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Terranid Meester
Tactical Assault and Recon Unit
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Posted - 2014.11.04 05:55:01 -
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I can categorically say I have never awoxed, however such a thing will affect the eve universe as a whole. Have CCP really thought this through because honestly it sometimes seems as though they havn't got one clue. Now I like the idea that in the eve universe, it is possible to infiltrate a corporation/organisation to assassinate a particular despicable character/rich carebear with a pimped out boat that never leaves high sec. This means that eve will be seen as not as mean as people like it to be and it could suffer from such a change. Would I like some mechanic to replace awoxing, yes, something formal [bounty hunting, cough cough] or likewise. Would something like the Guiding Hand Social Club Heist still be possible in todays CCP? Are todays CCP leaning a bit too much on the side of riskless gameplay?
I believe the direct consequence of this is that there will be more suicide gankers and more war deccing, this in turn will lead to riskless carebears moving themselves into npc corporations. If this is to be laid true, then I think the npc corp tax which is 11% I think, don't ask me I don't npc corp, should rise in response, in order to encourage people to stick with player corporations.
Apologies for terrible posting.
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Julia Brasher
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2014.11.04 06:15:43 -
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Don't worry. Before you know it, wardecs and ganking will be removed too. Just like this redundant thread. |

Scipio Artelius
The Vendunari End of Life
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Posted - 2014.11.04 06:18:17 -
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Well, if awoxing is going to be removed, removing it from corporations is as good a place as any.
Awoxers will find a way to awox, mostly because even if you remove awoxing tools, you don't educate dumb Corporations.
Just as gankers have found a way to kill more freighters since the recent buff, because Freighter pilots don't use those buffs. Nothing will change much. Eve will still be Eve (I hope).
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Ama Scelesta
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Posted - 2014.11.04 06:31:22 -
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Terranid Meester wrote:I can categorically say I have never awoxed, however such a thing will affect the eve universe as a whole. Have CCP really thought this through because honestly it sometimes seems as though they havn't got one clue. Now I like the idea that in the eve universe, it is possible to infiltrate a corporation/organisation to assassinate a particular despicable character/rich carebear with a pimped out boat that never leaves high sec. This means that eve will be seen as not as mean as people like it to be and it could suffer from such a change. Would I like some mechanic to replace awoxing, yes, something formal [bounty hunting, cough cough] or likewise. Would something like the Guiding Hand Social Club Heist still be possible in todays CCP? Are todays CCP leaning a bit too much on the side of riskless gameplay?
I believe the direct consequence of this is that there will be more suicide gankers and more war deccing, this in turn will lead to riskless carebears moving themselves into npc corporations. If this is to be laid true, then I think the npc corp tax which is 11% I think, don't ask me I don't npc corp, should rise in response, in order to encourage people to stick with player corporations.
Apologies for terrible posting.
Yes the GHSC heist would still be possible awoxing or no. In fact I find it somewhat insulting you would compare awoxing to a long term planned infiltration of a corp, that required months to gain their trust and the needed access to assets. GHSC heist was something truly amazing. Awoxing is about as amazing as watching a monkey fling its ***** at someone. Slightly amusing but nothing clever or worthy of praise. |

Arronicus
Fusion Enterprises Ltd Brothers of Tangra
1219
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Posted - 2014.11.04 06:42:09 -
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Honestly, if you compare highsec in-corp awoxing to corp heists, you're either incredibly naive or incredibly ignorant, and shouldn't even comment on the matter. This change does not affect awoxing as a whole in eve, but only your ability to attack HIGHSEC corpmates without penalty. You can still awox in null, low, w-space. You know, the parts of eve you travel to once you're done hiding under the illusions of highsec safety. This much needed change is not a pre-cursor to the end of wardecs ganking, etc, and anyone who tells you otherwise can safely be lumped together with the Eve is dying crowd. Get real, and over yourself. The real money, corp thefts, are completely unaffected by this. |

Ima Wreckyou
The Conference Elite CODE.
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Posted - 2014.11.04 06:43:31 -
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It could also make it easier for people who actually play the game to quickly assemble a corp without the care it usually needed and wardec the crap out of the carebears. This will still force them back to NPC corps or into small corps that use the reform non-exploit.
It will change absolutely nothing apart from removing content for a few players who actually played the game and probably paid 10 times longer for EVE than the average carebear who will drop out of EVE out of boredom after a few weeks anyway.
Don't stash the tear bucket just yet, as many other said, wardecs are probably next...
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Gryphon Infinite
Caldari Provisions Caldari State
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Posted - 2014.11.04 06:47:08 -
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Hmm, i need to think over what you wrote and work on my reply. Interesting stuff though and topic, haven't thought about it in a while, lol.
What does everyone else think? ^^
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Herzog Wolfhammer
Sigma Special Tactics Group
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Posted - 2014.11.04 06:48:39 -
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No once AWOXing is removed the people who really earn the title of leet will adapt.
I can see a lot of cases of "failed" logistics occurring. Oopsy.
To the ISDs:
This stuff might help you guys out.
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Mocam
EVE University Ivy League
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Posted - 2014.11.04 07:43:32 -
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Gryphon Infinite wrote:Hmm, i need to think over what you wrote and work on my reply. Interesting stuff though and topic, haven't thought about it in a while, lol.
What does everyone else think? ^^
Well... One issue is getting fixed along with this removal - the "won't dock so can't kick" issue. The downtime kick queue will fix that.
Other issues that will come up: I don't think E-Uni is the only corp in highsec to pop and pod our members if they go AFK on war-ops.
We've done this for years and it's necessary at times to deal with issues (one guy heard a thump and his kid yell from another room - he tossed a "AFK" into the mic and headed out. The next day, he apologized for having to dump & run his kid to the hospital. - sh** happens at times and he even thanked folks for making sure he didn't give a killmail to the WT's.)
We don't like leaving free-kills sitting in space so we do this ourselves. Then there are other situations... An FC once promised he'd sing a stupid song if they didn't catch some WT's a few years back. When they didn't catch the guys, he refused to sing so the fleet blew him away.
Little things like not leaving freebie kills floating there in your fleet as well as some of the interesting expressions from logi pilots about "auto return targeting" by combat pilots with the "oops... sorry" and "no you aren't, not yet anyway..." replies.
It doesn't just effect things like awoxing but other stuff, some funny things - others more serious but people will adapt to it. |

Luwc
Confederation of Independent Contractors Swamphole
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Posted - 2014.11.04 07:48:49 -
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100% agree
stop voting carebears into CSM
CCP is making eve more and more idiot friendly.
If a recruiter does his job properly it also minimizes the awoxing threat by a lot.
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Luwc
Confederation of Independent Contractors Swamphole
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Posted - 2014.11.04 07:49:17 -
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Julia Brasher wrote:Don't worry. Before you know it, wardecs and ganking will be removed too. Just like this redundant thread.
stop posting on an alt carebear.
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Rek Seven
Probe Patrol
1954
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Posted - 2014.11.04 07:51:44 -
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For the non neckbeards in the room, what's awoxing?
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Alastair Ormand
Running With Scissors. Apocalypse Now.
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Posted - 2014.11.04 08:01:11 -
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Luwc wrote:100% agree
stop voting carebears into CSM
CCP is making eve more and more idiot friendly.
If a recruiter does his job properly it also minimizes the awoxing threat by a lot.
You can be 100% careful. Cross check names and search for history etc etc and still get awox'd. So you're point on recruiters "doing their job" is kind of redundant.
This is more to cater to the casual and/or younger player who doesn't have the time to do those sort of things, or does not have the knowledge on how to do so. They can't keep targeting older, "smarter" (*cough*) people as their audience, it just won't sustain the game.
As already mentioned there are still war decs and ganking to get rid of targets. So you can infiltrate a corp and steal their stuff or provide a warp @ 0 to a target for ganking.
This adds a risk factor to awoxing when there previously was none.
Don't run with a stick in your mouth.
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WhyYouHeffToBeMad IsOnlyGame
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
1953
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Posted - 2014.11.04 08:11:30 -
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apology for poor english when were you when the awoxers are unsub i was sat at station drinking quafe zero when chribba ring 'hisec is kill' 'no' and you?????????????????
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Luwc
Confederation of Independent Contractors Swamphole
277
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Posted - 2014.11.04 08:17:27 -
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Alastair Ormand wrote:Luwc wrote:100% agree
stop voting carebears into CSM
CCP is making eve more and more idiot friendly.
If a recruiter does his job properly it also minimizes the awoxing threat by a lot. You can be 100% careful. Cross check names and search for history etc etc and still get awox'd. So you're point on recruiters "doing their job" is kind of redundant. This is more to cater to the casual and/or younger player who doesn't have the time to do those sort of things, or does not have the knowledge on how to do so. They can't keep targeting older, "smarter" (*cough*) people as their audience, it just won't sustain the game. As already mentioned there are still war decs and ganking to get rid of targets. So you can infiltrate a corp and steal their stuff or provide a warp @ 0 to a target for ganking. This adds a risk factor to awoxing when there previously was none.
80% of people just wont undock when wardecced.
come on lets be honest here.
The only reason behind this is "oooo I dont want to loose my ship in high sec"
awoxing is a part of eve and an important one.
watch early trailers. it even gets promoted.
Stealing is not awoxing by the way.
Awoxing is a great tool to bring risk to high sec for example where people already cry that concord cant protect them fast enough.
edit : if eve is too risky or complicated for you just **** off back to WoW aka. HTFU
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Some Rando
University of Caille Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2014.11.04 08:23:14 -
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Julia Brasher wrote:Don't worry. Before you know it, wardecs and ganking will be removed too. No, you have to have some way to remove towers and POCOs, and CCP continues to maintain that ganking is the apex of high-sec violence.
It's kind of funny how many people this affects, would never have though EVE Uni would need it. I'll bet the "feature" will come with "corporate safeties" that will make shooting corpmates more "intuitive".
CCP has no sense of humour.
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WhyYouHeffToBeMad IsOnlyGame
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
1955
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Posted - 2014.11.04 08:23:37 -
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Luwc wrote:80% of people just wont undock when wardecced.
come on lets be honest here.
The only reason behind this is "oooo I dont want to loose my ship in high sec"
awoxing is a part of eve and an important one.
watch early trailers. it even gets promoted.
Stealing is not awoxing by the way.
Awoxing is a great tool to bring risk to high sec for example where people already cry that concord cant protect them fast enough. all of this.
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Herzog Wolfhammer
Sigma Special Tactics Group
5612
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Posted - 2014.11.04 08:23:51 -
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Rek Seven wrote:For the non neckbeards in the room, what's awoxing?
It's an application of a cleaning gel to another player. It burns their skin and they screw up. Then you can gank them.
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Robert Caldera
Caldera Trading and Investment
763
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Posted - 2014.11.04 08:27:32 -
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another "harsh" part of the game departs with this patch. Eve is loosing its appleal of harsh and cutthroat society, patch by patch. |

Caleb Seremshur
The Atomic Fallout Kids
400
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Posted - 2014.11.04 08:39:10 -
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Ima Wreckyou wrote:It could also make it easier for people who actually play the game to quickly assemble a corp without the care it usually needed and wardec the crap out of the carebears. This will still force them back to NPC corps or into small corps that use the reform non-exploit.
It will change absolutely nothing apart from removing content for a few players who actually played the game and probably paid 10 times longer for EVE than the average carebear who will drop out of EVE out of boredom after a few weeks anyway.
Don't stash the tear bucket just yet, as many other said, wardecs are probably next...
Try leaving highsec.
The irrational tears I'm seeing every day are just so sad.
You should be using this as an opportunity now to nerf highsec or shrink it since a sacrifice to risk somewhere should be compensated for somewhere else. Not to mention a smaller highsec would create some healthy competition for our bloated carebears.
But I see you're content to just complain in circular logic instead.
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Jacob Holland
Weyland-Vulcan Industries
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Posted - 2014.11.04 08:58:59 -
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Luwc wrote:watch early trailers. it even gets promoted. Citation Needed.
I don't see anything of significance going.
The highly pimped ships will be socially engineered into "tank tests" or baited into situations where they otherwise accept (or initiate) duel invites. "I have remote reps fitted but I'll need to nos you for capacitor..."
GHSC's heist did not rely on corp shooting - Istvaan wasn't in the corp as I recall and it was he who initiated the fight side - and might even be easier to accomplish with the end of in-corp agression.
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ISD Community Communications Liaisons
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Posted - 2014.11.04 09:12:54 -
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