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K1K1R1K1
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Posted - 2006.08.22 06:06:00 -
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Desaria
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Posted - 2006.08.22 06:06:00 -
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Just some latenight smack going on between me and some pirates. It was a veteran player pirating with a newbie in a .1 system. The vet was flying a raven and the newbie (about 3 months old I believe) was flying a domni. Here's just a snippet of the chat.
-noob's corp m8- > Whats the point?
K1K1R1K1 > a noob in a bs... thats the point
K1K1R1K1 > massive isk loss just waiting to happen
-noob's corp m8- > oh
-noob's corp m8- > nvm mis understood
K1K1R1K1 > if he doesn't have jammers i'd bet i could take em out in my cyclone
-noob's corp m8- > Yeah better off for you to stay with frigs/cruisers
-noob- > and i bet i could have no damage if you had no weaponry
-noob- > what a stupid thing to say
If a noob can come up with this statement then... well make of it what you want :) I just felt like sharing.
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Hamatitio
Caldari
Fate.
Dusk and Dawn
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Posted - 2006.08.22 06:11:00 -
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You said a hypothetical "if he had no ecm I could win"
He said a hypothetical "If you had no guns I wouldn't take damage"
I don't see the point to this thread at all.
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...why do you people always have to verbally assault each other over things that doesn't matter anyway?
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Desaria
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Posted - 2006.08.22 06:17:00 -
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The way I saw it is a noob is saying that jammers are as much part of pvp as guns.
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Wat0721
GalacTECH Unlimited
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Posted - 2006.08.22 06:28:00 -
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Originally by: Desaria
The way I saw it is a noob is saying that jammers are as much part of pvp as guns.
I...
I think you lose.
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The Tengu
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Posted - 2006.08.22 06:29:00 -
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Originally by: Desaria
The way I saw it is a noob is saying that jammers are as much part of pvp as guns.
Well.....dur....
They are as much a part of PvP as guns. Just because you don't like them and the fact that jammers are insanely overpowered doesn't mean they aren't a valid weapon.
Not sure what you're looking for with this thread, but I don't think you're going to find it........
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Tachy
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Posted - 2006.08.22 06:31:00 -
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Attack that BS in a smaller ship and bring a jammer or two.
You will lock faster.
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HippoKing
Caldari
Beagle Corp
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Posted - 2006.08.22 07:20:00 -
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Well, the guy has a point. ECM is sad and broken, but you can't just discount it for reasons of e-peen.
"You only won because of you fitting hardening mods"
"You'd be the worst sniper ever without sensor boosters"
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Jim McGregor
Caldari
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Posted - 2006.08.22 07:53:00 -
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Originally by: HippoKing
Well, the guy has a point. ECM is sad and broken, but you can't just discount it for reasons of e-peen.
"You only won because of you fitting hardening mods"
"You'd be the worst sniper ever without sensor boosters"
Ecm is ONLY annoying because it forces you to sit there and die, helpless. Thats why its not appriciated by players being subjected to it. Its like if a rogue could keep someone stunned forever in WoW and just keep beating them to death. In fact, the good ones could... and it creates lots and lots of hate in the forums.
Everybody wants to be able to fight back. Its lame when you get completely locked down and just dies without firing a single shot.
Oh well... been discussed many times. Im just not very patient in waiting for the "fix".
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Griff Skyshock
Caldari
Eve Defence Force
Ascendant Frontier
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Posted - 2006.08.22 08:16:00 -
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This is such a pointless thread. |
Kery Nysell
Caldari
Nysell Incorporated
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Posted - 2006.08.22 08:34:00 -
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Originally by: Jim McGregor
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Ecm is ONLY annoying because it forces you to sit there and die, helpless.
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Unless you're also scrambled, you're NOT forced to sit there and die ... warp out ? As far as I know, you don't need a lock to be able to warp ...
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Toolivus
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Posted - 2006.08.22 09:15:00 -
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When are you ever not scrambled?
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AlphaM
Karnival of Death Squad
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Posted - 2006.08.22 09:32:00 -
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 when your enemy is jammed
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Paper Airplane
Aurum Technologies Limited
Novus Ordos Seclorum
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Posted - 2006.08.22 20:00:00 -
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Originally by: Jim McGregor
...Its like if a rogue could keep someone stunned forever in WoW and just keep beating them to death...
EVE just got compared to WoW...that's proof enough that ECM is overpowered.
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lardus pardus
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Posted - 2006.08.22 21:54:00 -
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Originally by: Desaria
-noob's corp m8- > Whats the point?
K1K1R1K1 > a noob in a bs... thats the point
K1K1R1K1 > massive isk loss just waiting to happen
-noob's corp m8- > oh
-noob's corp m8- > nvm mis understood
K1K1R1K1 > if he doesn't have jammers i'd bet i could take em out in my cyclone
-noob's corp m8- > Yeah better off for you to stay with frigs/cruisers
-noob- > and i bet i could have no damage if you had no weaponry
-noob- > what a stupid thing to say
The point being made by k1k1 is that the batteship is likely to be porly fitted by a pilot unable to fly it.
The 'joke' here is that the "noob" doesn't get that point.
End of discussion, please please devs stop listenign to philosophers.
"If a thousand monkeys sat as a thousand typewriters for long enough, eventually they'd make a decent forum post"
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Randay
0utbreak
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Posted - 2006.08.22 22:02:00 -
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Thanks for sharing and owning yourself.
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Siren Call
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Posted - 2006.08.22 22:09:00 -
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Since i am kinda drunk and also annoyed that server is still down...i came up with this idea for ecm...
How about it just stops a number of ur guns from working..., ie it knocks out a certain percentage of ur guns from locking a target?
This seems a good idea as it wud still allow say, a BS firing at the ship that jams it, but still gives a MAJOR advantage to the ship or gang that has managed to jam the enemy...seems a much fairer idea.
I cant remember the number of times i have set there and got pounded by an inferior ship and player whilst i cant even fire back.
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Jesnen
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Posted - 2006.08.23 03:14:00 -
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you have heard that they make radar boosters and whatnot right? if you dont like getting jammed invest in one 
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Shaala
Caldari
Singularity Services
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Posted - 2006.08.23 09:57:00 -
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Edited by: Shaala on 23/08/2006 09:58:14
they should remove interdictors from the game also. It is totaly lame being in the middle of the bubble with your Apoc, webbed and targetet by 10 ships, not being able to shoot ba...err, do anything.
Of course they should change the ECMs to jamm 80% of the enemy weapons, maybe even renaming the description to: reduces the enemy firepower always by 80%. That would nullify the randomness factor of a fight and give the enemy a realistic chance to always shoot back and possibly win that way. It would also be less anoying for the attacker when the target had no chance to regain it¦s full functionality at any given time.
ohh, back to the original post:
It is of course totaly unresponsible to take a rather new player out to hunt and compensating the flaw with ECMs... I think they were totaly aware that the "noob" lacked skill to fly a BS properly, so the intentional meaning of your mentioning was not recognizable, since they might not have thought that you were talking about trivialities. |
Shimpu
Asgard Schiffswerften
Dusk and Dawn
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Posted - 2006.08.23 11:13:00 -
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Edited by: Shimpu on 23/08/2006 11:15:38
Edited by: Shimpu on 23/08/2006 11:13:41
Originally by: Jim McGregor
Ecm is ONLY annoying because it forces you to sit there and die, helpless. Thats why its not appriciated by players being subjected to it. Its like if a rogue could keep someone stunned forever in WoW and just keep beating them to death. In fact, the good ones could... and it creates lots and lots of hate in the forums.
I would still love to see ECM modules removed but the Burst one. Increase range of this to the old ECM mod values. Then make it a anti-gank weapon... The more people have you aggressed, the better it works to jam the aggressors in the certain range. If it's 1v1, the chance is 0%. If it's 2 people, the chance of jamming *both* at the same time is at 50%. If they are 3, the chance would be 75%. Rinse and repeat
the aggressors ship type should also be factored in the formula somehow. Like if it's smaller than you, it gets nerved by 50% again. 2 frigs against a cruiser would have a 0% jam chance. 4 frigs against your cruiser and you get a 50% chance.
What would it help:
- Remove ganking from this game to some degree
- More solo fighting \o/
- ECM is fixed
If you like it, spread the idea!
EDIT: OMG, this would even fix fleet battles. No focuses fire anymore but meta-fleets of autonomous gangs!!! Send me isk now 
Originally by: Unknown Scout
"ze scoud ffrom xzy, hSs a geighz aggdi...,eeeeeehhhmmmmm, somesing is jambing halt, sree hospitalized incoming." |
Jason Marshall
Hammer Of Light
Astral Wolves
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Posted - 2006.08.23 11:16:00 -
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Large Smartbombs> Small ship with jammer (cruisers/frigs)
Tacky lens flares in sigs 4tw! |
Paper Airplane
Aurum Technologies Limited
Novus Ordos Seclorum
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Posted - 2006.08.23 16:27:00 -
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Edited by: Paper Airplane on 23/08/2006 16:28:05
what if ECM only broke all your current locks, but didn't keep you jammed?
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Grey Area
Caldari
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Posted - 2006.08.24 08:12:00 -
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Originally by: Jim McGregor
Ecm is ONLY annoying because it forces you to sit there and die, helpless.
QFT. Dying in a fight can be fun...being slaughtered like a pig is by and large, not. I'm happy with a chance based system for ECM, it's just that IMHO CCP have their percentages wrong...if you're going to get a 50:50 chance of effectively turning any given ship into a target that can't fight back, then you shoudl be sacrificing a damn sight more in terms of performance of your own ship than you have to currently.
Best chance to scramble a ship should be about 1 in 4, and you shouldn't be able to fit more than one type of the same jammer (so no more fitting four multispectrals and just cycling them until you are successful).
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