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Xentos White
Purgatory Inc. Grumpy Oldmen
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Posted - 2014.11.05 05:28:23 -
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When it comes to cost VS effectiveness I am very unsure about whether or not to use a Drake Or a Sac for small gang pvp. The sac is faster, can fit a med neut, lower sig radius.. but costs much more than a drake with a bit less dps. Anyone out there fly a Sac and can give me some advice and/or pointers or should I just stick with drakes?
Drake fit: http://oi61.tinypic.com/5cd7v9.jpg
Sacrilege fit: http://oi62.tinypic.com/10ehcn5.jpg |
Waffle Nips
Pator Tech School Minmatar Republic
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Posted - 2014.11.05 07:20:25 -
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Xentos White wrote:When it comes to cost VS effectiveness I am very unsure about whether or not to use a Drake Or a Sac for small gang pvp. The sac is faster, can fit a med neut, lower sig radius.. but costs much more than a drake with a bit less dps. Anyone out there fly a Sac and can give me some advice and/or pointers or should I just stick with drakes? Drake fit: http://oi61.tinypic.com/5cd7v9.jpg Sacrilege fit: http://oi62.tinypic.com/10ehcn5.jpg
small gang id go with insurable ship that can kite sac is meant to be in fleet with logi and just sit there and tank dmg drake can be a bit more survivable as you can stay at range and use more kity tactics but at end of day it's a bc and in small gang you could be one that is left behind... small gang i say just stick to t1 cruisers |
Luwc
Confederation of Independent Contractors Swamphole
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Posted - 2014.11.05 08:52:28 -
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get drake.
fit 2nd extender drop one bcu for power diagnostic.
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Ralph King-Griffin
Lords.Of.Midnight The Devil's Warrior Alliance
6432
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Posted - 2014.11.05 11:01:24 -
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http://evedarklord.blogspot.ca/2014/01/sexy-times-pleasure-sac.html
i fly this when im not in my legion and its good
"I'm also quite confident that you are laughing
and it's the kind of laugh that gives normal people shivers."
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Xylem Viliana
Protomonolithic
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Posted - 2014.11.06 12:16:33 -
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Ralph King-Griffin wrote:http://evedarklord.blogspot.ca/2014/01/sexy-times-pleasure-sac.html i fly this when im not in my legion and its good
Just as a note when EFT fittings, I didnt see his pod on the killmails from that time, so you dont want a large hybrid wiring in slot 10 as it adds nothing to the fit.
Having said that that Sacr is very nice, I do love my blasters over missiles but i should have a look at that see if its still viable almost 12 months later. |
Adam Zalonis
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2014.11.06 15:10:40 -
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The Cyclone is a good compromise along these lines as well. It's a tad faster than the Drake, can fit an XL ASB(which its hull bonus helps make quite effective,) has two utility highs, and like the Drake can fit a MMJD for mobility. It also costs a bit less than the Drake, usually. Its Dps is a bit less than the Drake if fitted only with HAMs, but that's the same trade-off you were already looking at.
I know it's a bit off the question you asked, but it might be something to think about if you got free Minmatar BC skill from last year's ship skill revamp. |
Ralph King-Griffin
Lords.Of.Midnight The Devil's Warrior Alliance
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Posted - 2014.11.06 16:16:56 -
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Adam Zalonis wrote:The Cyclone is a good compromise along these lines as well. It's a tad faster than the Drake, can fit an XL ASB(which its hull bonus helps make quite effective,) has two utility highs, and like the Drake can fit a MMJD for mobility. It also costs a bit less than the Drake, usually. Its Dps is a bit less than the Drake if fitted only with HAMs, but that's the same trade-off you were already looking at.
I know it's a bit off the question you asked, but it might be something to think about if you got free Minmatar BC skill from last year's ship skill revamp.
iv acually developed a bit of curiosity with the Cyclone as of the other night. one of my corpmates snagged one in an ishkur while it was missioning so it was pve fit, but mother of jeasus could it tank. he was using our standard fit (see below) and he couldn't crack it. not for lack of effort either, there were three of us bringing him cap boosters and ammo and abandoning drones to keep him going (none of our logi pilots were online) but after 25 minuets as he was burning over to scoop a drone the Cyclone pilot saw his chance and burned in the opposite direction and got out of point range.
so yes im currently training up shields and Mini Bc
[Ishkur, Bear Flipping Ishkur] Adaptive Nano Plating II Damage Control II Magnetic Field Stabilizer II Small Armor Repairer II
1MN Afterburner II Warp Scrambler II Small Capacitor Booster II,Navy Cap Booster 150
Small Unstable Power Fluctuator I Light Ion Blaster II,Void S Light Ion Blaster II,Void S Light Ion Blaster II,Void S
Small Ancillary Current Router II Small Anti-Explosive Pump II
Hobgoblin II Worrior II
"I'm also quite confident that you are laughing
and it's the kind of laugh that gives normal people shivers."
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Xentos White
Purgatory Inc. Grumpy Oldmen
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Posted - 2014.11.06 18:10:26 -
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Yeah I been looking at the Cyclone as well, might give it a test run and see how I like it. |
Dato Koppla
Elite Guards
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Posted - 2014.11.07 05:01:17 -
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[Cyclone, Mission Flip]
Internal Force Field Array I Reactor Control Unit II Ballistic Control System II Ballistic Control System II Ballistic Control System II
10MN Afterburner II Dread Guristas X-Large Shield Booster Medium Electrochemical Capacitor Booster I, Navy Cap Booster 800 Medium Electrochemical Capacitor Booster I, Navy Cap Booster 800 Faint Epsilon Warp Scrambler I
Heavy Assault Missile Launcher II, Inferno Rage Heavy Assault Missile Heavy Assault Missile Launcher II, Inferno Rage Heavy Assault Missile Heavy Assault Missile Launcher II, Inferno Rage Heavy Assault Missile Heavy Assault Missile Launcher II, Inferno Rage Heavy Assault Missile Heavy Assault Missile Launcher II, Inferno Rage Heavy Assault Missile Medium Unstable Power Fluctuator I Medium Unstable Power Fluctuator I
Medium Anti-Thermal Screen Reinforcer II Medium Anti-EM Screen Reinforcer II Medium Ancillary Current Router I
Hammerhead II x5
You could use something like this. You only get around 540dps tank without links, but with links and HG crystals you can get 1400dps tank with 2 medium neuts. Does around 600dps without any implants or heat. It's highly dependant on cap boosters and you will run out of cap boosters quite fast with 2 cap boosters, but if you can have people drop off more cap boosters for you then it would be amazing. However it would be alot harder to get aggression from carebears in a Cyclone than it would an Ishkur. |
Ralph King-Griffin
Lords.Of.Midnight The Devil's Warrior Alliance
6499
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Posted - 2014.11.07 14:41:06 -
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Hmmm, nice fit. Love the neuts. I'll look into that.
"I'm also quite confident that you are laughing
and it's the kind of laugh that gives normal people shivers."
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Arcos Vandymion
White Beast Inc.
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Posted - 2014.11.08 15:15:19 -
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Random guess would be that the Ishkur was stuck on the T1 shield resists (making it's blasters relatively worseless, Hobs and Hornets as well) even before tanking mods (which I guess where not anti-Guristas or Serpentis otherwise I'd have to ask what in the world your corpy was thinking engaging that with a Kin/Th boat) and the active tanking bonus. Mad right? Active tanking boni...
That said people new to missioning usually overtank their ships so that might've been it as well.
Back to topic - for small gang probably the Drake or potentially the Cyclone if you insist on missiles. |
Ralph King-Griffin
Lords.Of.Midnight The Devil's Warrior Alliance
6573
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Posted - 2014.11.08 15:54:55 -
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actually he was asb fit and full of cap boosters so the shields were dropping but he had more than enough charges to lol at the ishkur for ages.
"I'm also quite confident that you are laughing
and it's the kind of laugh that gives normal people shivers."
=]I[=
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