMORPG, as such it's fairly reasonable to assume that the people who are playing it are role playing regardless of whether or not you are familiar with who the other person really is Quote: And if you are role playing why choose to play a criminal who shoots and steals from other people Because you're able to is as good a reason as any, most MMORPGs cast you almost exclusively in the role of a hero, being a hero gets boring after a while. Quote: this also concerns me. What concerns me is your inability to differentiate between reality and fantasy, your complete fail at quoting is also slightly disconcerting. That last part is schizophrenia or a component of it. This post was loving crafted by a member of the Official GoonWaffe recruitment team. Improve the forums, support this idea: https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&find=unread&t=345133
La Nariz GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation 2782	Posted - 2014.10.25 02:20:02 - [30] - Quote Hemmo Paskiainen wrote: Let me put my bitterness asside for once, and take half a hour to explain this to you. I have been on both sides, grieving people in all possible ways and giving away billions at newby's, random people, 'entertainment projects', corpmates and very good fc's that brought in kind entertainment for others (hi Shadeforce, makalu ;)). However the first one asks you the first time if 10b donation is a mistake and offers to send it back and the last one never even wonders how, what or thanks you :p). But let me keep on track.. lillte bit hard at 03:48am. EVE is a product where a very very high evolvement of emotion occurs. Expecialy when people are around for quit a while. This effects the behavior and attitude towards the game. For example, significant game changes could effect a players experiance in such a way that this emotional attitude gets affected aswell. You could see this as a balanced weight scale that is perfecty balanced when you first play the game. Positive attitude on one side, negative on the other side. The situations that direcly affects the attitude could exist out of touchpoints. These could exist from out player to player interaction or player to gamedesigner interaction, or visa versa. By now you should get where i am going to. From my personal experiance and hearsay, and your statements, i tend strongly to believe that the scale, is negative at older players. It is simply to test with a playerenquiry and to check if the first sontain though about CCP is positive or negative. This first association, infuences directly the players state of mind: shall i be kind or be evil. If you assosiate EVE load with negative feelings everytime you play the game, you get terrible bitter and that will be your playingstyle, forumpostings ect. Eventualy you dont enjoy fleeting and you will only log in to chat socialy with pixel friends. Besides that, is EVE also a very addictive game. The risk of falling into a negativity circle is big. Than you will end in a "login in statis but cant be botherd to undock". I have seen that first hand. Its a very rare thing. You boot up the game, willing to play... bit also not. And after a hour or 2 you realize that you are still looking at the station interior. I hope you get the picure. I hope it does makes sence a bit, as im not re-reading if for any grammar errors or what so ever, /Hemmo go's to sleep Don't get emotionally invested in a video game still rings true. This post was loving crafted by a member of the Official GoonWaffe recruitment team. Improve the forums, support this idea: https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&find=unread&t=345133

La Nariz GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation 2786	Posted - 2014.10.25 13:31:36 - [31] - Quote Barton Breau wrote: Kaarous Aldurald wrote: As with many of my comparisons, I shall go back to that most hallowed of games, Super Mario Brothers. In Super Mario Brothers, I don't get upset when Mario dies, I don't flip my lid when he falls down the bottomless pit for the 2051st time. That is because I do not get emotionally invested in the game. And that is because I realize that the basic point of the game is for him to die, repeatedly, to provide me a challenge. The entire game is setup in such a fashion that his death is all but inevitable. And in the face of functionally inevitable loss, acceptance of that possibility is the only appropriate course of action. Well, first of all we are not inside miniluv and do not get to dictate what people should or shouldnt emotionally invest into, to turn the usual excrements around, if you are sick of crybabies, you can quit :) Second, old arcade games were usually CAREFULLY tuned around the assumption that a teen will play them and thus only rarely (due to a bug for example, or designer was drunk that one day) they would face you with unsurmountable challenges, rpgs and games working around rng and the possibility of infinite influences in general do not work that way, you can do everything perfectly, yet you can still loose. Third, the neighbor didnt kill your mario, you did, whether we like it or not if the anger or annoyance has a viable target not being oneself, the situation becomes a whole new ballgame, another pitfall of pvp games. What the hell are you going on about? This post was loving crafted by a member of the Official GoonWaffe recruitment team. Improve the forums, support this idea: https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&find=unread&t=345133
La Nariz GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation 2787	Posted - 2014.10.25 20:59:55 - [32] - Quote Terminator Cindy wrote: Aeon Plex wrote: We fly to planet 1, and they ask if they can test the range on their fit, and I'm happy to oblige. They ask me to stop orbiting them so they can check range, and so I do, and then they fly to 0, and kill my Garmur without hesitation, then blink off the conversation we had been having for about an hour. Like the school bullies ( which is what most of those sissies are in real life ), they do that because they don't have the balls for 1v1 in true equal combat mode. ~space honor e-bushido~ This post was loving crafted by a member of the Official GoonWaffe recruitment team. Improve the forums, support this idea: https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&find=unread&t=345133
La Nariz GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation 2791	Posted - 2014.10.25 22:54:20 - [33] - Quote 13kr1d1 wrote: Jonah Gravenstein wrote: 13kr1d1 wrote: It's less about e-bushido and more about the fact that people who play a game with the sole purpose of wanting to ruin someone else's game experience is doing it for very personal reasons. Eve is a competitive PvP game, in order for someone to win, somebody else must lose. What's competitive about ganking highsec miners who make less isk than you in a whole day than you ratting for one hour a day? Logic, please use. Ralph King-Griffin wrote: 13kr1d1 wrote: or have been abused one fair warning. say that again and you will have a petition. I work with people who've been abused. I know the signs. I'm sorry if that happened to you which is why this upset you. But our past doesn't excuse our behavior. You could, I don't know, keep everything in-game that is already in-game instead of trying to connect in-game to out-of-the-game. This post was loving crafted by a member of the Official GoonWaffe recruitment team. Improve the forums, support this idea: https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&find=unread&t=345133
La Nariz GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation 2796	Posted - 2014.10.26 19:32:50 - [34] - Quote Veers Belvar wrote: Nonsense. I am completely unconcerned about people shooting at me. When has it happened before? I consider myself virtually invincible, and completely unconcerned by the laughable gankers. What does concern me is the slaughter of AFK haulers and miners, of new players, and of generally helpless people in places like Uedama. That I think is profoundly wrong, and determintal to the game, and that I think should be addressed by CCP. Nothing to do with me, Veers will be fine regardless. So go out and protect them then if it bothers you, Uedama is not a rookie system. This post was loving crafted by a member of the Official GoonWaffe recruitment team. Improve the forums, support this idea: https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&find=unread&t=345133
La Nariz GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation 2797	Posted - 2014.10.26 19:58:56 - [35] - Quote Veers Belvar wrote: La Nariz wrote: Veers Belvar wrote: Nonsense. I am completely unconcerned about people shooting at me. When has it happened before? I consider myself virtually invincible, and completely unconcerned by the laughable gankers. What does concern me is the slaughter of AFK haulers and miners, of new players, and of generally helpless people in places like Uedama. That I think is profoundly wrong, and determintal to the game, and that I think should be addressed by CCP. Nothing to do with me, Veers will be fine regardless. So go out and protect them then if it bothers you, Uedama is not a rookie system. There is no way to "protect" against a guy in a thrasher undocking every 15 minutes to shoot autopiloting shuttles and pods. There is no way to "protect" against 40 man gank fleets in Uedama. There is no way to arrest people, put them on trial, and sentence them to 15 years in jail. The maximum punishment you can administer is destruction of ship and pod, which for gankers is laughably cheap. There are plenty of ways to protect against that, think about it. This post was loving crafted by a member of the Official GoonWaffe recruitment team. Improve the forums, support this idea: https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&find=unread&t=345133
La Nariz GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation 2827	Posted - 2014.10.27 21:12:16 - [36] - Quote This all seems to continually converge upon not getting emotionally invested in video games. This post was loving crafted by a member of the Official GoonWaffe recruitment team. Improve the forums, support this idea: https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&find=unread&t=345133
La Nariz GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation 2841	Posted - 2014.10.28 14:56:02 - [37] - Quote Bastion Arzi wrote: well life isnt cushty all over. there are places... on earth... where people eat other people... The Ozarks and Appalachia in the US come to mind. This post was loving crafted by a member of the Official GoonWaffe recruitment team. Improve the forums, support this idea: https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&find=unread&t=345133
La Nariz GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation 2841	Posted - 2014.10.28 15:04:11 - [38] - Quote Bastion Arzi wrote: Veers Belvar wrote: True, you might call them, oh...I don't know.... nullsec? Why should highsec resemble those places? Why not have a range of police presence throughout space, and let people CHOOSE where they want to live? Kinda like now, but with much more severe consequences for committing crimes in highsec. do u want to hold hands as well? Probably not with you, he has a mancrush on Baltec1. This post was loving crafted by a member of the Official GoonWaffe recruitment team. Improve the forums, support this idea: https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&find=unread&t=345133
La Nariz GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation 2841	Posted - 2014.10.28 15:26:08 - [39] - Quote Veers Belvar wrote: La Nariz wrote: Bastion Arzi wrote: Veers Belvar wrote: True, you might call them, oh...I don't know.... nullsec? Why should highsec resemble those places? Why not have a range of police presence throughout space, and let people CHOOSE where they want to live? Kinda like now, but with much more severe consequences for committing crimes in highsec. do u want to hold hands as well? Probably not with you, he has a mancrush on Baltec1. get help I don't need it I can separate the game from real life whereas you cannot. This post was loving crafted by a member of the Official GoonWaffe recruitment team. Improve the forums, support this idea: https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&find=unread&t=345133
La Nariz GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation 2843	Posted - 2014.10.28 15:33:02 - [40] - Quote Veers Belvar wrote: And yet, amusingly, despite your whole diatribe, you apparently failed to realize that I have been victimized neither in Eve nor in RL. So seems I am "fitting" in just fine, thank you. As opposed to the miners, haulers, etc.... who get stomped on by new players and quit the game, apparently to the delight of many here. Good the bolded part is the point and intentional. You shouldn't be victimized in real life over anything done here in the game. If newbies are ganking haulers and miners good for them too hopefully they have found their niche in the game. This post was loving crafted by a member of the Official GoonWaffe recruitment team. Improve the forums, support this idea: https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&find=unread&t=345133

La Nariz GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation 2843	Posted - 2014.10.28 15:39:44 - [41] - Quote Veers Belvar wrote: Bastion Arzi wrote: in jenna's defence you go on about it like it happens to you everyday. No, I go on about it because it happens to MULTIPLE OTHER PEOPLE every day, and they mostly respond by quitting the game and are not here to post about it. Or else they do post about it and get relentlessly mocked and disparaged. Ah the so called silent majority which you cannot prove nor show any evidence of existence. Badposting will always have some sort of retribution for it hence the mocking. Maybe you and the rest of the "silent majority" could learn to post better and things would be different. This post was loving crafted by a member of the Official GoonWaffe recruitment team. Improve the forums, support this idea: https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&find=unread&t=345133
La Nariz GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation 2843	Posted - 2014.10.28 15:45:33 - [42] - Quote Veers Belvar wrote: Thankfully I'm unconcerned what the Goonie propaganda machine thinks about my posting. Why don't you try flying around highsec belt to belt and asking the miners and haulers what they think about Code, suicide ganking, etc...? I have, and the overwhelming feeling is that the game mechanics are broken and favor the bad guys. A feeling but, no evidence and a mind boggling amount of angst. EVE is kind of like Dark Souls first you start human like Veers here, then over time the anger and angst eats away at you until you end up a hollowed shell like Anslo. This post was loving crafted by a member of the Official GoonWaffe recruitment team. Improve the forums, support this idea: https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&find=unread&t=345133
La Nariz GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation 2849	Posted - 2014.10.28 16:02:42 - [43] - Quote Veers Belvar wrote: Feel free to launch the New Eden Pew Institute for Polling to gauge the opinions of highsec miners on ganking and bumping. You made the claim you provide the evidence. This post was loving crafted by a member of the Official GoonWaffe recruitment team. Improve the forums, support this idea: https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&find=unread&t=345133
La Nariz GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation 2849	Posted - 2014.10.28 16:06:55 - [44] - Quote Jonah Gravenstein wrote: La Nariz wrote: Veers Belvar wrote: Feel free to launch the New Eden Pew Institute for Polling to gauge the opinions of highsec miners on ganking and bumping. You made the claim you provide the evidence. Another case of somebody else should do something, pretty much the norm for Veers. Which is kind of sad. He is literally a DS2 NPC. This post was loving crafted by a member of the Official GoonWaffe recruitment team. Improve the forums, support this idea: https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&find=unread&t=345133
La Nariz GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation 2854	Posted - 2014.10.28 16:27:43 - [45] - Quote Veers Belvar wrote: Confirming that I also lack evidence that the world is round, that man has landed on the moon, that most people are pleased electricity was invented, and a host of other claims, so they should all be considered fabrications for now. So we're back to hyperbole, back up your claims if you want them to be taken seriously. Otherwise you will be mocked and no one is going to believe a word you say kind of like how we treat dinsdale. However he is at least funny. This post was loving crafted by a member of the Official GoonWaffe recruitment team. Improve the forums, support this idea: https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&find=unread&t=345133
La Nariz GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation 2856	Posted - 2014.10.28 17:21:54 - [46] - Quote Veers Belvar wrote: La Nariz wrote: Veers Belvar wrote: Confirming that I also lack evidence that the world is round, that man has landed on the moon, that most people are pleased electricity was invented, and a host of other claims, so they should all be considered fabrications for now. So we're back to hyperbole, back up your claims if you want them to be taken seriously. Otherwise you will be mocked and no one is going to believe a word you say kind of like how we treat dinsdale. However he is at least funny. It's pretty laughable that you think the idea that highsec miners are unhappy with the ganking/bumping mechanics is a proposition that needs to be proven. Do you ever try actually talking to folks in highsec (the "pubbies" as you derisively call them)? Of course as a recruiter it's my job to talk to pubbies so other goons don't have to, the sacrifices I make. Most of the highsec pubbies are blithely unaware of what is going on. None of this removes your obligation of supporting your own claims; of which you have two: -there is a silent majority in highesc that is unhappy with the status quo, -you hold the same views they hold. This post was loving crafted by a member of the Official GoonWaffe recruitment team. Improve the forums, support this idea: https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&find=unread&t=345133
La Nariz GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation 2860	Posted - 2014.10.28 17:23:59 - [47] - Quote Jonah Gravenstein wrote: Veers Belvar wrote: When the Goon propaganda machine stops mocking me and starts "taking me seriously" it's probably time to quit Eve and move on....because at that point I will have stopped saying the truth. To stop telling the truth you must first start telling the truth TL;DR You wouldn't know the truth if it slapped you in the face with a wrecking ball. I'm not so certain that's the kind of ball he is after . This post was loving crafted by a member of the Official GoonWaffe recruitment team. Improve the forums, support this idea: https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&find=unread&t=345133
La Nariz GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation 2860	Posted - 2014.10.28 17:26:19 - [48] - Quote Veers Belvar wrote: La Nariz wrote: Of course as a recruiter it's my job to talk to pubbies so other goons don't have to, the sacrifices I make. Most of the highsec pubbies are blithely unaware of what is going on. None of this removes your obligation of supporting your own claims; of which you have two: -there is a silent majority in highesc that is unhappy with the status quo, -you hold the same views they hold. I guess recruiter and scammer are now interchangeable words? Both claims are hilariously obvious and true, and anyone can easily verify them by going and actually chatting with highsec miners. But if you need even more evidence go read blogposts on minerbumping.com and see the response of folks to the CODE. If they are obviously true then you have no excuse for refusing to produce evidence of them. This post was loving crafted by a member of the Official GoonWaffe recruitment team. Improve the forums, support this idea: https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&find=unread&t=345133
La Nariz GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation 2860	Posted - 2014.10.28 17:29:50 - [49] - Quote @veers: Then you should be able to produce a survey showing a significance. Yes facts and data are required to support your claims, no there isn't an easy way out, yes you and only you have to do the work, no I won't go get baltec1 for you. This post was loving crafted by a member of the Official GoonWaffe recruitment team. Improve the forums, support this idea: https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&find=unread&t=345133
La Nariz GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation 2860	Posted - 2014.10.28 17:31:02 - [50] - Quote Veers Belvar wrote: La Nariz wrote: Jonah Gravenstein wrote: Veers Belvar wrote: When the Goon propaganda machine stops mocking me and starts "taking me seriously" it's probably time to quit Eve and move on....because at that point I will have stopped saying the truth. To stop telling the truth you must first start telling the truth TL;DR You wouldn't know the truth if it slapped you in the face with a wrecking ball. I'm not so certain that's the kind of ball he is after . Insinuations of homosexuality (and false ones I might add!)? The new Goon meta? Bigotry and hatred are not cool man. This post was loving crafted by a member of the Official GoonWaffe recruitment team. Improve the forums, support this idea: https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&find=unread&t=345133

La Nariz GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation 2860	Posted - 2014.10.28 17:35:30 - [51] - Quote Veers Belvar wrote: La Nariz wrote: Bigotry and hatred are not cool man. Ooooh....epic. Accuse me of homosexuality, get called on it, respond that doing so is "bigotry and hatred." It's not even a good troll. Try harder. This is really the best Goons can muster? I didn't accuse you of anything I called you out for your homophobia. This post was loving crafted by a member of the Official GoonWaffe recruitment team. Improve the forums, support this idea: https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&find=unread&t=345133
La Nariz GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation 2861	Posted - 2014.10.28 17:50:48 - [52] - Quote Veers Belvar wrote: La Nariz wrote: Veers Belvar wrote: La Nariz wrote: Bigotry and hatred are not cool man. Ooooh....epic. Accuse me of homosexuality, get called on it, respond that doing so is "bigotry and hatred." It's not even a good troll. Try harder. This is really the best Goons can muster? I didn't accuse you of anything I called you out for your homophobia. You accused me of having a mancrush on someone, and then questioned what type of "ball" I am after with a red embarrassed face. Pretty low stuff. Maybe try to show at least a shred of class here? I noted an observation I never accused you of anything. You are the one that got homophobic on all of us. This post was loving crafted by a member of the Official GoonWaffe recruitment team. Improve the forums, support this idea: https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&find=unread&t=345133
La Nariz GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation 2861	Posted - 2014.10.28 18:01:11 - [53] - Quote @veers: Your repeated longing for Baltec1 was my evidence. e: I don't care what pubbies think of us they don't hold any sort of power over us and thet harbor bigotry for us because they don't like our culture. The worthy get to join the unworthy get to wail on the forums about us and be refused entrance. This post was loving crafted by a member of the Official GoonWaffe recruitment team. Improve the forums, support this idea: https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&find=unread&t=345133
La Nariz GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation 2861	Posted - 2014.10.28 18:16:04 - [54] - Quote Veers Belvar wrote: La Nariz wrote: @veers: Your repeated longing for Baltec1 was my evidence. That I said he is a better propagandist and has clearer talking points is in no conceivable way an indication of sexual preference. Please in the future do try to avoid this kind of stupidity, it just adds more fuel to forums full of so much trolling and antagonism already. Ralph said it better than I can right now so read his post twice. This post was loving crafted by a member of the Official GoonWaffe recruitment team. Improve the forums, support this idea: https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&find=unread&t=345133
La Nariz GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation 2898	Posted - 2014.10.29 03:58:42 - [55] - Quote Veers Belvar wrote: Well I'm glad you agree with me on what the miners would say. Now if only you could convince your allies of the same, there seems to be no end to the number of irrational posts asking me to "prove" this. I commend you for at least having the competent to see the obvious truth here. The reality is that due to the AFK nature of mining, and the type of people who do it, they will never be able to defend themselves. No ifs ands or buts about it. As for the tenor of the posters here, the "carebear" posters tend to mocked, ridiculed, wardecced, hunted down in game, and eventually driven out of it entirely. I have spoken with multiple folks who have had those experiences when speaking up for "carebears," which is why you don't see em here. Thankfully I'm not someone who can be bullied like that. The entitlement dripping from this post is nauseating. This post was loving crafted by a member of the Official GoonWaffe recruitment team. Improve the forums, support this idea: https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&find=unread&t=345133
La Nariz GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation 2899	Posted - 2014.10.29 13:16:31 - [56] - Quote MatrixSkye Mk2 wrote: La Nariz wrote: This all seems to continually converge upon not getting emotionally invested in video games. Then I have great news for you. It would seem that more and more people are becoming less emotionally invested in Eve Online. Indeed a cause for celebration. There is another thread for idiotic EVE is dieing rants npc alt. This post was loving crafted by a member of the Official GoonWaffe recruitment team. Improve the forums, support this idea: https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&find=unread&t=345133
La Nariz GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation 2907	Posted - 2014.10.29 18:17:32 - [57] - Quote Other than it making financial sense to nerf highsec. This post was loving crafted by a member of the Official GoonWaffe recruitment team. Improve the forums, support this idea: https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&find=unread&t=345133
La Nariz GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation 2913	Posted - 2014.10.30 12:17:49 - [58] - Quote Enable awoxing for NPC corporations only, and make CONCORD not respond to violence against <10 man corporations. All of EVE' problems solved in two changes. This post was loving crafted by a member of the Official GoonWaffe recruitment team. Improve the forums, support this idea: https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&find=unread&t=345133
La Nariz GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation 2915	Posted - 2014.10.30 14:54:53 - [59] - Quote Veers Belvar wrote: La Nariz wrote: Enable awoxing for NPC corporations only, and make CONCORD not respond to violence against <10 man corporations. All of EVE' problems solved in two changes. Oh yes because nothing would be better for Eve than the creation of 10 man alt corps or forcing everyone into the blue donut. The playerbase has spoken - their response to awoxxing is to stay in NPC corps...they don't like the mechanic. That is what is motivating CCP, not the fact that awoxxing is claiming victims, but the fact that highsecers are responding en masse by just avoiding the entire corporation system because of it. It would improve a lot of things and give an incentive to get out of npc corps. It adds easily mitigated risk. You also need to provide proof that people stay in npc corps because of awoxing. CCP is repeating history right now and we know how popular incarna was. This post was loving crafted by a member of the Official GoonWaffe recruitment team. Improve the forums, support this idea: https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&find=unread&t=345133
La Nariz GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation 2915	Posted - 2014.10.30 15:13:09 - [60] - Quote Fabio Suave wrote: I don't like the time-based skill system. Instead I wish we all got X number of skill points, and we could drop 1-5 points into any skills we wanted. Maybe it's an idea for EVE 2? I just hate waiting weeks or months for a skill to train. I love everything else about EVE. This and remove learning implants. This post was loving crafted by a member of the Official GoonWaffe recruitment team. Improve the forums, support this idea: https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&find=unread&t=345133

La Nariz GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation 2915	Posted - 2014.10.30 15:27:41 - [61] - Quote Wait with unlimited skill queue all we need to do is remove learning implants. This post was loving crafted by a member of the Official GoonWaffe recruitment team. Improve the forums, support this idea: https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&find=unread&t=345133
La Nariz GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation 2917	Posted - 2014.10.30 16:10:01 - [62] - Quote R0mparkin wrote: La Nariz wrote: Veers Belvar wrote: La Nariz wrote: Enable awoxing for NPC corporations only, and make CONCORD not respond to violence against <10 man corporations. All of EVE' problems solved in two changes. Oh yes because nothing would be better for Eve than the creation of 10 man alt corps or forcing everyone into the blue donut. The playerbase has spoken - their response to awoxxing is to stay in NPC corps...they don't like the mechanic. That is what is motivating CCP, not the fact that awoxxing is claiming victims, but the fact that highsecers are responding en masse by just avoiding the entire corporation system because of it. It would improve a lot of things and give an incentive to get out of npc corps. It adds easily mitigated risk. You also need to provide proof that people stay in npc corps because of awoxing. CCP is repeating history right now and we know how popular incarna was. i will confirm it. i stay out of corps because of it. Now get a couple thousand more people's opinion and do some statistics and we might have something. This post was loving crafted by a member of the Official GoonWaffe recruitment team. Improve the forums, support this idea: https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&find=unread&t=345133
La Nariz GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation 2972	Posted - 2014.10.31 19:39:36 - [63] - Quote Shizuken wrote: Aeon Plex wrote: Ask yourself though, when the majority of people that come into this game as newbies get treated like crap, (I have been treated like crap plenty more times than this in EVE) and for no reason, and leave, can you blame them? And can you see any future in a game like that? Any real value? Whatever, I'll buy another ship, but how much longer can a game like this really last? I've talked with ppl on TS about this, and they are just as worried about the serious lack of new blood in EVE. Amen to this. There really should be severe consequences to all fighting in highsec, more than just a loss of a ship. and an insignificant sec status drop. Wardecs need to go bye bye too. They are the equivalent to the government allowing criminal activity against others for no reason at all. In either context it is an affront to fundamental fairness and civility. If you want to fight people take your bullshit to low/null sec. Allowing that boorishness in highsec to go unpunshed is what turns people off from this game. There is a reason, capsuleers bribe the government to ignore the crime that's going to happen. Removing pvp from highsec should only happen if all activities are also removed from highsec. This post was loving crafted by a member of the Official GoonWaffe recruitment team. Improve the forums, support this idea: https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&find=unread&t=345133
La Nariz GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation 2975	Posted - 2014.11.01 03:55:55 - [64] - Quote Herzog Wolfhammer wrote: So a thread about AWOXing has spilled over into a thread asking "what is wrong with Eve?". Think about that. Highsec has more prevalence in this thread than awoxing think about that. This post was loving crafted by a member of the Official GoonWaffe recruitment team. Improve the forums, support this idea: https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&find=unread&t=345133
La Nariz GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation 2981	Posted - 2014.11.01 13:34:51 - [65] - Quote Herzog Wolfhammer wrote: Yeah yeah the usual hate highsec and all that. The schtick is getting old. I've prowled in goon space. All they do is farm out there. What wrong with Eve is that everybody boils down to farming and grinding and even those who win at Eve merely win more farming. Enjoy the stagnation. If they fixed the risk : reward dynamic it would stop coming up. This post was loving crafted by a member of the Official GoonWaffe recruitment team. Improve the forums, support this idea: https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&find=unread&t=345133
La Nariz GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation 3002	Posted - 2014.11.03 22:10:19 - [66] - Quote Highsec and super caps are the two most wrong things with eve. This post was loving crafted by a member of the Official GoonWaffe recruitment team. Improve the forums, support this idea: https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&find=unread&t=345133
La Nariz GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation 3010	Posted - 2014.11.04 14:50:25 - [67] - Quote Isboxer is okay until ccp says it's not. This post was loving crafted by a member of the Official GoonWaffe recruitment team. Improve the forums, support this idea: https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&find=unread&t=345133

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