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Snikkt
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Posted - 2006.08.20 11:27:00 -
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I currently have a Vexor which I use for mining. I also like to rat hunt occassionally, and when I do, I usually rely on my shields, drones, and raiguns.
Now, I love to shield tank. Don't ask me why, but I do. Right now, I'm using a
Med Shield extender
m51 iterative shield regenerator
basic kinetic deflection amplifier
Is this an optimal setup for shielding?
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Benglada
Sebiestor tribe
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Posted - 2006.08.20 11:30:00 -
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the optimal shield tank for a vexor is an armor tank. Shield tanking gal ships makes baby jesus cry. (and me)
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 Originally by: Wrangler
Unfrtinately you dnot get to vote.. 
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Snikkt
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Posted - 2006.08.20 11:33:00 -
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Well, then I guess you, and baby Jesus are crying. I hate armor tanking, and I never will do it.
Besides, ~30% of my skill points are in Shield related skills.
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Samirol
Ore Mongers
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Posted - 2006.08.20 11:35:00 -
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Edited by: Samirol on 20/08/2006 11:35:20
get rid of the basic hardener for starters and replace with a regular one
i would suggest jumping ships to caldari
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Snikkt
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Posted - 2006.08.20 11:37:00 -
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Should I replace it with the kinetic hardener, or go for one of the EM, or broad spectrum hardeners?
The rats I fight mostly use missiles.
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Soros
0utbreak
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Posted - 2006.08.20 12:05:00 -
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u can shield tank a dom v. nicely .. it also has a very nice passive re-charge possability...
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Skva
Caldari
Infinitus Odium
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Posted - 2006.08.20 12:13:00 -
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Edited by: Skva on 20/08/2006 12:14:20
If you don't like armor tanking, your not going to have much success with Gallente ships. Period. There are a literally a few Gallente ships that have a decent shield tank (Dominix, Ishtar in some circumstances, oh, and both recon ships, but anyone who uses those mid slots for tanking is well, missing the point of recon ships). With the exception of recon ships, all the Gallente ships that can actually fit a half decent shield tank could fit a much better armor tank.
My advice would either be to retrain for armor tanking, or switch to Caldari.
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inSpirAcy
Caldari
The Solopwnmobiles
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Posted - 2006.08.20 12:18:00 -
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I wouldn't do this, but if I really had to shield tank a Vexor it'd be something like... (downgrade T2 to named T1 according to skills and ISK)
1x Medium Shield Booster II
1x Photon Scattering Field II
1x V-M15 Braced Multispectral Shield Matrix
1x Emergency Damage Control I
If you know which rats you're going up against, swap out the hardeners appropriately. This'll probably work for easy belt rats, but a shield tank doesn't scale terribly well across Gallentean ships as already pointed out. A jump to the Dominix could save you, though.
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Cletus Graeme
Caldari
Mordu's Elite
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Posted - 2006.08.20 12:25:00 -
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Edited by: Cletus Graeme on 20/08/2006 12:25:28
Because rats are stupid you can get away with fitting your ship however you want to for PvE.
However, for PvP you are seriously gimping yourself if you don't fit to take advantage of your ship's strengths and bonuses, since they were deliberately designed to make the ship balanced with the others in it's class. Hence, disregarding them will result in your ship performing worse.
Shield tanking an armor tanker is unexpected, so it does give you the element of surprise against an unsuspecting opponent. But, do it too often and people will work out what you are up to and punish you for it.
It's a bit like bluffing in poker. Do it too much and people will know you have crap 
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LUKEC
Destructive Influence
Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2006.08.20 12:42:00 -
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Originally by: Benglada
the optimal shield tank for a vexor is an armor tank. Shield tanking gal ships makes baby jesus cry. (and me)
It is cost effective. Look at this carebear example:
eos + gist shield (L booster + dg amp) costs like 250-300mil(with pduIIs etc) and repairs like 100hp/s, and is pretty much sustainable with 4 pdus II and maxed cap skills.
Eos + armor tank that does repair 100hp/s requires 2x TS mar (100 mil ) + for sustainability you need 5x t2 rechargers that cost further 130mil so you end up with pretty similar prices. Oh and no place to fit dmg mods.
And that's example of galletne ship that has huh... armor repair bonus.
shield tanked domi is bane for ravens, they cannot break XL booster very fast and they always start spamming bane torps. Also jamesw's nano isthar is nice concept but i don't really like it.
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Pottsey
Gallente
Dissonance Corp
Interstellar Starbase Syndicate
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Posted - 2006.08.20 14:14:00 -
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Gallante ships have some of the best passive shield tanks out there due to the low slots. You can make some strong tanks that often out tank amour tank setups.
Get rid of your mid shield extender and fit a T2 large extender and scarp the shield regenerator for another extender. Scarp the deflection amplifier and fit a Invul field.
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Voi Lutois
Digital Fury Corporation
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Posted - 2006.08.20 14:41:00 -
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train for caldari if you like shield tanking!! gallente armor tank
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LUKEC
Destructive Influence
Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2006.08.20 14:53:00 -
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Originally by: Voi Lutois
train for caldari if you like shield tanking!! gallente armor tank
True story behind this:
Train caldari to shield tank and end up jamming and wcsing.
Train gallente to armor tank to end nanofibring and jamming.
Just lol. Fit whatever suits you most.
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Snikkt
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Posted - 2006.08.20 15:09:00 -
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Thank you, Pottsey, and inSpirAcy. I was expecting all the replys to be "Go calderi, and you idiot"
You two were very helpful.
BEfore I hadn't of even considered the Dom, but I'll look into it now.
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Pottsey
Gallente
Dissonance Corp
Interstellar Starbase Syndicate
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Posted - 2006.08.20 17:01:00 -
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ôtrain for caldari if you like shield tanking!! gallente armor tankö
Gallente invited passive shield tanking and are the best at it. So there is nothing wrong with shield or amour tanking Gallente. Do what ever you find most fun. If your fitting does the job then it doesnÆt matter if itÆs not the best.
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Marcus Lagrange
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Posted - 2006.08.20 18:25:00 -
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I find an incredibly fun fitting for the Tristan is to passive shield tank it.
I use something like this:
Hi:
2 x Malkuth Rocket Launchers
2 x 75mm Rail II's
Mid:
1 x AB
1 x Medium Azeotropic Sheild Extender
1 x Invulnerability Field
Low:
2 x Power Diagnostic System
1 x Shield Power Relay
1 x Drone
It makes for quite an unexpected encounter when someone decides to jump you 
Its also durable enough with good skills to use in a small group all flying the same basic fitting and swapping out the invulnerability field for whatever tickles your fancy at the time or would complement the gang.
Makes a great runabout that can take a few hits on the chin.
Try it for fun - you might like it 
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Arshes Nei
Dark-Rising
Xelas Alliance
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Posted - 2006.08.20 20:07:00 -
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Edited by: Arshes Nei on 20/08/2006 20:07:33
Originally by: Voi Lutois
train for caldari if you like shield tanking!! amarr armor tank
Fixed it for you.
I can only advise you to play around with passive tanking snikkt, on most gallente ships you either get away with fitting no dmgmods or only 1, so you can do some awesome passive shieldtanks.
I still have fond memories of my vexor with over 5k shields .
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Ithildin
Gallente
The Corporation
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Posted - 2006.08.20 20:25:00 -
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Gallente do armour tanks. That some ships do well with passive shield tanks is a nice oddity, but it's application in PvP is rather limited. In many cases an active tank will still beat a passive armour tank. In fact, I have yet to see a passive tank that can beat an active tank - with same level equipment.
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LUKEC
Destructive Influence
Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2006.08.20 20:52:00 -
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Originally by: Ithildin
Gallente do armour tanks. That some ships do well with passive shield tanks is a nice oddity, but it's application in PvP is rather limited. In many cases an active tank will still beat a passive armour tank. In fact, I have yet to see a passive tank that can beat an active tank - with same level equipment.
In pvp... you cannot shoot back when dead. So hp buffer helps.
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Arshes Nei
Dark-Rising
Xelas Alliance
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Posted - 2006.08.20 20:55:00 -
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Originally by: Ithildin
Gallente do armour tanks. That some ships do well with passive shield tanks is a nice oddity, but it's application in PvP is rather limited. In many cases an active tank will still beat a passive armour tank. In fact, I have yet to see a passive tank that can beat an active tank - with same level equipment.
Hmm without being rude i simply dont get why people wont understand this. No personal offense meant, but you can do lvl 3 missions in a vexor with a passive tank easily, i did that as a n00b. Its very relaxing and fun. It also gives you lots of reaction time that you need as new player taking his first steps into lvl 3 missions.
Now i dont actually care about how much more effective a armor tank is, it wont let you run lvl 4 missions in a vexor, and it wont let your run 3.5 missions either cause they dont exist.
For lvl 4 missions you then take a passive tanked domi, its not like the megathron is very friendly to people with low SP anyway.
The good thing about passive shieldtanking is that you get a very sound understanding of how much damage a certain mission deals out. Its very easy to see wether your shield sustains 44% or 34%, so it helps understanding missions alot. The huge hp also gives you the time you need to take out those 30k ceptors, which can take sometimes a little to long for a new player. Also if you run missions in lowsec a passive tank raises your chances surviving a gatecamp extremely, i still remember pirates asking me wtf i was fitting to tank them long enough to crawl into the security of a station .
To sum it up, passive shieldtanks raise your survivabilty alot in both missions and lowsec. They are also very nice to do SP wise, you dont need cap + tanking skills for it, just a few easy to get skills. I still remember how hard it was to fit a proper active tank as a new player, maybe some of you have forgotten that.
P.S. Gallente have some of the best passive shieldtanking ships in the game, you need lots of lowslots for a proper passive tank so dont tell people to go caldari cause few caldari ships can fit a good passive tank and still do enough damage with low skills.
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