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Amato
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Posted - 2006.08.19 14:17:00 -
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So I downloaded the game and added a one month subscription. I figured, well, the game looks nice, let's give it a try.
And the first days were awesome. I really enjoyed being able to explore the systems and do missions where I wanted to. But then I decided to do something different.
I usually play with Alistair Sirius, a neutral trader, hauler and miner. I figured that the organizations InterBus and ORE would the best candidates to do missions for. So I did a few missions for Interbus, but sadly, I couldn't join them. So I tried for ORE instead.
And there I went. All the way towards the Outer Ring. I figured the area would be "someone's" territory, but as I have very little interest to the alliance that "controls" the space, I hoped it would be ok for me to do missions for the ORE bases within "their" homeground.
The first few 0.0 systems were fine. No hostilities, so I was looking forward to go to the ORE base. Then in the next system, I got instantly pod-killed. By someone of the RISE alliance. I said, hey, it's just a rookie ship, you don't have anything to fear from me. If you need a randsom, just let me know. I'm completely neutral and plan to do missions for ORE.
The reply: Nothing personal, we don't take a randsom and we kill everyone that is of neutral status to us or worse.
I was kind of annoyed by the answer, but I still had high hopes it would still work out just fine. So in my next attempt just before the server shutdown I reached the base in 4C-B7X, I discovered that I couldn't join ORE as well. That was a disappointment, but I still decided to continue doing missions for them.
So I started the first mission after the server came back up and was doing fine in my Velator with civilian gear. I completed the mission and wanted to go back and hand in the quest. But just as I was about to dock with the station I got instantly pod killed again by someone else from RISE.
I said to myself. Wow, these players from RISE must feel real heroes instantly shooting down rookies. I eve-mailed several of them that I had no hostile intentions and that they should just leave me be. So I decided to go back to the system again. But got shot for the third time on my way there. And then I wondered.
Is this really what you expected from the game? Players able to kill other players without warning that are not equal in terms of gear and time spent?
So I am asking the community here. Is this really worth spending my money on? I like the game very much, but the PvP mentality and ability of shooting first and asking questions later is not something I really like. PvP is nice and should be implemented, but it can be a barrier for more PvE minded players like myself that just want to explore and have no interest in "spying".
If you belong to a pirate alliance, do you also kill all players invading "your" territory? Even if they are crappy geared and have no real interest in the PvP part? Where is the "white flag ability" to protect PvE players from PvP players that just want to kill for the sake of killing as the PvE player has no loot worth to kill him or her for?
Please be honest everyone. There is no need for me to subscribe to a game that I don't like after all as the PvE players are relatively unprotected when exploring. |
Jenny Spitfire
Caldari
LoneStar Industries
Veritas Immortalis
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Posted - 2006.08.19 14:19:00 -
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Dunno about you. I pay EvE for virtual pain. 
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Y'laaris Brood
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Posted - 2006.08.19 14:21:00 -
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Problem is they dont know if you really are a harmless trader or whether you're someones alt, roaming the area and providing intel on fleet movements.
best bet is to try evemailing their command and trying to get a standing increase.
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Drakus
Minmatar
PAX Interstellar Services
Veritas Immortalis
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Posted - 2006.08.19 14:24:00 -
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Amato, ya need to look at this from the other side though.
Rise see some guy in a noob ship that keeps tryin to get into the space they fight for.
They have no idea who he is, but could very well be a spy from a hostile alliance/corp coming to look for easy kills for its main.
Noob corp members will ALMOST ALWAYS be killed in 0.0 space.
Ya need to find a corp that is in RISE, try and join them, or find out if there is a way to join a nutral corp of theres. You don't invade then ask if you can come in. Ya do that, you get killed.. Plain and simple.
I have returned.
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Benco97
Gallente
On Ravens Wings
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Posted - 2006.08.19 14:25:00 -
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I'll say yes, play the game and you'll enjoy it but you DO have a point there, I myself just recently was accused of being a spy alt... a 3 and a half yer old spy alt but still an alt none the less and so was shot on sight, even after getting permission to be in that space.
My advice, try to get friendly with the corp who own the space.
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Emily Spankratchet
Minmatar
Pragmatics
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Posted - 2006.08.19 14:25:00 -
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I'm sure that you'll get lots of replies from 0.0 dwellers on this one explaining about NBSI and why it's in their best interests to exclude neutrals from the space they control.
In answer to your question: Maybe it's not worth paying for the game if your plans involve heading off into dangerous areas of space without doing a little research. The galaxy is full of pilots, and their plans will often conflict with yours. If this dismays you, then EvE probably isn't for you.
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Arkios Odymei
Caldar Mercenary Syndicate
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Posted - 2006.08.19 14:27:00 -
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Well, you see The reason you were killed was that the alliance has a "NBSI" policy. "Not-Blue-Shoot-It"
What that means is that every friendly corporation and alliance member allowed to fly in the area is marked with a Positive standing, which shows up as a blue '+' tag on their ship in space. If you dont have this "blue" tag, you will be shot. Since you have a neutral standing, you arenot Blue.
You may say, "ok, but why would they shoot me in my starter ship?" Often times, enemy alliances will use 'Alt' characters as forward scouts. they use these newly made characters for the sole purpose of obtaining information on enemy movements ect. So for all RISE alliance knew, you could have just ben an Alt scout for an enemy alliance, hence you were shot.
And BTW, ORE and InterBus are NPC corporations, not real (Player) corperations. I dont think you can really join those. Id say that you should join an actual player corporation.
Also, I'd recomend that you stick to High-Sec space (0.5 or Greater) untill you are ready to be shot at.
Hope this helps abit. Any more questions?
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Kilaka
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Posted - 2006.08.19 14:27:00 -
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If you're really dead set on running missions in 0.0 you might want to try to get into one of the player alliances in that area of space.
People do try to infiltrate other corps for intel.
You're brave, I have been playing for quite some time and still haven't ventured into 0.0. You might want to try running missions for one of the navies. You can look up where the agents for various corporations are and avoid low sec space. Once you have more skills and experience you can go back for revenge or to join them.
I think you'll like the game better if you stick to .5 and up space for a while.
Also as a side note you can't join NPC corporations any more. When you leave a player corporation you are defaulted to one of your race's NPC corps.
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Imaran
Forum Moderator
Interstellar Services Department
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Posted - 2006.08.19 14:27:00 -
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It's a good idea to read the player guide before venturing into the lesser secure areas of Eve.
Player corporations and alliances tend to keep close watch over their claimed space, and as you've seen they don't enjoy having unwelcome guests.
Members of the playerbase can also not join NPC corporations, aside from the default corporation they start in, and the corporation that they end up in if they resign from a player corp.
Eve is a violent, hostile and volatile place. It has been for three years and only the cunning, fit and able tend to survive.
It's probably a good idea to familiarise yourself with the player guide, which can be found in the menu to the left of this post, 7th from the top in the "Eve Online" section.
This should help a lot. As well as that you can join the "Rookie Help" channel in game, and if you feel the urge to venture into 0.0 space, view this map which is a player created map that is kept up to date with the political situation in Eve, showing Alliance borders and potential danger areas.
The best thing to do is contact a senior member of the alliance who's border you're attempting to cross, and attempt to negotiate standings.
...or you could join of course.
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Gram Fortin
Gallente
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Posted - 2006.08.19 14:27:00 -
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I've only been playing for about a month and a half and I've gotten hit in low sec too. Difference is I knew it was a risk. There is a reason people are allowed to kill you with no consequences. Personally I think it creates an aura of risk and challenge to the game, instead of being able to go where you want, when you want, like just about every other game.
Are there groups that will kill newbs? Of course
Are there groups that don't kill newbs? Yes
Does the former outnumber the latter? Sure does
If you're new to the game stick to the high security systems. If you want to be a trader/miner you don't have to go into low sec yet.
If you don't like that there is a large portion of space designed specifically for the purpose of PvP then don't go there, or don't play. If you feel that its not worth spending your money on then don't.
Its entirely what you make out of it.
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Velsharoon
Gallente
Corsets and Carebears
Whips and Chains
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Posted - 2006.08.19 14:28:00 -
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 Originally by: Amato
I have very little interest to the alliance that "controls" the space, I hoped it would be ok for me to do missions for the ORE bases within "their" homeground.
They dont know that, you are new, cant be trusted, so you die. EVE is harsh, you have to always think of other players and not just your playtime.
Solution is join RISE.
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Nicholai Pestot
Gallente
Havoc Inc
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Posted - 2006.08.19 14:29:00 -
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This game is a PvP game, right to its core. Even if you never fire a shot in anger you WILL be interacting and compeating with other players the second you buy/sell stuff on the market.
That is the core intent of CCP when they made this game (it is/was on their company website somewhere).
If you dont want/like PvP then you are correct in that your money is being wasted, sticking to PvE you will only ever experiance a tiny fraction of this games potential which is, and always will be, interacting (from PEW PEW PEW to trade) with other players.
Toodles, dont let the server hit you on the way out.
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Bull Slater
Minmatar
Tekumi
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Posted - 2006.08.19 14:30:00 -
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I'd have said the best bet would be to stay in 0.5 or higher until you are more familiar with the game and how ruthless it can be to new players. Flying deep into 0.0 space, which is most likely claimed territory just after starting the game (by RISE in this case) you're going to be shot either by the people claiming the territory thinking you're a spy of an enemy, or a wandering pirate fleet, or just about anyone else there. Is it fair? From your point of view no and I'm sure it put you off wanting to keep playing but if you play longer you'll understand how the game works better and know what not to do.
Is the game worth playing and paying for? For a lot of people it is but the learning curve can be brutal and seems a lot worse if you fly around thinking you won't be shot because you're 'new' to the game. Essentially you were trespassing on their territory and they killed you for it, that's the way PvP works a lot in Eve. Kill first or risk being killed for it.
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Flaming sambuka
IDLE GUNS
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Posted - 2006.08.19 14:32:00 -
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No ones asked yet so... can i have your stuff?
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Eilie
Minmatar
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Posted - 2006.08.19 14:32:00 -
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Originally by: Amato
...And there I went. All the way towards the Outer Ring. I figured the area would be "someone's" territory, but as I have very little interest to the alliance that "controls" the space, I hoped it would be ok for me to do missions for the ORE bases within "their" homeground.
The first few 0.0 systems were fine. No hostilities, so I was looking forward to go to the ORE base. Then in the next system, I got instantly pod-killed. By someone of the RISE alliance. I said, hey, it's just a rookie ship, you don't have anything to fear from me. If you need a randsom, just let me know. I'm completely neutral and plan to do missions for ORE.
The reply: Nothing personal, we don't take a randsom and we kill everyone that is of neutral status to us or worse.
I was kind of annoyed by the answer, but I still had high hopes it would still work out just fine. So in my next attempt just before the server shutdown I reached the base in 4C-B7X, I discovered that I couldn't join ORE as well. That was a disappointment, but I still decided to continue doing missions for them.
So I started the first mission after the server came back up and was doing fine in my Velator with civilian gear. I completed the mission and wanted to go back and hand in the quest. But just as I was about to dock with the station I got instantly pod killed again by someone else from RISE.
I said to myself. Wow, these players from RISE must feel real heroes instantly shooting down rookies. I eve-mailed several of them that I had no hostile intentions and that they should just leave me be. So I decided to go back to the system again. But got shot for the third time on my way there. And then I wondered.
Is this really what you expected from the game? Players able to kill other players without warning that are not equal in terms of gear and time spent?
So I am asking the community here. Is this really worth spending my money on? I like the game very much, but the PvP mentality and ability of shooting first and asking questions later is not something I really like. PvP is nice and should be implemented, but it can be a barrier for more PvE minded players like myself that just want to explore and have no interest in "spying".
If you belong to a pirate alliance, do you also kill all players invading "your" territory? Even if they are crappy geared and have no real interest in the PvP part? Where is the "white flag ability" to protect PvE players from PvP players that just want to kill for the sake of killing as the PvE player has no loot worth to kill him or her for?
Please be honest everyone. There is no need for me to subscribe to a game that I don't like after all as the PvE players are relatively unprotected when exploring.
I'll explain this for you simply: THIS IS A PvP GAME ONLY!
Sure there is PvE stuff, but it's just to make money so that you can than PvP. If you try to play this game for only the PvE, you'll get bored as hell because there is almost no PvE content. If you really want to only do PvE than stay in 0.5+ space where you are safe (as long as you don't carry around really expensive stuff because than you'll be suicide killed.)
Also, they didn't kill you for no reason. You invaded them just by going into their space and they were forced to kill you. Even though you are a new character, they can't tell if you are really a newbie or an alt spy. If you really want to mine or mission in low sec or 0.0, than just join one of the corps or alliances there. You'll be much safer but you still have to watch for enemies and maybe help in alittle PvP in cheap frigs.
Anyway, I recommend you should go play WoW. Based on your attitude, it is much more suitable for you! 
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Jim McGregor
Caldari
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Posted - 2006.08.19 14:40:00 -
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Dont flame the guy. His post is well written and he is just trying to understand how Eve works. He is not asking for the game to be changed.
My own response to the OP is basicly that you should definently stay in safe space (sec rating 0.5+) and do missions for agents there instead. If someone attacks you there, there is concord (police) to protect you.
Bottom line is that eve is not very good as a pve game though. The game really shines when it comes to pvp, and the pve content is basicly for making money. That doesnt stop people from constantly running missions in empire though.. just collecting money and buying better gear. To each their own. But WoW is much better for PVE.
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Avaleric
Amarr
Afterlife inc
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Posted - 2006.08.19 14:43:00 -
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RISE is trigger happy, and they will shoot u even faster that BoB (pirates) will. Only solution os to get to know someone, or join a corp that is either a member or friendly...sad, but true
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Joe
N.A.G.A Corporation
The Big Blue
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Posted - 2006.08.19 14:43:00 -
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Originally by: Amato
the PvP mentality and ability of shooting first and asking questions later is not something I really like
You dont like it? would you prefer to constantly be fighting off hostiles and suffering loss's in your home region?
You are a player without reputation, and more importantly without accountability, nobody knows who you are, what style of game you play and wether or not you 'have no interest in "spying"'.
Originally by: Same Guy
Where is the "white flag ability" to protect PvE players from PvP players
IT IS CALLED EMPIRE, AND YOU CHOOSE TO LEAVE IT. (you even cliked the warning pop-up)
I read through your entire whine a couple of times incase i missed something, but i think i can say confidently that Eve is not the Game for you, and you are going to waste cash playing it, you dont ask questions in chat (like 'can i join an Npc corp?', which would have prevented the entire situation)and you haven't tried to Join a corp that can offer you access to 0.0, instead just wandered in, AND in the most used 'spy mode', and then wondered wtf happened?
This is a multiplayer game, where interaction is the Key to Everything, you obviously have a PVE attitude and dont want to interact even at a basic level, which isn't going to get you far, or let you get the most out of the game.
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thiefkiller3
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Posted - 2006.08.19 15:16:00 -
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Originally by: Joe
I read through your entire whine a couple of times incase i missed something, but i think i can say confidently that Eve is not the Game for you, and you are going to waste cash playing it, you dont ask questions in chat (like 'can i join an Npc corp?', which would have prevented the entire situation)and you haven't tried to Join a corp that can offer you access to 0.0, instead just wandered in, AND in the most used 'spy mode', and then wondered wtf happened?
This is a multiplayer game, where interaction is the Key to Everything, you obviously have a PVE attitude and dont want to interact even at a basic level, which isn't going to get you far, or let you get the most out of the game.
QFT
Could not have said it better
cheers,
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Eilie
Minmatar
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Posted - 2006.08.19 15:20:00 -
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Originally by: Joe
Originally by: Amato
the PvP mentality and ability of shooting first and asking questions later is not something I really like
You dont like it? would you prefer to constantly be fighting off hostiles and suffering loss's in your home region?
You are a player without reputation, and more importantly without accountability, nobody knows who you are, what style of game you play and wether or not you 'have no interest in "spying"'.
Originally by: Same Guy
Where is the "white flag ability" to protect PvE players from PvP players
IT IS CALLED EMPIRE, AND YOU CHOOSE TO LEAVE IT. (you even cliked the warning pop-up)
I read through your entire whine a couple of times incase i missed something, but i think i can say confidently that Eve is not the Game for you, and you are going to waste cash playing it, you dont ask questions in chat (like 'can i join an Npc corp?', which would have prevented the entire situation)and you haven't tried to Join a corp that can offer you access to 0.0, instead just wandered in, AND in the most used 'spy mode', and then wondered wtf happened?
This is a multiplayer game, where interaction is the Key to Everything, you obviously have a PVE attitude and dont want to interact even at a basic level, which isn't going to get you far, or let you get the most out of the game.
Nice one Joe! (My name is Joe in r/l so you just made me proud!) 
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Chereadenine Zakalwe
VENOM72
Cobra Alliance
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Posted - 2006.08.19 17:39:00 -
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im sorry that you lost your ships and gear.but im sure that it mentions the peril of low sec space in the new player guide.thats assuming you read it?stick with the game,find a corp who are based in low sec if you want to play in there,and if not stay away until your able to get around safe(ish)ly
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Andicuri Vas
Gallente
Celtic Anarchy
Black Reign Syndicate
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Posted - 2006.08.19 18:21:00 -
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Originally by: Flaming sambuka
No ones asked yet so... can i have your stuff?
You want a Velator and Civilian Mining Laser?
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Inspiration
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Posted - 2006.08.19 18:28:00 -
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This game is worth paying for, dispite the periodic server setbacks, and player hostility. If you know what you are doing (and you will with time), the hostilities are not insurmountable. Its a game that is for the long run, and its well worth it given the increasing number of players in this game.
All is not perfect, but what is :)
Its up to you tho!
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Crumplecorn
Gallente
Aerial Boundaries Inc.
Interstellar Starbase Syndicate
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Posted - 2006.08.19 18:38:00 -
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Originally by: Amato
Idiocy
Words fail me.
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Michiyo Daishi
Royal Knights of Khanid
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Posted - 2006.08.19 21:36:00 -
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EVE is harsh. It has to be, or else it'll die :( Sorry for your loss, but if you cant adapt and interact with the game and the people who play it, I'm afraid you're in for some really serious hair-pulling moments of pure unadultered frustration.
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Marcus Starr
Chosen Path
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Posted - 2006.08.19 21:55:00 -
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To guys like Joe, take it easy on the guy jeez. He's just trying to grasp things. No need to chew him out and think of his post as a whine.
To Amato, i'd say it's not worth it for you to spend any more money to play Eve. Best wishes and I hope you find another game that suits you.
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Azure Skyclad
Jericho Fraction
The Star Fraction
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Posted - 2006.08.19 22:00:00 -
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...and here dear reader, we have the typical bottom feeder response from the typical "hulk smash" 0.0 dweller.
Sure, the youngster might be a spy for a gang or alliance. Might be.
You sure as hell werent going to bother finding out were you?
"Eve is harsh" blah blah.
"OMG whine whine!" blah blah
Guess what? Youre the ones *making* it harsh.
You might have met a friend in Amato. A potentially useful member of one of your corps. Instead, you reach for the NBSI cookie cutter, leave your brains in neutral and let the F1,F2,F3 reflex do the talking.
Classy.
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Riho
Mercenary Forces
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Posted - 2006.08.19 22:09:00 -
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seems like you went to theyr territory... that means noone is allwed in exept them :P
its like someone wants to come into ur home and say that he doesnt have hostile intentions but ill just use ur toilet or something :P you woulnt like that... same whit them. they dont liek strangers.
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mechtech
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Posted - 2006.08.19 22:09:00 -
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what possible reason do they have NOT to kill you? that space is some of the best 0.0 space in the game, and im sure they fought very hard to set up a base there. You might be an alt spy, or something like that, no reason to let a possible security risk through.
now maybe if you convo'd them beforehand, and explained your situation, they would have let you poke around a bit, but you cant just expect to rush in.
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Korbin Dallas
Caldari
Bunny Killers Inc
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Posted - 2006.08.19 22:12:00 -
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Originally by: Marcus Starr
To guys like Joe, take it easy on the guy jeez. He's just trying to grasp things. No need to chew him out and think of his post as a whine.
To Amato, i'd say it's not worth it for you to spend any more money to play Eve. Best wishes and I hope you find another game that suits you.
Better yet, tell all your friends about your experience, pass on the word, so they can avoid such hardship!
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