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Now Mary
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Posted - 2006.08.20 08:14:00 -
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I have always woundered why the Nemesis is a Duvolle (who specialize in blasters) ship while the Enyo is a Roden (who specialize in missiles) ship.
Quote: Developer: Duvolle Laboratories
Duvolle Labs manufactures sturdy ships with a good mix of offensive and defensive capabilities. Being the foremost manufacturer of particle blasters, its ships tend to favor turrets and thus have somewhat higher power output than normal.
Quote: Developer: Roden Shipyards
Unlike most Gallente ship manufacturers, Roden Shipyards tend to favor missiles over drones and their ships generaly possess stronger armor. Their electronics capacity, however, tends to be weaker than ships from their competitors.
Now, the Enyo being a Roden ship isn't a big deal, it's a decent ship now although I think it would be better if it were more geared towards blasters, however it works as it is. But the Nemesis being a Duvolle ship does not make sense to me.
Roden is the Gallente manufacture that has the missile expeirence, why they would not be contracted to create the Stealth Bomber for the Gallente Navy (I dont get into the whole RP deal, so excuse me if I'm talking out of my ass) - a frigate that is highly specialized in missiles. I can only guess that there is a certain balance to the number of ships in each class made by each manufacturer, and that the Assualt frigates came into the game before the bombers, which is why this is 'mixed' up.
So CCP, if I am correct, I petition you to switch this around as you continue to look into changing assualt frigates (granted, there has been little information on this front for several months and as such this project may have been canned). I beleive the Enyo would benefit from a re-imaging in the form of a mini-deimos, changing the optimal bonus to a fall off bonus, and perhaps changing the tracking to a second damage bonus.
Then, if you choose to give Assualt Frigates their fourth bonus (and that's neither here nor there), grant the Enyo that 5% mass reduction bonus you have talked about giving the Hyperion (with appropriate mass balancing to prevent these ships from becoming too light). I think the Deimos and Thorax would also benefit greatly from this bonus, however I am now onto another topic entirely .
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Now Mary
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Posted - 2006.08.21 02:09:00 -
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Yarrr
Does nobody have any input on this? If you are reading a post by this character, it's probably because I'm too lazy to select my main. Try not to lose any sleep over it, mkay? |

Edhel
The Collective Against ALL Authorities
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Posted - 2006.08.21 03:11:00 -
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shouldn't this be in like the roleplaying section?
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Rigsta
Gallente Aliastra
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Posted - 2006.08.21 03:14:00 -
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I rather like the Enyo... and never say no to a tracking bonus!! EVER
All the non-caldari bombers should get their third missile point :( However, someone has posted a good setup involving T2 125mm railguns... ----------------------------------------------- CRY HAVOC! And let slip the combat drones! To meander aimlessly towards your target... Perhaps stopping for a picnic along the way... And then turn |

Maya Rkell
Sebiestor tribe
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Posted - 2006.08.21 03:25:00 -
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I think more people would care if Stealth Bombers were more, well, useful.
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Kai Jyokoroi
133rd Ghost Wing R i s e
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Posted - 2006.08.21 03:39:00 -
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Originally by: Maya Rkell I think more people would care if Stealth Bombers were more, well, useful.
Stealth bombers ARE useful. Well trained SB pilot can insta pop nearly any frigate, and definetely 2 volley any frigate (if it has like an 800mm plate on or something ) _____________ The day I receive my first moderator forum-sig hijack is the day I realise I have won Eve.
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X99 Z990
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Posted - 2006.08.21 04:35:00 -
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Originally by: Kai Jyokoroi
Originally by: Maya Rkell I think more people would care if Stealth Bombers were more, well, useful.
Stealth bombers ARE useful. Well trained SB pilot can insta pop nearly any frigate, and definetely 2 volley any frigate (if it has like an 800mm plate on or something )
Lol, how is that useful?
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Kaylana Syi
Minmatar The Nest
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Posted - 2006.08.21 06:02:00 -
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Originally by: X99 Z990
Originally by: Kai Jyokoroi
Originally by: Maya Rkell I think more people would care if Stealth Bombers were more, well, useful.
Stealth bombers ARE useful. Well trained SB pilot can insta pop nearly any frigate, and definetely 2 volley any frigate (if it has like an 800mm plate on or something )
Lol, how is that useful?
I've heard rumors that the manticore is a great AF killer which is useful for killing all those 0.0 NPCers that do tend to fly AFs NPCing BSs.
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Kunming
Amarr adeptus gattacus Lotka Volterra
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Posted - 2006.08.21 07:29:00 -
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Stealth Bombers are useless cause they cost around 30-40mils and they are nothing more but great frig killers.. just like destroyers, just like AFs, just like cruisers, just like BCs....
Bombers should be deadly against BCs and BSs, atm they are yet another ship class upto collecting dust.
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Ithildin
Gallente The Corporation
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Posted - 2006.08.21 07:41:00 -
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Give them a break, it's two cases where they did it right.
Duvolle are Gallente's high-tech research corporation, and cloaks are about as high-tech as you can get in EVE.
Roden really needs to be the blaster-dedicated corporation. Missile dedication and Gallente is disgustingly against backstory (advanced missile systems were developed by the Caldari AFTER they fell out with the Federation), not to mention seriously underpowered.
In essence, there's three T2 specialization slots open - High-tech, drones and blasters - for Gallente and Duvolle got two of them while Roden got the non-specialization slot. While T2 is supposed to be specialization, Roden's T2 design philosophy is to make non-specialized ships. Dark skies torn apart Heavens open before me I, the light of death |

Jenstruant Fogg
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Posted - 2006.08.21 09:05:00 -
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Also, a red Incursusu looks pretty cool - thus the reason it should stay Roden
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Deviana Sevidon
Gallente easyCredits
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Posted - 2006.08.21 10:12:00 -
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Quote: I've heard rumors that the manticore is a great AF killer which is useful for killing all those 0.0 NPCers that do tend to fly AFs NPCing BSs.
You heard wrong. An AF is able to tank more than one volley of missiles, and likely to get away if you don't hava a tackler, IF the AF is getting into range, the Bomber will have to flee or be destroyed.
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Now Mary
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Posted - 2006.08.21 10:53:00 -
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Edited by: Now Mary on 21/08/2006 10:53:04
Originally by: Ithildin Give them a break, it's two cases where they did it right.
Duvolle are Gallente's high-tech research corporation, and cloaks are about as high-tech as you can get in EVE.
Roden really needs to be the blaster-dedicated corporation. Missile dedication and Gallente is disgustingly against backstory (advanced missile systems were developed by the Caldari AFTER they fell out with the Federation), not to mention seriously underpowered.
In essence, there's three T2 specialization slots open - High-tech, drones and blasters - for Gallente and Duvolle got two of them while Roden got the non-specialization slot. While T2 is supposed to be specialization, Roden's T2 design philosophy is to make non-specialized ships.
Okay, thats a pretty good point. However, either way these ships are still a little backwards. I like it your way better though, then we get the red thorax hull for the Deimos (and get to keep the little red devil Incursus)
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ArchenTheGreat
Caldari Yesodic Nomads Corp Triumvirate.
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Posted - 2006.08.21 11:18:00 -
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Originally by: Deviana Sevidon
Quote: I've heard rumors that the manticore is a great AF killer which is useful for killing all those 0.0 NPCers that do tend to fly AFs NPCing BSs.
You heard wrong. An AF is able to tank more than one volley of missiles, and likely to get away if you don't hava a tackler, IF the AF is getting into range, the Bomber will have to flee or be destroyed.
I tanked Maticore EM missiles in Harpy with 0% EM resist long enough to approach him from 100km to 50km and start to hit with long range ammo. Than he warped away.
Of course you can kill AFs in SB but only in special circumstances. I killed sniping Harpy in Nemesis by approaching it and using EM misisles, blasters and one multispec. And I was lucky to get first cycle to jam him.
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