Originally by: Lala Ru

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This does raise some interesting questions. For all those who vouched for EIB, what of them? Will they forever be suspected of being accomplices? ARE they accomplices? Will they throw themselves upon ceremonial suicide swords and empty their wallets to help reimburse those who lost money?

Something like this actually happened to my maternal grandfater. He was part of running a bank that tured out to be a scam. He didn't know about it, so he could have gotten off scott free. However, many people who were his friends and fellow soldiers had put their money in the bank because of him, so he emptied his own wallet in order to reimburse as many people as he could. And thus the story on why our family is a poor one in America, instead of a rich one back in Taiwan.

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Originally by: Dentara Rast

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The only person involved was me. 1 Person. And that one character I used was Cally.


Not one person who supported the EIB, worked for the EIB, or was involved in anyway with the EIB was aware of my intentions.

I fooled everyone.

I win EVE.


This is why

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Originally by: Lala Ru

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Scary thought:Supposedly Cally's phone number is actually real. What if someone with a bit too much monet and an axe to grind gives the phone number to a private investigator? I know that if you type and American phone number into google, it'll spit out the RL address. Don't know about British numbers though. . .

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Originally by: Kitty O'Shay

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Originally by: Lala Ru

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This is a game, not something to lose your life over.

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No, you just fake your death right before unveiling your master plan.

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Originally by: Crazy Bugger

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Originally by: Sir Juri

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Originally by: Lala Ru

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This does raise some interesting questions. For all those who vouched for EIB, what of them? Will they forever be suspected of being accomplices? ARE they accomplices? Will they throw themselves upon ceremonial suicide swords and empty their wallets to help reimburse those who lost money?

Something like this actually happened to my maternal grandfater. He was part of running a bank that tured out to be a scam. He didn't know about it, so he could have gotten off scott free. However, many people who were his friends and fellow soldiers had put their money in the bank because of him, so he emptied his own wallet in order to reimburse as many people as he could. And thus the story on why our family is a poor one in America, instead of a rich one back in Taiwan.

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well as napthalia emfi and dark shikari guaranteed its not a scam just like omber and other fools, I think they should be suspected tbh. Or atleast they should be ignored in the future in things conserning this.

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They never guarranteed it was not a scam. I don't believe a single person guaranteed it, not even me. In regards to the audio file, I have nothing to say.... Using people and their reputations to perpetuate your scam (while it is within the EULA) is disgusting, and faking your own death in this way just adds to the sour taste I have in my mouth.

For the record, I am glad you have come forward with this so we finally have some closure on this bloody drama series.

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Originally by: Dark Shikari

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The next question is... is Kal a Dentara alt too?

/had this suspicion in the back of my mind for a while, and for that reason never bought any EIBI shares, ever.

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Originally by: Dark Shikari

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Edited by: Dark Shikari on 20/08/2006 02:46:08

Originally by: Dagam

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The evidence was there the whole time. Personally I was surprised Dark Shikari defended EIB for as long as he did.

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I don't think its fair to call "scam" unless the probability of a scam is 100%.

Until one calls "scam", it is important to look at every possibility.

Also, I had a GREAT deal of information about what was going on, however I could not tell anyone due to certain non-disclosure agreements with certain parties. If I suddenly called scam and said "OMG SEE LOOK AT THIS INFO ITS A SCAM" it would be violating those agreements.

So I continued beating down the alts and Currin, while continuing to avoid investing a cent in the EIB

Originally by: Sir Juri

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Originally by: Dark Shikari

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The next question is... is Kal a Dentara alt too?

/had this suspicion in the back of my mind for a while, and for that reason never bought any EIBI shares, ever.

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you never bought any but still supported and spoke for cally's behalf? you still stand by napthalia and EMFI and their audit and that they are trustworthy to? btw you still offer condolences to cally's family about his so called overdose?

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I edited my post to add condolences because otherwise the mod would have deleted it.

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Originally by: Dark Shikari

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Originally by: Kenz Rider

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DS is out for DS. Just remember that.

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Well, more importantly:

My honor/trust > everything else.

While we're at it, here's a screenie of UEMA wallet withdrawals: Linkage

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Originally by: Kerushi

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Originally by: Dark Shikari

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So I continued beating down the alts and Currin, while continuing to avoid investing a cent in the EIB

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but alts ran and still running the bank

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Originally by: Dark Shikari

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Edited by: Dark Shikari on 20/08/2006 03:02:12

Originally by: Kristin Bergljot

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Originally by: Dark Shikari

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My honor/trust > everything else.

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And you have none since you lied to everyone else on the forums and enabled Dentara to get away with his scam.

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Lied?

Unfortunately, I told the truth.

I thought there was a high chance of EIB not being a scam. Turned out it was.

You fools will spin this every way you want, but it comes down to this quite simply: I didn't think the chance of EIB being a scam was that high. I was wrong.

My posts come with no guarantee of being right. I have no better information than those of the best informed players out there (EMFI Manager/Naphtalia) and yet I'm still often wrong.

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Originally by: Dark Shikari

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And since there's no reason not to, I will explain in more detail why I did not yell "scam" at any point during this charade.

I guessed early on at a 1 in 8 chance of EIB being a scam, back before all the drama happened, and before a lot of the suspicious things took place (along with the audit with very questionable results). That chance reached in my mind about 5 in 8 by the time the video was posted.

Imagine if I had gone along with Currin and yelled that it was a scam. In my mind, there was a 7 in 8 chance I would be wrong. Imagine the embarassment if I had yelled scam and it wasn't? Imagine how stupid I would have looked if I yelled scam for 4 months and it never happened? Especially as in my mind, the chance was relatively low.

The chance rose, but I stuck to the logic. I figured it would be better to stay undecided and knock down arguments on both sides (both against it being a scam and for it being a scam) and try to encourage good discussion rather than the reposting of old talking points. I avoided encouraging investment: it had always sounded too fishy to me to invest in.

And in the end, I think it worked out.

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Originally by: Dark Shikari

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Edited by: Dark Shikari on 20/08/2006 03:35:08

Originally by: Darkon Gatland

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Oh dear DS. Let me get this straight, you advocated for EIB but you didn't buy any shares or invest any cash and you were unharmed by said scam?

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I did not advocate the EIB.

Primarily, I defended the EIB against accusations that I thought were baseless.

I thought it was unfair to call EIB a scam based on the current information. More fair was to consider the possibility that it could be a scam.

I thought that calling EIB a scam a month, two months, three months ago based on the evidence available was simply unfair.

I still believe I was right: the evidence was not enough to make a full, trustworthy decision. So I didn't.

I don't believe I ever suggested that people invest in the EIB. Doing so would be simply dishonest.

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Originally by: Treelox

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just for the sake of clarity.....


while cally in his video called this a scam. His claims that only he was in on it. Plus stating in the video that he only decided to take the isk and run 2 months ago. That all the other workers, tellers, and directors of EIB/EIBI were not in on it.

By Callys own words it is in fact really a case of embezzlement, especially if Kal continues to make good on his word, and pay out to depositors,investors, and staff.

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Originally by: Treelox

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Originally by: Dark Shikari

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I haven't watched the video, but from what I heard, didn't Dentara claim that Kal was his alt?

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Not that i was able to hear, of course if he did I might not been able to hear it. I do believe I heard him say that he only did it with Cally in the bank though.

You would think that if some one wish to gloat and make a 16min long diatribe of mental mastur-bation, they could have at least made it with some quality. IMO SVE's exit message was far classier and better produced.

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Originally by: Kerushi

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just look at Dentara Rast post history to see he has more old aged chars coming for a new scam

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Originally by: Dark Shikari

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Edited by: Dark Shikari on 20/08/2006 04:12:26

Oh and for those interested, rather than flaming on about this now, EMFI has some pretty decent info coming soonÖ. Maybe tomorrow. So stay on your toes, wait, and see whats going to happen. Or join the EMFI channel and discuss...

P.S. I'll give you a taste of the info. Dentara claims the character Cally will be deleted. . More coming as the scam develops

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Originally by: Dark Shikari

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Edited by: Dark Shikari on 20/08/2006 04:17:31

Originally by: Sir Juri

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Originally by: Dark Shikari

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Edited by: Dark Shikari on 20/08/2006 04:12:26

Oh and for those interested, rather than flaming on about this now, EMFI has some pretty decent info coming soonÖ. Maybe tomorrow. So stay on your toes, wait, and see whats going to happen. Or join the EMFI channel and discuss...

P.S. I'll give you a taste of the info. Dentara claims the character Cally will be deleted. . More coming as the scam develops

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a video with a bunch of "pwnage" or good info? well I hope to see it soon:tm

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Well its not a video, because its already been discussed in a public channel... so you can ask anyone in the channel.

Its fun stuff though. What will be more interesting will be everyone's reaction to it.

Lets just say that Dentara doesn't really care if people know his plans and thoughts now, considering he has all the ISK

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Originally by: Obaspacula

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Originally by: Dentara Rast

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thats right. told everyone but they didnt listen....

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Okay, interesting thing is you had a jackpot, but instead of making yourself into a crime lord, you are now just the typical car jacker. EIB could have been milked to the end of the game and you wouldnt have had to do anything if you wanted.

It will be interesting to see if anyone makes themself into a jabba like character.

No discussing moderation. -Kaemonn

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Originally by: Omber Zombie

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Originally by: Sir Juri

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both you and omber needs to never ever speak on behalf of IPO's, especially when you had suspicions but didnt act upon them even if you couldnt loose any ISK but cant break a "deal" in a game about auditing by someone like napthalia/emfi who cant do audits and is most likely in on it, and got a piece of the scam

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1st) WTF do I have to do with this? I have never commented on EIB. The only thing I have done regarding them was not trade their stocks on EGSE while the audit was ongoing.
2nd) I should make public who I decide to invest in?
3rd) This is the 2nd post in here from you referring to me, have I done something to you in the past to hurt you that I should be aware of?

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Originally by: Omber Zombie

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Actually, no, I won't calm down. You have used my name twice in this thread to illustrate that I am untrustworthy. I didn't defend EIB, I didn't defend SVE either. The only thing I said about SVE was that it was a viable business. Which it was. The fact that it was a scam is the reason I stopped looking at IPO's as I refused to lend my name to something that in theory could be legitimate, but could also be a scam.

Do not use me as a scapegoat, and I won't get ****ed off at you.

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Originally by: IDesert FoxI

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Currin, you have made the market discussions area very interesting for the past few months. I did enjoy reading your tale of currin trading (nearly got me with that one ).

I just can't help but wonder how much you had to do with this. I am sorry for those who lost money, and those who defended Cally. Im still yet to decide if Currin was warning of the bank or just attacking it

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Originally by: Jenny Spitfire

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Edited by: Jenny Spitfire on 20/08/2006 10:43:01

Originally by: Sir Juri

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So whatever/whoever Currin is and what his objectives and motivations are if EIB was legit it wouldnt matter how many accusations were floating around. I think Currin like Cally (perhaps same person?) both have a big ego and the EIB scam was bigger then the SVE one and Currin wanted to destroy his scam or take the glory for beeing the one discovering so he could get more attention then his own scam yielded. Bah doesnt matter, point is Cally created a scam and pulled it off, he didnt scam cause his feeling were hurt

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I think Currin and Cally/Dentara are different person. Currin made a fuss because if Cally's scam happened, Currin's scam would be shadowed by Cally's. We think alike except for the same person part but who knows. >_<

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Originally by: Jack Flack

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Dark Shikari, mumblings of "it was a crapshoot. I guessed wrong" in the midst of your typical contemptous "stupids" and "dumbs" spammings is not an apology. It seems like your spelling is as bad as your guessing. Repeat after me: "I a-p-o-l-o-g-i-s-e. I-w-a-s w-r-o-n-g." I do not remember seeing this line in your posts. But, heh, I am dumb anyway and I read half the posts!

So, you took a crapshoot and guessed wrong, eh? Is that it? I can only hope you are not taking that crapshooting beyond gaming.

And no, despite your constant manipulation in that direction, I did not buy it and avoid investing in EIB. But so what? Other people have! I can not come out with a grinning simile and type "0 loss" selfishly... like you did! How can I? It could have been me!

You would have taken a completely different stance with EIB. But you know what happened? You were scammed only to be reimbursed, so it never hurt and you never learnt!

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