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Persifonne
The Scope
Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2014.10.26 04:18:11 -
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ECM is op. Ec300s are op. 100k permajam griffons are op. Eccm mods dont work. Damps, tracking disturps are no way comparable to the OPness of ECM. Y? |
Hadrian Blackstone
Yamato Holdings
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Posted - 2014.10.26 04:25:06 -
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They can't jam you if you damp them. |
Kev Ftw
The Filthy Few
Break-A-Wish Foundation
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Posted - 2014.10.26 04:27:34 -
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They can't jam you if you assist your drones to a friend and kill it. |
Persifonne
The Scope
Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2014.10.26 04:37:51 -
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They can effectively permajam you always. People can scoop/redeploy jam drones. Lolgriffons are over 100k away permajamming. Damps nooo way compare to the ewarfare of jams. Just delete jams from game. Solved. Balanced. Or make eccm mods actually useful. They can almost always jam you. |
Trey Kutoi
Nyarlthotep Holdings Ltd.
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Posted - 2014.10.26 04:41:54 -
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oh noes. I have to break my optimal fit for faceroll-approach-brawl so that I won't get pwnz0rd by people who don't faceroll-approach-brawl.
Rock meet Paper. |
Persifonne
The Scope
Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2014.10.26 04:47:16 -
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There is no fit that counters ECM. Hense OPness of it. It is an Everest-sized rock and only counter fit is ECM yourself. Not balanced when only counter is itself. It is OP could easily be removed from game and make balancing easier. It is overpowered. Try to explain how it aint yo |
Max Greed
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
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Posted - 2014.10.26 05:13:09 -
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They won't even think about jamming you if you have ISBoxer, 50 skiffs with 250 Hob2's flying around.
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Unsuccessful At Everything
The Troll Bridge
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Posted - 2014.10.26 05:18:40 -
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Overpowered ECM boats pale in comparison to the type of jamming an ISD can dish out for ranting....
Since the cessation of their usefulness is imminent, may I appropriate your belongings?
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Chainsaw Plankton
IDLE GUNS
IDLE EMPIRE
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Posted - 2014.10.26 05:24:21 -
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Trey Kutoi wrote:oh noes. I have to break my optimal fit for faceroll-approach-brawl so that I won't get pwnz0rd by people who don't faceroll-approach-brawl.
Rock meet Paper.
it more or less has the potential to ruin interesting small gang fights. Damps you can play with ranges, TD's you can play with range/transversial, neuts you can ASB or cap inject, scramblers you can dual prop, points you can range control or counter ewar. ECM you sit there for 20s where bleh. Once you get to anywhere above small gang you probably have the capability to alpha an opposing e-war ship off the field. With ECM you pretty much can only pray the next cycle doesn't land.
other forms of ewar certainly have the potential to swing a fight, but at the same time nothing hits like ECM.
I'll join the chorus asking CCP, don't take my fancy names away from me!
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Rowells
Unknown Soldiers
Fidelas Constans
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Posted - 2014.10.26 05:40:50 -
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maybe if you used more peanut butter with it the effect of the jam would be lessened |
Ormand Yvorme
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2014.10.26 08:52:38 -
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I'd hate to see you on a gambling site, because you don't seem to understand chance. |
Tau Cabalander
Retirement Retreat
Working Stiffs
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Posted - 2014.10.26 10:23:25 -
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Persifonne wrote:There is no fit that counters ECM.
* ECM Drones: ECCM, sensor backup arrays, and smartbomb like all other drones.
* ECM Modules: ECCM, sensor backup arrays, sensor damps, and energy neutralizers.
Both ECM drones and ECM ships are quite fragile.
By far damps are the most effective counter to ECM ships (force fragile ships into your range), along with friends (too many targets to lock down them all). |
Persifonne
The Scope
Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2014.10.26 10:50:29 -
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The chance is nigh 100% even with ships sensor strength skill trained up and ECCM mods. Test it out. I saw someone did stats for it too. Eccm mods are worthless. And drones can be deployed/scooped/deployed/scooped/dep/scoo/dep/scoo over and over to ensure jam and prevent killing. My issue is overpowerness. No one can give valid reasons they are not superpowered god mode yet yoo |
Jessica Duranin
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
278
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Posted - 2014.10.26 10:59:24 -
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Counter to ECM drones: Smartbombs. When the drones get pulled they don't jam.
Counter to ECM ships: sentry drones or damps
Obvious counter to both: ECCM modules. Yes, they do work. |
Persifonne
The Scope
Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2014.10.26 11:04:43 -
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Chainsaw Plankton wrote:
it more or less has the potential to ruin interesting small gang fights. Damps you can play with ranges, TD's you can play with range/transversial, neuts you can ASB or cap inject, scramblers you can dual prop, points you can range control or counter ewar. ECM you sit there for 20s where bleh. Once you get to anywhere above small gang you probably have the capability to alpha an opposing e-war ship off the field. With ECM you pretty much can only pray the next cycle doesn't land.
other forms of ewar certainly have the potential to swing a fight, but at the same time nothing hits like ECM.
Plankton is my favorite person so far and he is right |
malcovas Henderson
THoF
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Posted - 2014.10.26 11:05:40 -
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Oh dear! |
Darek Castigatus
Immortalis Inc.
Shadow Cartel
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Posted - 2014.10.26 11:08:40 -
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Persifonne wrote:The chance is nigh 100% even with ships sensor strength skill trained up and ECCM mods. Test it out. I saw someone did stats for it too. Eccm mods are worthless. And drones can be deployed/scooped/deployed/scooped/dep/scoo/dep/scoo over and over to ensure jam and prevent killing. My issue is overpowerness. No one can give valid reasons they are not superpowered god mode yet yoo
On the off chance you aren't just trolling badly I'll give you a serious answer.
If ECM is so overpowered why do most EWAR pilots choose to fly a damp ship instead?
Because ECM doesnt affect one weapon system (Drones) at all and its bonused hulls are confined to shield tanks thus the midslot requiring ECM modules prevent an effective tank from being used. Unless they're jamming from extreme range, which seriously reduces the chances of the ECM actually working, ECM hulls tend to explode if you give them a dirty look let alone actually make a serious effort to kill them. The longer cycle time on the modules also means if you fail to get a jam that's a long time you have to survive in a badly undertanked ship before you get another chance.
The only niche ECM has where its generally a better choice is in solo and small gang engagements where taking a single ship out of the fight has a disproportianately large effect on the outcome.
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Mag's
the united
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Posted - 2014.10.26 11:13:07 -
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Wrong forum and as it's also a rant, reported.
Have a great day. 
**Destination SkillQueue:- **
It's like assuming the lions will ignore you in the savannah, if you're small, fat and look helpless.
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Jessica Duranin
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
278
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Posted - 2014.10.26 11:35:44 -
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Persifonne wrote:Plankton is my favorite person so far and he is right
No he isn't.
He just ignores that there are counters to ECM, just like you do.
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Eternus8lux8lucis
Journies End
288
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Posted - 2014.10.26 12:15:12 -
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Chance of thread Jammage...............100%
Is the thread OP or are the ISD?
Strength isnt measured in numbers but in force of will. For if one motived willful individual stands many will fall around him that are weak.
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