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Nevyn Auscent
Broke Sauce
1651
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Posted - 2014.11.05 22:44:33 -
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March rabbit wrote:next step should be removing ISK-price of skillboks... it doesn't provide content, limits content, etc....
Look at how large an isk sink skill books are. And gating content isn't bad, since it indicates how expensive using that content is likely to be, so slows down people from getting ahead of their isk means. |
45thtiger 0109
AL3XAND3R.
109
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Posted - 2014.11.05 22:45:59 -
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ISD Ezwal wrote:The Tomonator wrote:signed.
(though it's advertised as 'Inifinite' on the login screen etc ... but (i'm told) it's not ... its either 50 skills or 6mths (whichever smaller) and, quite clearly, that is not infinite. Would appreciate misleading advertsiing being removed so it does not mislead a customer base. :) ) The limit is 50 skill entries (= 50 skill levels) or 10 years, whichever limit you hit first. So while technically not infinite, game wise it virtually is.
Agreed ISD Ezwal.
But it is also limited by how much Game Time someone has.
For example if you have 3 months of game time and at the end of 3 months wouldn't the training stop because you have not re subscribed so that is still limited.
CCP need to re word unlimited skill training to limited.
Everything we do in life and in VR world has a limitation.
**You Have to take the good with the bad
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March rabbit
Federal Defense Union
1530
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Posted - 2014.11.05 22:46:25 -
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Nevyn Auscent wrote:March rabbit wrote:next step should be removing ISK-price of skillboks... it doesn't provide content, limits content, etc.... Look at how large an isk sink skill books are. And gating content isn't bad, since it indicates how expensive using that content is likely to be, so slows down people from getting ahead of their isk means.
The same logic couldn't help learning skills so why should it help to ISK-price of books?
The Mittani: "the inappropriate drunked joke"
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Nevyn Auscent
Broke Sauce
1652
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Posted - 2014.11.06 00:21:31 -
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45thtiger 0109 wrote:
Agreed ISD Ezwal.
But it is also limited by how much Game Time someone has.
For example if you have 3 months of game time and at the end of 3 months wouldn't the training stop because you have not re subscribed so that is still limited.
CCP need to re word unlimited skill training to limited.
Everything we do in life and in VR world has a limitation.
Case law says marketing are allowed to use hyperbole as long as the actual situation comes to somewhere it is reasonable to use such hyperbole. A 50 skill or 10 year limit of skill queues is reasonably close to unlimited as far as common practical use goes. I think I dropped about 15-20 in my skill queues and they are all 3-4 months now. And I could drop more obviously but that's the extent of the current skill plan (I know what's meant to come next but it's the next plan).
So as far as reasonable use goes, they are fine.
So rules lawyering here is silly. |
Ashlar Maidstone
Kiith Paktu
Curatores Veritatis Alliance
123
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Posted - 2014.11.06 03:36:07 -
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+1! I like it, makes it nice to plan ahead on a monthly basis for me to get the skills I need to lvl5, so no biggy there. Another thing I'm gonna enjoy with this new way is go thru and get skill sets all updated to lvl5 as well, I have some I need to do that with soooooo.... good times ahead! |
Hasikan Miallok
Republic University
Minmatar Republic
1171
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Posted - 2014.11.06 04:19:04 -
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March rabbit wrote:next step should be removing ISK-price of skillboks... it doesn't provide content, limits content, etc....
ISKIES are easy enough to come by especially if you care-bear it up with a few alts.
What would really make this change awesome is removal of the prerequisites for slotting. Whats the point in a 10 year skill queue if slotting Widget Spinning for your 3rd year of training requires you already have Martini Mixer V which you are not training till year 2 ?
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Jur Tissant
The TERRA
Guardians of Serenity
273
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Posted - 2014.11.06 04:23:57 -
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Funny how so many people were viciously opposed to the idea and they seem to have faded away...
Anyways, very glad to have years-long queues now. I'd still like to see
a) injecting skills without prereqs (just not training them) and
b) cross-character skill queues for an account, all managed from one convenient window |
Josef Djugashvilis
2650
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Posted - 2014.11.06 08:31:56 -
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ISD Ezwal wrote:Sexy Cakes wrote:Back in my day I had to walk uphill in a snow storm all the way to my PC at 2 AM to set a skill training. Hah! You were lucky! I had to walk to my PC in a gale-force 12 blizzard at 1AM and back, uphill both ways to set a skill! Bare feet mind you!
You should move to the north of England, then you would have one clog to share with the rest of the street.
This is not a signature.
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The Tomonator
Central Builders Incorporated
Northern Associates.
13
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Posted - 2014.11.06 08:54:22 -
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Caviar Liberta wrote:The Tomonator wrote:ISD Ezwal wrote:The Tomonator wrote:signed.
(though it's advertised as 'Inifinite' on the login screen etc ... but (i'm told) it's not ... its either 50 skills or 6mths (whichever smaller) and, quite clearly, that is not infinite. Would appreciate misleading advertsiing being removed so it does not mislead a customer base. :) ) The limit is 50 skill entries (= 50 skill levels) or 10 years, whichever limit you hit first. So while technically not infinite, game wise it virtually is. ah, should have read down before I posted reply. :) Thanks for the clarity. Much appreciated. :) That said ... from an advertising point of view, Inifinite means infinite, so strictly speaking the 'advertising' should be adjusted, as I'm sure there's a bunch of legal wranglers out there who'll actually give a damn and persue it. ;-) (Me, not being one of them ... though I work in the industry that has to be careful about that kind of stuff). :) Right, the term probably should be something like extended or expanded skill queue.
or use a fake word, like supercalafragalisticexpialadoshus skill training    ? |
The Tomonator
Central Builders Incorporated
Northern Associates.
13
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Posted - 2014.11.06 08:55:50 -
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Hasikan Miallok wrote:March rabbit wrote:next step should be removing ISK-price of skillboks... it doesn't provide content, limits content, etc.... ISKIES are easy enough to come by especially if you care-bear it up with a few alts. What would really make this change awesome is removal of the prerequisites for slotting. Whats the point in a 10 year skill queue if slotting Widget Spinning for your 3rd year of training requires you already have Martini Mixer V which you are not training till year 2 ?
this. Not tested this, but was hopeful it could be done. Hey ho if it can't, not the end of the world for me. |
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Alexis Nightwish
49
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Posted - 2014.11.06 15:23:05 -
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Unlimited skill queue is best skill queue.
Power Projection: A Brighter Future
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Tipa Riot
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
46
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Posted - 2014.11.06 15:36:01 -
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I like the new queue very much ... if you next remove the learning implants from the game it would be even better.
I'm my own NPC alt.
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Aralyn Cormallen
Wildly Inappropriate
Goonswarm Federation
591
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Posted - 2014.11.06 16:15:30 -
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I found the 24-hour queue no hassle when I only had one account, and even when I was on a bit of downtime from the game, was still able to keep the skills ticking, but once I had a second account, every hiatus has been a nightmare of me continually forgetting one or the other account, and discovering one had run out when I logged on to the other to keep it running.
No lost skillpoints ever again (except for next time I forget to update my clone, I really have had enough of relearning Advanced Weapon Upgrades 5...) |
Tarpedo
Incursionista
1398
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Posted - 2014.11.06 17:41:25 -
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Years of anxiety are behind me now - no more daily checks of EVEMon. Thanks, CCP!
(also for me there is no reason left to login into the game) |
Midnight Firestarter
Anger Management
28
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Posted - 2014.11.06 19:10:15 -
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Without the ability to add skills to the queue after you have added the prerequisite it's all just a gimick.
I wanted to train Amarr Battleship, but I still can only add the battleship skill after I've finished the cruiser
And in turn only after the frigate .. So I have to go back to the skill queue 3 times ....
CCP definition of unlimited skill queue sucks. |
Arsine Mayhem
Tribal Liberation Force
Minmatar Republic
363
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Posted - 2014.11.06 19:33:41 -
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Nate Hill wrote:Some players will come back or register an extra new account. It's so good and convenient to EVE.
It's not that late to save EVE from the decline.
Think I'm going the opposite way. No need to log in for queues, more time to think about why I play at all.
No more lame stargate jump sound and graphic is worth it alone. Chug chug chug. |
Kaidu Kahn
POT Corp
Semper Ardens Alliance
90
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Posted - 2014.11.06 23:05:01 -
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ISD Ezwal wrote:Sexy Cakes wrote:Back in my day I had to walk uphill in a snow storm all the way to my PC at 2 AM to set a skill training. Hah! You were lucky! I had to walk to my PC in a gale-force 12 blizzard at 1AM and back, uphill both ways to set a skill! Bare feet mind you!
I'm with you, kids these days have it so easy :)
New skill queue ROCKS!!
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Herzog Wolfhammer
Sigma Special Tactics Group
5630
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Posted - 2014.11.07 09:32:32 -
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This is great! I don't even have to log in any more. Now I just pay a sub to shitpoast and troll all of you because I hate everybody. Grrrrrrr!
Bring back DEEEEP Space!
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Hasikan Miallok
Republic University
Minmatar Republic
1177
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Posted - 2014.11.11 04:51:06 -
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Herzog Wolfhammer wrote:This is great! I don't even have to log in any more. Now I just pay a sub to shitpoast and troll all of you because I hate everybody. Grrrrrrr!
I didn't know anyone in GD actually played the game anymore. |
Slymah
Kabala Incorporated
247
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Posted - 2014.11.11 06:06:29 -
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What game?
wtf is a skill queue? |
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Herzog Wolfhammer
Sigma Special Tactics Group
5655
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Posted - 2014.11.11 20:11:52 -
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I think that given this is Veterans Day in the USA and the past problem of those working on military and more "global" jobs that result in AFK for months on end, this change comes at a perfect time.
If it was said that CCP did this for the players who are soldiers in RL, it would be believable and something to be thankful for.
Bring back DEEEEP Space!
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Hevymetal
Eve Defence Force
Cult of War
394
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Posted - 2014.11.11 21:52:45 -
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Herzog Wolfhammer wrote:I think that given this is Veterans Day in the USA and the past problem of those working on military and more "global" jobs that result in AFK for months on end, this change comes at a perfect time.
If it was said that CCP did this for the players who are soldiers in RL, it would be believable and something to be thankful for.
Regardless of the reasons and intentions for this change. I am happy they did it :)
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Yasique Gautier
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
1
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Posted - 2014.11.12 07:49:26 -
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+ they give unlimited skill training queue.
- they make high-sec mission run into low-sec
brilliant
time to quit |
13kr1d1
Hedion University
Amarr Empire
54
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Posted - 2014.11.12 17:02:44 -
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Tipa Riot wrote:I like the new queue very much ... if you next remove the learning implants from the game it would be even better.
LOL. I knew there'd be a slippery slope. The moment they got rid of learning skills, people wanted infiniqueue. Now that's done, people want no more learning implants. I was telling people this before this inifiniqueue even took off, that people continually want more to make the game easier, rather than loving the game they chose to play and I was right.
At 5 drones of T2, the Tristan is nearly as powerful as the Algos, with a cheaper price tag, better maneuverability and speed, and smaller sig radius to avoid the lazy carebearish T3 station blapping -10s who have no life. Pick tristan for FW.
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