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Hevymetal Eve Defence Force Cult of War 377	Posted - 2014.11.04 09:33:36 - [1] - Quote With the new patch and anti-corp agression mechanics going into place preventing AWOXing of corp members also have the consequence of preventing corpmates flying freighters from getting boosted by webbing them into warp from other corpmates? I have a feeling someone's gonna be suprised if this is the case. Web to help freighter --> Poof from Concord?
Nick Starkey Future Corps Sleeper Social Club 85	Posted - 2014.11.04 09:35:55 - [2] - Quote I heard duel requests were a thing. ..
Abrazzar Vardaugas Family 5048	Posted - 2014.11.04 09:54:38 - [3] - Quote Or you set up a corp with all dedicated webbing alts and have a mutual war with the freighter corp. Sovereignty and Population New Mining Mechanics
Ama Scelesta 88	Posted - 2014.11.04 09:57:34 - [4] - Quote Safety settings are also a thing. Putting it to red is a statement, that you know what you're doing or don't care about being CONCORDED.
Eugene Kerner TunDraGon Cynosural Field Theory. 1409	Posted - 2014.11.04 10:13:13 - [5] - Quote The changes are bad and force people to exploit other (even worse) game mechanics such as WOW duelling. Especially freighter pilots have set the auto-reject to this function because you get spammed with it at every major undock and even on gates. TunDraGon is recruiting! "Also, your boobs [:o] " -á CCP Eterne, 2012 "When in doubt...make a di++k joke."-áRobin Williams - RIP
Nevyn Auscent Broke Sauce 1645	Posted - 2014.11.04 10:19:58 - [6] - Quote Eugene Kerner wrote: The changes are bad and force people to exploit other (even worse) game mechanics such as WOW duelling. Especially freighter pilots have set the auto-reject to this function because you get spammed with it at every major undock and even on gates. So the Freighter pilot makes the request of the alt, not the other way around. Also you only need to do it once then it refreshes every time you web. So you can briefly enable them, then disable them. Lastly, I do not think this word exploit means what you think it does.
Marcus Tedric Tedric Enterprises The Star League 7	Posted - 2014.11.04 10:44:32 - [7] - Quote OP seems to imply that the 'anti-Awoxing' change is coming. However, it's not in the current patch notes and, I thought, currently just an assumption based upon a part of the last CSM minutes. If, 'freighter-webbing' now becomes 'CONCORD-illegal' in the future, does this link to the plan that Capitals will be allowed in High Sec? For that would make sense, given that Freighters were originally a Null Sec ship for transporting Station Eggs and perhaps that's where they belong. Carriers and the Rorqual (and hence keeping that incredibly useful drone bonus) would become the High Sec haulers of choice - given they can fit a fairly decent tank. In fact, given their immunity to EWAR, perhaps Supers will be the ship of choice? So, is it actually coming to pass? Will accepting a duel be the logical solution?
Kiandoshia Applied Anarchy SpaceMonkey's Alliance 1827	Posted - 2014.11.04 11:13:13 - [8] - Quote Duels. I believe the duel timer lasts long enough for a freighter to cross a system, come out the other side and then be webbed again.
Marcus Tedric Tedric Enterprises The Star League 7	Posted - 2014.11.04 11:17:55 - [9] - Quote Kiandoshia wrote: Duels. I believe the duel timer lasts long enough for a freighter to cross a system, come out the other side and then be webbed again. Thanks, I shall give it a try. Never used duels (was away when they were introduced) and otherwise don't really see the point in them - it's not like combat.
Kiandoshia Applied Anarchy SpaceMonkey's Alliance 1828	Posted - 2014.11.04 11:27:15 - [10] - Quote Marcus Tedric wrote: Kiandoshia wrote: Duels. I believe the duel timer lasts long enough for a freighter to cross a system, come out the other side and then be webbed again. Thanks, I shall give it a try. Never used duels (was away when they were introduced) and otherwise don't really see the point in them - it's not like combat. I blocked them on my hauler the moment I first saw them but I learned just yesterday that it is possible to initiate a duel from a character who has duel invites blocked.

Andreus Ixiris Duty. Circle-Of-Two 4787	Posted - 2014.11.04 12:08:44 - [11] - Quote I hate to crash this daily meeting of the Oh God Help Us The Sky Is Falling club, but it must be remarked upon that nowhere in Phoebe has a change to intra-corporation aggression mechanics been made. Mane 614
Barefoot Shiraz Deep Core Mining Inc. Caldari State 0	Posted - 2014.11.04 12:27:08 - [12] - Quote Andreus Ixiris wrote: I hate to crash this daily meeting of the Oh God Help Us The Sky Is Falling club, but it must be remarked upon that nowhere in Phoebe has a change to intra-corporation aggression mechanics been made. What this man said. What are you all babbling about?
Chopper Rollins Lantean Empire 980	Posted - 2014.11.04 12:35:16 - [13] - Quote Barefoot Shiraz wrote: Andreus Ixiris wrote: I hate to crash this daily meeting of the Oh God Help Us The Sky Is Falling club, but it must be remarked upon that nowhere in Phoebe has a change to intra-corporation aggression mechanics been made. What this man said. What are you all babbling about? This. But still, get out of highsec. Goggles. Making me look good. Making you look good.
The Tomonator Central Builders Incorporated Northern Associates. 0	Posted - 2014.11.04 14:13:52 - [14] - Quote does this change also impact fleet? (weren't you able to attack other fleet members freely? Or am I mega out of date lol)
Adrie Atticus Shadows of Rebellion The Bastion 476	Posted - 2014.11.04 14:17:44 - [15] - Quote The Tomonator wrote: does this change also impact fleet? (weren't you able to attack other fleet members freely? Or am I mega out of date lol) Out of date.
Marcus Tedric Tedric Enterprises The Star League 7	Posted - 2014.11.04 14:43:25 - [16] - Quote Not entirely sure what some of the intervening posts were about.... But I thought I'd test - result: No, as we all thought, it's not been introduced yet - and may not be, indeed I assume. However, if it is, then accepting a duel is certainly the way to be able to continue to web freighters/capitals if that is desired. Not only does the duel last 5mins (which is quite a long time), it even resets each jump and so doesn't have to be repeated. This indeed would also work to allow non-corp members to assist ships too, so even more flexible. If the change comes about, then the mechanic can still work. No changes, freighters just as vulnerable or able to take precautions as now.
Omar Alharazaad Lords.Of.Midnight The Devil's Warrior Alliance 696	Posted - 2014.11.04 14:49:31 - [17] - Quote so, as I assumed, this whole craze has been a result of ideas being thrown around and subsequently being taken as fact by those who wish it were so. In other words, if it were real it would be in the patch notes... not something trivial that would be omitted on accident. For the anti's... unbunch thy collective panties. For the pro's, relax thy throbbing member... for it's not happening tonight.
ISD LackOfFaith ISD Community Communications Liaisons 1787	Posted - 2014.11.04 15:48:16 - [18] - Quote Speculation on possible future changes is fine, and we've seen plenty of threads talking about the possible future change in corp aggression mechanics. That said, there has been no change to corp aggression mechanics in Phoebe, nor is there even an announced set of changes that affects those mechanics. Please keep that in mind as you discuss the topic. I am adding a note to the end of the OP to prevent misinformation. > ISD LackOfFaith > Captain > Community Communication Liaisons (CCLs) > Interstellar Services Department I do not respond to Eve Mail or anything other than the forums.
The Tomonator Central Builders Incorporated Northern Associates. 0	Posted - 2014.11.04 15:53:36 - [19] - Quote Big Thumbs up to clearing that up! (wishes he'd had time to read the detail in patch notes) Yeah, the way it's been talked about here made it seem like it was happening this patch. Personally, for whatever reasons, I quite like the way it is. Corporation for me is about trust. Don't let people in you don't trust, and know that even trusted people can still decieve you. that's life. There's only one way to be truly safe, run a corp with only your accounts in it (yeah, even your RL best mate might screw you over for a laugh!). :)
Omar Alharazaad Lords.Of.Midnight The Devil's Warrior Alliance 703	Posted - 2014.11.04 15:55:06 - [20] - Quote Just made my week. These alleged changes have caused nearly as much hysteria on GD as the Ebola virus has on American media. TY ISD LackOfFaith

War Kitten Panda McLegion 5417	Posted - 2014.11.04 16:06:40 - [21] - Quote Omar Alharazaad wrote: Just made my week. These alleged changes have caused nearly as much hysteria on GD as the Ebola virus has on American media. TY ISD LackOfFaith What? Webbing freighters in corp spreads Ebola? CCP, FIX IT! I find that without a good mob to provide one for them, most people would have no mentality at all.
Some Rando University of Caille Gallente Federation 1242	Posted - 2014.11.04 16:07:52 - [22] - Quote There will probably be some sort of "corporate safety" to make shooting corpmates more "intuitive"; that sort of thing was discussed in the CSM minutes, IIRC. CCP has no sense of humour.
Marcus Tedric Tedric Enterprises The Star League 9	Posted - 2014.11.04 16:08:22 - [23] - Quote Omar Alharazaad wrote: Just made my week. These alleged changes have caused nearly as much hysteria on GD as the Ebola virus has on American media. TY ISD LackOfFaith I'm sorry, but I'm not getting it. I didn't think these changes were happening, or even that they ever will- thus I queried the OP. I then speculated, and read the patch notes, and tested after the patch. In doing so, I learned something about duelling (which I'd not done) - and, if this change ever happens, that losing the current aggression and gaining the extra benefits of using duelling will actually be rather beneficial. What is it that I'm not getting?
Omar Alharazaad Lords.Of.Midnight The Devil's Warrior Alliance 705	Posted - 2014.11.04 16:20:25 - [24] - Quote Lets just say that sales of torches and pitchforks have risen noticeably in the last week or so. Strangely, also have sales of soapboxes.
Marcus Tedric Tedric Enterprises The Star League 9	Posted - 2014.11.04 16:51:05 - [25] - Quote Ahhh, thank you - now I think I'm getting it. In which case, then the introduction of duelling is a very backward step in this instance; which the proposed/possible change to combat Awoxing only reinforces. Before duelling (ie before I left for a sabbatical), I think I'm right in saying, in order to web a freighter you actually had to be in a Player Corp (and therefore were subject to wardecs, etc). Now, with duelling, you don't! Hmmmm.....not good.
Anne Dieu-le-veut Natl Assn for the Advancement of Criminal People 152	Posted - 2014.11.04 18:59:24 - [26] - Quote How many freighters pilots are actually in corps? I thought most webbing alts already used the duel mechanic.
Vincent Athena V.I.C.E. 2952	Posted - 2014.11.04 19:01:11 - [27] - Quote Marcus Tedric wrote: OP seems to imply that the 'anti-Awoxing' change is coming. However, it's not in the current patch notes and, I thought, currently just an assumption based upon a part of the last CSM minutes. If, 'freighter-webbing' now becomes 'CONCORD-illegal' in the future, does this link to the plan that Capitals will be allowed in High Sec? For that would make sense, given that Freighters were originally a Null Sec ship for transporting Station Eggs and perhaps that's where they belong. Carriers and the Rorqual (and hence keeping that incredibly useful drone bonus) would become the High Sec haulers of choice - given they can fit a fairly decent tank. In fact, given their immunity to EWAR, perhaps Supers will be the ship of choice? So, is it actually coming to pass? Will accepting a duel be the logical solution? Not only is it not in the patch notes, but its not been mentioned by any Dev on any forum post. The only place we see it mentioned is the CSM minutes. My guess is CCP will see if the kick queue is sufficient in itself to balance AWOXing before proposing changes to aggression. http://vincentoneve.wordpress.com/
Marcus Tedric Tedric Enterprises The Star League 9	Posted - 2014.11.04 23:05:23 - [28] - Quote Anne Dieu-le-veut wrote: How many freighters pilots are actually in corps? I thought most webbing alts already used the duel mechanic. Which was my point - before duelling the had to be in Corps - so this is something of a backward step and only encourages membership of NPC Corps.....
Nevyn Auscent Broke Sauce 1651	Posted - 2014.11.05 22:35:33 - [29] - Quote Marcus Tedric wrote: Which was my point - before duelling the had to be in Corps - so this is something of a backward step and only encourages membership of NPC Corps..... Except they didn't have to be before dueling either. Since they could use the jetcan method to create the old version of a limited engagement. Know your agro mechanics.
Marcus Tedric Tedric Enterprises The Star League 9	Posted - 2014.11.05 23:15:26 - [30] - Quote Nevyn Auscent wrote: Marcus Tedric wrote: Which was my point - before duelling the had to be in Corps - so this is something of a backward step and only encourages membership of NPC Corps..... Except they didn't have to be before dueling either. Since they could use the jetcan method to create the old version of a limited engagement. Know your agro mechanics. Thank you, yes - but I was fairly sure that Freighters couldn't jetcan either, nor pick them up) - another change. I could be wrong, but that's not how I recall it.



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