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P'tank
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Posted - 2006.08.20 22:34:00 -
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I've been comparing the value of a lot of ships and gear against the value of the minerals used. I noticed a lot of the tech 1 gear is actually selling below the mineral value of the item.
Is there actually any way to profit producing tech 1 gear?
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Adoro
Reunited
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Posted - 2006.08.20 22:37:00 -
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No --------
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So what happens when they 'cure' the geek gene as well? Poof <scuse the pun> There goes EVE.
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Dei
Crystaline Green
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Posted - 2006.08.20 22:42:00 -
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Basically, you need to know small tricks of the industry trade, like Material research which cuts down on the number of minerals that you use to make the said product. CCP aren't going to let you make profit from manufacturing straight away, otherwise everyone will be doing it!
If you're really interested in manufacturing, try looking for a manufacturing corp. Also, there's a few skills in the industry and science section that you should train up to get more profit out of your manufacturing business.
Linkage
The link isn't that up-to-date but the basics are there...and maybes I just ruined the secret of manufacutring and all the profit is gone for us industry folks....or maybe not, who cares..
But it can be made profitable if you're told how by people who care and know what they're on about. Of course, ou make much more profit with tech II items, but you can make it work at tech I if you heed advice.
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Gibri
Gallente Celestial Apocalypse
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Posted - 2006.08.20 22:42:00 -
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Yes there is, you just have to find the right place and the right product.
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Gort
Rampage Eternal
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Posted - 2006.08.20 22:43:00 -
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Someone may have found a niche to manage a meagre existance from T1 production, but, in general, the answer is no, as indicated above.
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csebal
Rage of Angels Morsus Mihi
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Posted - 2006.08.20 22:44:00 -
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No. My post does not represent the general or official opinion of anyone else besides me. No matter what YOU believe. Rest.In.Peace HUN |

Avon
Caldari Black Nova Corp Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2006.08.20 22:47:00 -
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Don't listen to all the doom and gloom merchants.
There are reasonably well populated areas of Eve with very underseeded markets, and that is where the ISK is.
If you see modules for sale for under the ISK value of the minerals, buy them, refine them, and sell the minerals, or use them to produce something with even a small profit margin. Better than mining.
The Battleships is not and should not be a solo pwnmobile - Oveur
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P'tank
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Posted - 2006.08.20 22:49:00 -
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Originally by: Dei Basically, you need to know small tricks of the industry trade, like Material research which cuts down on the number of minerals that you use to make the said product. CCP aren't going to let you make profit from manufacturing straight away, otherwise everyone will be doing it!
If you're really interested in manufacturing, try looking for a manufacturing corp. Also, there's a few skills in the industry and science section that you should train up to get more profit out of your manufacturing business.
Linkage
The link isn't that up-to-date but the basics are there...and maybes I just ruined the secret of manufacutring and all the profit is gone for us industry folks....or maybe not, who cares..
But it can be made profitable if you're told how by people who care and know what they're on about. Of course, ou make much more profit with tech II items, but you can make it work at tech I if you heed advice.
In my calculations I assumed that all involved skills are maxed and with 0.0 wastage. Still I've found that most of the T1 stuff produced is worth less as the minerals from wich it is made
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Dei
Crystaline Green
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Posted - 2006.08.20 23:01:00 -
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Originally by: P'tank
Originally by: Dei Basically, you need to know small tricks of the industry trade, like Material research which cuts down on the number of minerals that you use to make the said product. CCP aren't going to let you make profit from manufacturing straight away, otherwise everyone will be doing it!
If you're really interested in manufacturing, try looking for a manufacturing corp. Also, there's a few skills in the industry and science section that you should train up to get more profit out of your manufacturing business.
Linkage
The link isn't that up-to-date but the basics are there...and maybes I just ruined the secret of manufacutring and all the profit is gone for us industry folks....or maybe not, who cares..
But it can be made profitable if you're told how by people who care and know what they're on about. Of course, ou make much more profit with tech II items, but you can make it work at tech I if you heed advice.
In my calculations I assumed that all involved skills are maxed and with 0.0 wastage. Still I've found that most of the T1 stuff produced is worth less as the minerals from wich it is made
Oh right, specifics plz? You're probably in a back water region where people just want to dominate the market, so they mine their minerals and then sell then, hence making profit no matter what apart from a loss of time.
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Moghydin
Beyond Divinity Inc
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Posted - 2006.08.20 23:03:00 -
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If you enjoy industry, then why not. You may even get a profit in the end If you plan to live off that, then no.
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P'tank
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Posted - 2006.08.20 23:10:00 -
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Originally by: Dei
Originally by: P'tank
Originally by: Dei Basically, you need to know small tricks of the industry trade, like Material research which cuts down on the number of minerals that you use to make the said product. CCP aren't going to let you make profit from manufacturing straight away, otherwise everyone will be doing it!
If you're really interested in manufacturing, try looking for a manufacturing corp. Also, there's a few skills in the industry and science section that you should train up to get more profit out of your manufacturing business.
Linkage
The link isn't that up-to-date but the basics are there...and maybes I just ruined the secret of manufacutring and all the profit is gone for us industry folks....or maybe not, who cares..
But it can be made profitable if you're told how by people who care and know what they're on about. Of course, ou make much more profit with tech II items, but you can make it work at tech I if you heed advice.
In my calculations I assumed that all involved skills are maxed and with 0.0 wastage. Still I've found that most of the T1 stuff produced is worth less as the minerals from wich it is made
Oh right, specifics plz? You're probably in a back water region where people just want to dominate the market, so they mine their minerals and then sell then, hence making profit no matter what apart from a loss of time.
Price checks were done in the tash-murkon region, taking into account the average prices
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Dei
Crystaline Green
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Posted - 2006.08.20 23:31:00 -
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Aye, Tash-Murkon....what a cheap place that is to get your goods, try going to Kihtaled where the exotic dancers are as expensive as a Navy Raven
...No they're not really, but trust me, there's some traders in that region that, I swear, don't make profit on half the things they sell. Good place to buy stuff, bad place to sell stuff in Tash-Murkon.
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Akira Kaneshiro
Caldari Associated Press
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Posted - 2006.08.20 23:51:00 -
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NO
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Karl Mord
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Posted - 2006.08.21 00:07:00 -
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As has been stated in this thread... If you see items for less than mineral value... What are you complaining about? That is free money.
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Dei
Crystaline Green
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Posted - 2006.08.21 00:11:00 -
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Also bear in mind that a lot of rookies sell their loot for a lot less than mineral worth, most just sell it straight, others think they are clever and stick up sell orders, in which case the refiners can claim their reward.
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hanibel
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Posted - 2006.08.21 00:17:00 -
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Ignore the doom and gloom merchants above. You can make money selling T1 stuff, admitedly not so easily with the T1 ships as the margins on those can be scraped to the bone but with a good choice of components. ie. stuff that is constantly in demand. Try looking at ammo, that is virtually allways producing a profit with a good turnover.
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Al Thorr
Caldari The Wheel
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Posted - 2006.08.21 00:26:00 -
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Simply. Yes.
As long as you use your head you will make a decent income producing t1 goods. If you think that it is a ticket to get rich quick. then alas you may well be disappointed.
The advice given about joining a manufacturing corp- Is a good one. It will gove you an insight into what is entailed , with out the financial risks.
Good luck in your endeavours
Regards
Al Thorr
"You cant polish a turd" - The new rendered font is living proof.
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Jobie Thickburger
Gallente Miner Guide to the Galaxy
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Posted - 2006.08.21 00:30:00 -
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Originally by: hanibel Ignore the doom and gloom merchants above. You can make money selling T1 stuff, admitedly not so easily with the T1 ships as the margins on those can be scraped to the bone but with a good choice of components. ie. stuff that is constantly in demand. Try looking at ammo, that is virtually allways producing a profit with a good turnover.
Aye, Look into Ammo, It usually sells quickly, and has a good markup. Also look into Weaponry, I found one gun that sells for 1million, but costs only 400k to produce.
As for ships, Frigates are kinda hard to turn a profit off of, But if you get to the bigger ships (battleships), you can usually pull 5-10 mil over the material costs.
But I do like your line of thinking....
Everyone! Quit production! Don't build Anything anymore!
(/me sits back and waits for market prices to increase, allowing him to corner the market)
CEO - MGTTG
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Ben Derindar
Dirty Deeds Corp. Axiom Empire
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Posted - 2006.08.21 01:53:00 -
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Originally by: P'tank Is there actually any way to profit producing tech 1 gear?
Sure there is. As Avon said, just find an undersupplied region and go for it.
Tried 0.0?
/Ben
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Selena 001
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Posted - 2006.08.21 02:25:00 -
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Originally by: Avon Don't listen to all the doom and gloom merchants.
There are reasonably well populated areas of Eve with very underseeded markets, and that is where the ISK is.
If you see modules for sale for under the ISK value of the minerals, buy them, refine them, and sell the minerals, or use them to produce something with even a small profit margin. Better than mining.
Not meaning to pick at staws here, but you've replied to a "Is T1 production worth it?" by saying : Yes, buy it and then refine it. What you really meant to say is 'No, unless you want to make 15K per item for the rest of your life' right?  ___________
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CharlieMurphy
Amarr Viziam
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Posted - 2006.08.21 02:34:00 -
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Quote: Is there actually any way to profit producing tech 1 gear?
yes definately and yes from making ships too imo cruisers turn more profit than bs do, just you have to sell alot more of them to notice it A well researched BPO of the right cruiser on the rigth market and you can make a good profit
the question you really need to ask is can you mine your own zydrine, if the answer is no then your profit margin is going to be minute
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Arushia
TEK Inc. R i s e
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Posted - 2006.08.21 02:58:00 -
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It's possible, but you have to pick the right product to sell and market to sell it in.
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Kai Jyokoroi
133rd Ghost Wing R i s e
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Posted - 2006.08.21 03:04:00 -
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Edited by: Kai Jyokoroi on 21/08/2006 03:04:55
Battleships in 0.0. There are never enough on the market. Get yourself a few BPOs, a dedicated corp, a new alliance to join, and a 20% profit margin and you'll be doing ok. Especially if you mine all the mins yourself.
Although, as Gort said before (hi Gorty! ) you will never make serious money on t1 ships. He should know... _____________ The day I receive my first moderator forum-sig hijack is the day I realise I have won Eve.
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Khargos
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Posted - 2006.08.21 03:07:00 -
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Anybody who says the T1 market is not worth it has obviously never tried to make capships.
bling bling yo.
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Maya Rkell
Sebiestor tribe
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Posted - 2006.08.21 03:28:00 -
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Yes. Just don't rush to ships thinking they're where the cash is. It isn't.
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Resetgun
Caldari
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Posted - 2006.08.21 04:18:00 -
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If you are ready to use lot's of time to hauling materials and your products, in some very limited cases and limited systems you are making small and slow profit. You also need to constantly watch market and follow trends, price cutting and negative profit selling are common practices. Before trying manufacturing, research first what to sell and where to sell.
I would recommend to do missions and rat hunting instead. For most of players manufacturing is currently dead end that is spiralling slowly towards bottom - unless you some miraculous ways or/and stubborn patience get a T2 blueprint, or make your way to capital manufacturing ship (most likely when you are ready for capital ships, there is already enough supply to satisfy demand). For most corporations, manufacturing is a support role to get cheap and necessary equipment for rat hunting, wars and missions.
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