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Sieesa Amarr Liberated	Posted - 2006.08.20 16:19:00 - [1] Liberated hereby does state it's removal and disassociation from the Verisum Family. In light of recent events and activities, the aims and goals of Liberated no longer coincide with those of the Family as a whole. In light of recent agreements made, Liberated expects those Agreements to be upheld and honored. Sieesa Morgan. My Pain Is Legion
Darth Revanant Amarr 1st Praetorian Guard Vigilia Valeria	Posted - 2006.08.20 17:15:00 - [2] Good to hear. Now let's see if you can effect your redemption. _______________
Revan Neferis Amarr Dark Seraph Verisum Family	Posted - 2006.08.20 17:30:00 - [3] Originally by: Darth Revanant Good to hear. Now let's see if you can effect your redemption. Do not speak of what you have no knowledge. Liberated and its goals using the cruor remains. That is the conflict. Liberated does not accept the fact that I have received... specific Orders from Higher sources. Revan Neferis Verisum Shiras V.F Noctus.
Soratah Amarr Ubiqua Seraph Aegis Militia	Posted - 2006.08.20 17:41:00 - [4] Originally by: Revan Neferis Originally by: Darth Revanant Good to hear. Now let's see if you can effect your redemption. Do not speak of what you have no knowledge. Liberated and its goals using the cruor remains. That is the conflict. Liberated does not accept the fact that I have received... specific Orders from Higher sources. The voices you hear in your head madam, probably brought about by excessive drinking, do not consitute a "higher source." Thank you for your time
Revan Neferis Amarr Dark Seraph Verisum Family	Posted - 2006.08.20 18:47:00 - [5] Originally by: Soratah The voices you hear in your head madam, probably brought about by excessive drinking, do not consitute a "higher source." Thank you for your time You are most welcome for my time. As a matter of fact I believe my "Higher Source" will love to see how you refer to him. Another fantastic PR from Aegis Militia. Please Use and abuse of my time if more posts like this will come. Revan Neferis Verisum Shiras V.F Noctus.
Takitoo Ebon Phoenix	Posted - 2006.08.20 19:30:00 - [6] Yes ! More Revan ! Post people, post ! For I am amused. ___________________________ http://www.shaveeverywhere.com
Tyr Vaantau Amarr Viziam	Posted - 2006.08.20 22:00:00 - [7] Edited by: Tyr Vaantau on 20/08/2006 22:05:45 For some reason, I have good standings with that woman [Revan]. I imagine that it was from a time when both she and I were in AM, perhaps newbies in it together. Odd to think of it like that. Anyway, it's good to hear that "liberated" is now seemingly independant of anything else. I feel much safer that way. thinks back to a time when Sieesa was good
Darth Revanant Amarr 1st Praetorian Guard Vigilia Valeria	Posted - 2006.08.21 03:10:00 - [8] Originally by: Revan Neferis Originally by: Darth Revanant Good to hear. Now let's see if you can effect your redemption. Do not speak of what you have no knowledge. Liberated and its goals using the cruor remains. That is the conflict. Liberated does not accept the fact that I have received... specific Orders from Higher sources. Woman, I have no clue what the hell you are talking about, and I know you have no idea what I'm talking about. I have never and will never participate in your little circus of ranting or your psychotic delusions. I've never had anything to do with you by my choice so don't pretend you know anything about me. Scurry back to your sleeper cells and drug-laced daquris or whatever your special little signature drink is and stay away from grown-up things. _______________
Chancellor Valerius Amarr Servants of St. Tetrimon	Posted - 2006.08.21 04:51:00 - [9] Higher sources? If its not the great Grand Master Horm and its not confirmed by him here now I dont care you herectic traitor to Tetrimon. May God toss you into a pit of flames. Your claims are more lies by a woman who lies for a living. Your Verisum pirate alliance friends have marked your tombstone as one of a herectic. Now your friends leave you rotting in some station with your martini fed dellusions of grandeur and importance. Stop listening to the voices in your head and send yourself to Doomheim you herectic blood witch. Chancellor Valerius Servants of St. Tetrimon Only the pure of faith will find God
Revan Neferis Amarr Dark Seraph Verisum Family	Posted - 2006.08.21 05:57:00 - [10] Originally by: Darth Revanant Woman, I have no clue what the hell you are talking about, and I know you have no idea what I'm talking about. I have never and will never participate in your little circus of ranting or your psychotic delusions. I've never had anything to do with you by my choice so don't pretend you know anything about me. Scurry back to your sleeper cells and drug-laced daquris or whatever your special little signature drink is and stay away from grown-up things. You have no clue: completely right, this is nothing to do with your pathetic life and Organization. You Will never "participate"?!, good; than get the hell out of posts that doesn't concern you. You and yours are so numb that didn't even worth a war dec from us. (Only exception is Lord Morai, this is not addressed to him) To the rest, go and die somewhere near an asteriod belt. I couldn't care less. Revan Neferis Verisum Shiras V.F Noctus.
Tharrn Amarr 1st Praetorian Guard Vigilia Valeria	Posted - 2006.08.21 09:02:00 - [11] From your mouth that sounds like a compliment. We certainly need the sockpuppets here though. Now recruiting!
Revan Neferis Amarr Dark Seraph Verisum Family	Posted - 2006.08.21 09:37:00 - [12] Originally by: Tharrn We certainly need the sockpuppets here though. Thats why you keep coming. Revan Neferis Verisum Shiras V.F Noctus.
Ethidium Bromide ZEALOT WARRIORS AGAINST TERRORISTS Curatores Veritatis Alliance	Posted - 2006.08.21 10:01:00 - [13] Originally by: Revan Neferis Originally by: Darth Revanant Good to hear. Now let's see if you can effect your redemption. Do not speak of what you have no knowledge. Liberated and its goals using the cruor remains. That is the conflict. Liberated does not accept the fact that I have received... specific Orders from Higher sources. higher sources? have you put your martini bottle on a shelf above your head now? Ms. Neferis i can not claim i ever understood your motives. Fact remains that Dark Seraph once were allies and have become enemies for reasons i do neither know nor care for. If your next step after retracting the war is to hold out your hand and try to be friends again i wouldn't even be surprised to be honest. _________________________________ just because you are not paranoid doesn't mean i'm not following!
Lallara Zhuul Amarr PIE Inc.	Posted - 2006.08.21 10:39:00 - [14] Whatever you do in your lunacy Sieesa does not matter. Revan, only thing we require from you is your death. Do not try to link us to your pathetic little schemes. 'Death is the only Release from duty..'
Revan Neferis Amarr Dark Seraph Verisum Family	Posted - 2006.08.21 10:50:00 - [15] Edited by: Revan Neferis on 21/08/2006 10:55:49 Originally by: Lallara Zhuul Whatever you do in your lunacy Sieesa does not matter. Revan, only thing we require from you is your death. Do not try to link us to your pathetic little schemes. I will do what has been ordered from me, it is my personal gain not yours. So I couldn't give a damn what you believe or not. By the way, you are welcome to war dec again as you retracted the wars. My death? come and get it. It's not because some of your people are intelligent enough that would make you part of it. Sit in your little throne while your boss attend vacation. Use and abuse of your pseudo post. higher sources? have you put your martini bottle on a shelf above your head now? Ms. Neferis i can not claim i ever understood your motives. Fact remains that Dark Seraph once were allies and have become enemies for reasons i do neither know nor care for. If your next step after retracting the war is to hold out your hand and try to be friends again i wouldn't even be surprised to be honest. Same related to you. Our reasons remains our own and I do not care to give you any explanations. Hold hands and be friends again, I doubt. I will however do what has been requested from me, again, not because of you, but because I have to gain on it. You obviously know nothing, as my contact with CVA is Sidyous and for him, I have already spoken. Shall CVA get back to business, your move. I have done what was requested from me and that is all that matters now. Revan Neferis Verisum Shiras V.F Noctus.
Ethidium Bromide ZEALOT WARRIORS AGAINST TERRORISTS Curatores Veritatis Alliance	Posted - 2006.08.21 11:01:00 - [16] Edited by: Ethidium Bromide on 21/08/2006 11:01:46 Originally by: Revan Neferis Same related to you. Our reasons remains our own and I do not care to give you any explanations. Hold hands and be friends again, I doubt. I will however do what has been requested from me, again, not because of you, but because I have to gain on it. You obviously know nothing, as my contact with CVA is Sidyous and for him, I have already spoken. Shall CVA get back to business, your move. I have done what was requested from me and that is all that matters now. Oh what a caring leader you are. EDIT: unfortunatly one has to look very closely to see where i highlighted (bold) in the quote _________________________________ just because you are not paranoid doesn't mean i'm not following!
Tharrn Amarr 1st Praetorian Guard Vigilia Valeria	Posted - 2006.08.21 11:10:00 - [17] Originally by: Revan Neferis Originally by: Tharrn We certainly need the sockpuppets here though. Thats why you keep coming. Indeed. Your 'sleeper cells', 'goals', and 'higher sources' change so often that noone cares about those anymore. You are a quite proficient fool though and Takitoo's 'Revan' sock puppet is just outright hillariously fitting. Funny that you heralded the end of AM and gloated about how they are 'falling apart' but when you loose corps it's all part of a 'secret plan' by 'higher sources'. You are a squeaking, clueless piglet noone takes serious and you will always remain to be just that. You have achieved absolutely nothing so far - none of your proclaimed goals was ever reached. All you do is burn ISK for blunder after blunder. Oh, sorry, I forgot the 'secret goals' you make up on a whim. Now recruiting!
Revan Neferis Amarr Dark Seraph Verisum Family	Posted - 2006.08.21 11:25:00 - [18] Originally by: Tharrn Originally by: Revan Neferis Originally by: Tharrn We certainly need the sockpuppets here though. Thats why you keep coming. Indeed. Your 'sleeper cells', 'goals', and 'higher sources' change so often that noone cares about those anymore. You are a quite proficient fool though and Takitoo's 'Revan' sock puppet is just outright hillariously fitting. Funny that you heralded the end of AM and gloated about how they are 'falling apart' but when you loose corps it's all part of a 'secret plan' by 'higher sources'. You are a squeaking, clueless piglet noone takes serious and you will always remain to be just that. You have achieved absolutely nothing so far - none of your proclaimed goals was ever reached. All you do is burn ISK for blunder after blunder. Oh, sorry, I forgot the 'secret goals' you make up on a whim. Tharrn Your obcession towards me is well known. Another one to the stalkers list. You love to get my attention, even if it is a few lines that I grant you. I love to reply posts. But I hate to see you crawling, begging for attention. Get yourself a war, a plot, a life, a thread of your own focus. stop living on the grains of VFs table. Revan Neferis Verisum Shiras V.F Noctus.
Tharrn Amarr 1st Praetorian Guard Vigilia Valeria	Posted - 2006.08.21 11:44:00 - [19] Squeak, piglet, squeak. Now recruiting!
Elsebeth Rhiannon Minmatar Gradient Namtz'aar k'in	Posted - 2006.08.21 12:06:00 - [20] And these are the people who laugh at Matari, when we disagree on internal politics? IGS guaranteed quality of entertainment. Peace in a pod - Liberty Network Gradient is not hiring
Ethidium Bromide ZEALOT WARRIORS AGAINST TERRORISTS Curatores Veritatis Alliance	Posted - 2006.08.21 12:13:00 - [21] Originally by: Elsebeth Rhiannon And these are the people who laugh at Matari, when we disagree on internal politics? IGS guaranteed quality of entertainment. this is not internal politics. this is a cry for help brought to you by a martini loving woman who dreams of electronis sheep. _________________________________ just because you are not paranoid doesn't mean i'm not following!
Revan Neferis Amarr Dark Seraph Verisum Family	Posted - 2006.08.21 12:22:00 - [22] Originally by: Ethidium Bromide Originally by: Elsebeth Rhiannon And these are the people who laugh at Matari, when we disagree on internal politics? IGS guaranteed quality of entertainment. this is not internal politics. this is a cry for help brought to you by a martini loving woman who dreams of electronis sheep. Sponsored by the most delusional CVA representant who obviously wants acess to VF lounge for a sample of this martini he so much speak, and who knows me enough to even try to enter my dreams... so many wish. Revan Neferis Verisum Shiras V.F Noctus.
Ethidium Bromide ZEALOT WARRIORS AGAINST TERRORISTS Curatores Veritatis Alliance	Posted - 2006.08.21 12:32:00 - [23] Originally by: Revan Neferis Originally by: Ethidium Bromide Originally by: Elsebeth Rhiannon And these are the people who laugh at Matari, when we disagree on internal politics? IGS guaranteed quality of entertainment. this is not internal politics. this is a cry for help brought to you by a martini loving woman who dreams of electronis sheep. Sponsored by the most delusional CVA representant who obviously wants acess to VF lounge for a sample of this martini he so much speak, and who knows me enough to even try to enter my dreams... so many wish. into your dreams? oh thank you but i'm quite busy enough to drown away the memories of my dreams. maybe my delusions make me see yours more clearly _________________________________ just because you are not paranoid doesn't mean i'm not following!
Revan Neferis Amarr Dark Seraph Verisum Family	Posted - 2006.08.21 12:36:00 - [24] Originally by: Ethidium Bromide into your dreams? oh thank you but i'm quite busy enough to drown away the memories of my dreams. maybe my delusions make me see yours more clearly Next comes a proposal of marriage... Revan Neferis Verisum Shiras V.F Noctus.
Rodj Blake Amarr PIE Inc.	Posted - 2006.08.21 12:41:00 - [25] Originally by: Elsebeth Rhiannon And these are the people who laugh at Matari, when we disagree on internal politics? IGS guaranteed quality of entertainment. This ceased to be a matter of internal politcs the moment VF declared war on a loyalist organisation and so placed themselves outside the Empire. Dulce et decorum est, pro imperator mori
Revan Neferis Amarr Dark Seraph Verisum Family	Posted - 2006.08.21 13:13:00 - [26] Originally by: Rodj Blake Originally by: Elsebeth Rhiannon And these are the people who laugh at Matari, when we disagree on internal politics? IGS guaranteed quality of entertainment. This ceased to be a matter of internal politcs the moment VF declared war on a loyalist organisation and so placed themselves outside the Empire. Ahh VF is placed outside the Empire.. interesting indeed because even I was not communicated about that. So here it comes? "Says WHO?" VF engaged Concord sanctionated wars. So, is there an Empire law now issued by "WHO" that tells that NO ONE may declare war against Amarr corporations? Don't make yourself ridiculous. Petition Concord. Petition who you think you can to take VF out of Empire business. Let me see how far you get. Child. Revan Neferis Verisum Shiras V.F Noctus.
Ethidium Bromide ZEALOT WARRIORS AGAINST TERRORISTS Curatores Veritatis Alliance	Posted - 2006.08.21 13:17:00 - [27] Originally by: Revan Neferis Originally by: Ethidium Bromide into your dreams? oh thank you but i'm quite busy enough to drown away the memories of my dreams. maybe my delusions make me see yours more clearly Next comes a proposal of marriage... do not ...thinking... threaten me! _________________________________ just because you are not paranoid doesn't mean i'm not following!
Rodj Blake Amarr PIE Inc.	Posted - 2006.08.21 13:23:00 - [28] Edited by: Rodj Blake on 21/08/2006 13:26:21 Originally by: Revan Neferis Ahh VF is placed outside the Empire.. interesting indeed because even I was not communicated about that. I would have thought that when you said that you seek to make the Empire burn you would have realised that you were placing yourself outside God's nation. I would have thought that when you disobeyed orders from those you professed to follow you would have realised that you were leaving your loyalty to them behind. I would have thought that when you allied yourselves with the Empire's enemies you would have understood that that made you a traitor to your race. Anyway, that reminds me... How far did you get with your appeal at the Theology Council? Dulce et decorum est, pro imperator mori
Revan Neferis Amarr Dark Seraph Verisum Family	Posted - 2006.08.21 13:38:00 - [29] Originally by: Rodj Blake Edited by: Rodj Blake on 21/08/2006 13:27:07 Edited by: Rodj Blake on 21/08/2006 13:26:21 Originally by: Revan Neferis Ahh VF is placed outside the Empire.. interesting indeed because even I was not communicated about that. I would have thought that when you said that you seek to make the Empire burn you would have realised that you were placing yourself outside God's nation. I would have thought that when you disobeyed orders from those you professed to follow you would have realised that you were leaving your loyalty to them behind. I would have thought that when you allied yourselves with the Empire's enemies you would have understood that it made you a traitor to your race. Anyway, that reminds me... How far did you get with your appeal at the Theology Council? The same distance as you got with all your "I would have thought theories" Any back up from Authorities yet? You will have such surprise. Revan Neferis Verisum Shiras V.F Noctus.
Tharrn Amarr 1st Praetorian Guard Vigilia Valeria	Posted - 2006.08.21 13:44:00 - [30] No, noone will be surprised when you fail yet again. It's getting old. Now recruiting!
Archbishop Amarr PIE Inc.	Posted - 2006.08.21 13:47:00 - [31] As currently stands the actions of Verisum Family have indicated an unwillingness to live within the laws of our holy Empire. The wars started and the attacks propogated on the faithful and innocents along with alliances with Blood Inquisition and Stormrider pilots have shown a complete disregard for all that is sacred to us. As nothing has changed in the public eye PIE corporation will continue to hold the Verisum Family as "pirates" and "heretics" in our standings. PIE has received no indication from the Theology Council or other sanctioning body that anything has changed regarding the status of the Verisum Family. Until such time as we are ordered to by legal representatives of the Empire we shall continue in our present course of action and continue to defend the Empire with every thread of our souls. We live only to serve and will not be drawn into that which is which is subject to interpretation. Only the true commands of the Empire and the true words of God matter to us. Vice-Admiral Archbishop PIE Inc. Director PIE WEBSITE & FORUMS PIE INFORMATION CENTER
Rodj Blake Amarr PIE Inc.	Posted - 2006.08.21 13:49:00 - [32] Edited by: Rodj Blake on 21/08/2006 13:51:02 Originally by: Revan Neferis Originally by: Rodj Blake Edited by: Rodj Blake on 21/08/2006 13:27:07 Edited by: Rodj Blake on 21/08/2006 13:26:21 Originally by: Revan Neferis Ahh VF is placed outside the Empire.. interesting indeed because even I was not communicated about that. I would have thought that when you said that you seek to make the Empire burn you would have realised that you were placing yourself outside God's nation. I would have thought that when you disobeyed orders from those you professed to follow you would have realised that you were leaving your loyalty to them behind. I would have thought that when you allied yourselves with the Empire's enemies you would have understood that it made you a traitor to your race. Anyway, that reminds me... How far did you get with your appeal at the Theology Council? The same distance as you got with all your "I would have thought theories" Any back up from Authorities yet? You will have such surprise. Are you denying that, for example, you disobeyed orders from those who you professed to follow, and then fly alongside enemies of the Empire? I ask, because Grand Master Horm certainly seems to think that you did. Dulce et decorum est, pro imperator mori
Revan Neferis Amarr Dark Seraph Verisum Family	Posted - 2006.08.21 14:06:00 - [33] Originally by: Tharrn No, noone will be surprised when you fail yet again. It's getting old. As it is getting old your obcession. here you have my authograph. now move on, you are stoping the line to move. Revan Neferis Verisum Shiras V.F Noctus.
Tharrn Amarr 1st Praetorian Guard Vigilia Valeria	Posted - 2006.08.21 14:22:00 - [34] You are dellusional as ever - and you overestimate your position in the political game, piglet. And THAT is the real funny part: you making a fool of yourself over and over again. Now recruiting!
Revan Neferis Amarr Dark Seraph Verisum Family	Posted - 2006.08.21 14:53:00 - [35] Originally by: Tharrn You are dellusional as ever - and you overestimate your position in the political game, piglet. And THAT is the real funny part: you making a fool of yourself over and over again. Your authograph is signed. You win.. Revan Neferis Verisum Shiras V.F Noctus.
Tharrn Amarr 1st Praetorian Guard Vigilia Valeria	Posted - 2006.08.21 14:56:00 - [36] Give it to someone in your club who might care. Now recruiting!
Tyrrax Thorrk Amarr Umbra Congregatio Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate	Posted - 2006.08.21 15:02:00 - [37] Edited by: Tyrrax Thorrk on 21/08/2006 15:07:19 Originally by: Rodj Blake This ceased to be a matter of internal politcs the moment VF declared war on a loyalist organisation and so placed themselves outside the Empire. Are you just joking or are you actually deluded enough to believe this crap ? Just to clarify things for you, you are not the Emperor and neither you nor your corporation have any say at all in imperial policy, it is not your place to speak on behalf of the Empire. I sincerely doubt the Empire's governing body cares in the least about your petty corporate squabbles. http://eve.klaki.net/
Rodj Blake Amarr PIE Inc.	Posted - 2006.08.21 15:09:00 - [38] Edited by: Rodj Blake on 21/08/2006 15:10:06 Originally by: Tyrrax Thorrk Edited by: Tyrrax Thorrk on 21/08/2006 15:07:19 Originally by: Rodj Blake This ceased to be a matter of internal politcs the moment VF declared war on a loyalist organisation and so placed themselves outside the Empire. Are you just joking or are you actually deluded enough to believe this crap ? Just to clarify things for you, you are not the Emperor and neither you nor your corporation have any say at all in imperial policy, it is not your place to speak on behalf of the Empire. I sincerely doubt the Empire's governing body cares in the least about your petty corporate squabbles. I was already aware that I was not the Emperor, thank you very much, and I wasn't claiming to speak on behalf of the Empire. Other people have already done so very eloquently. If the Empire does not care as you say, then it would still fall under the definiton of not being internal politics. But let's not argue about semantics Dulce et decorum est, pro imperator mori
Takitoo Ebon Phoenix	Posted - 2006.08.21 16:53:00 - [39] More Revan ! Mooooore ! ___________________________ http://www.shaveeverywhere.com
Unuthiel Amarr Imperial Academy	Posted - 2006.08.21 17:33:00 - [40] Quote: Liberated and its goals using the cruor remains. They plan to accomplish something using a Blood Raider frigate?
Darth Revanant Amarr 1st Praetorian Guard Vigilia Valeria	Posted - 2006.08.21 18:01:00 - [41] This is not internal politics, this is everyone standing around an laughing at the crazy. Unfortunately, it sopped being funny about three months ago. I was here to wish my best to an old friend who lost her way, but the lunatic likes to think every statement made here has to do with her and cannot accept the fact that she's irrelevant, so she runs around squawking and flailing her arms trying to get everyone's attention focused on her. _______________
Tomahawk Bliss	Posted - 2006.08.21 18:12:00 - [42] Originally by: Tharrn You are a squeaking, clueless piglet noone takes serious and you will always remain to be just that. You have achieved absolutely nothing so far - none of your proclaimed goals was ever reached. All you do is burn ISK for blunder after blunder. Oh, sorry, I forgot the 'secret goals' you make up on a whim. Tharrn that perfect summary brought a tear to my eye. nothing more needs said. Gogo Yubari> You can't destroy your enemy with the power of thought alone like many forum-warriors seem to think.
Takitoo Ebon Phoenix	Posted - 2006.08.21 18:15:00 - [43] flails her arms DANGER ! DANGER ! ___________________________ http://www.shaveeverywhere.com
Tomahawk Bliss	Posted - 2006.08.21 18:22:00 - [44] Takitoo, did i mention i love you? bring out the puppets!!! Gogo Yubari> You can't destroy your enemy with the power of thought alone like many forum-warriors seem to think.
Pezzle Amarr SouthStar Business Solutions Inc.	Posted - 2006.08.21 20:04:00 - [45] Originally by: Takitoo flails her arms DANGER ! DANGER ! Wait a minute, that was being done last week in the Summit, by ME!
Tomahawk Bliss	Posted - 2006.08.21 23:54:00 - [46] Originally by: Pezzle Originally by: Takitoo flails her arms DANGER ! DANGER ! Wait a minute, that was being done last week in the Summit, by ME! yes but Tatikoo has a certain style, makes him funneh. Gogo Yubari> You can't destroy your enemy with the power of thought alone like many forum-warriors seem to think.
Tyr Vaantau Amarr Viziam	Posted - 2006.08.22 19:43:00 - [47] Originally by: Darth Revanant This is not internal politics, this is everyone standing around an laughing at the crazy. Unfortunately, it sopped being funny about three months ago. I was here to wish my best to an old friend who lost her way, but the lunatic likes to think every statement made here has to do with her and cannot accept the fact that she's irrelevant, so she runs around squawking and flailing her arms trying to get everyone's attention focused on her. Those words made me laugh so hard that something inside me broke. Revan is one of those jesters that people have at court, making a fool of themselves to entertain people. Only, you're not TRYING to entertain, are you, Revan? Pity, because you do it so well. If one had sense, they would squawk about secret plans or "OMG I AM TEH DOMINATORZ OF T3H UNIVERSE!!!11111YOU ARE TEH RUBISH". They would let killboards and real actions do the talking for them, and then humbly point those out to prove that they won. That, my friends, is what a proper enemy is, and NOT Revan.

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