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Posted - 2014.11.06 22:54:23 -
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Indahmawar Fazmarai wrote:...and CCP Despair Clock reached 10:45 PM. You just think every good change is a desperate attempt to improve subscriptions.
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Posted - 2014.11.06 22:56:30 -
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Adrie Atticus wrote:Taking bets on which isk sink is going to increase in magnitude now that clone costs are gone. Probably none. They've increased several ISK faucets recently (T2/T3 insurance, low end blue loot) and clone costs were an extremely small ISK sink...
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Posted - 2014.11.07 01:12:50 -
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Ama Scelesta wrote:Easy to fix. Allow local clone jumps with no cooldown. Allows you to leave your clone with unwanted implants at home whenever you need to go out, but don't want to take advantage/risk them. This needs to happen, I think I remember CCP saying they were open to it.
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Posted - 2014.11.07 03:41:49 -
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Cpt Lift-Leg Ahab wrote:i missed the episode is there a way that i can watch a recording? http://www.twitch.tv/ccp/b/585962541
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Posted - 2014.11.07 07:24:20 -
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Char Aznobel wrote:I wonder if this will also affect the use of T3 cruisers... T3 cruisers will still incur SP loss on death, if that's what you're asking.
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Posted - 2014.11.07 10:14:55 -
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Indahmawar Fazmarai wrote:Primary This Rifter wrote:Indahmawar Fazmarai wrote:...and CCP Despair Clock reached 10:45 PM. You just think every good change is a desperate attempt to improve subscriptions. I didn't said that it was a bad change. It's a good change, actually, and probably will achieve the intended goal. I never said that you said it was a bad change. I was specifically referring to the motivations you ascribe to CCP.
Indahmawar Fazmarai wrote:That doesn't changes that CCP is removing a risk without modifying the rewards, though. They're removing a tax, really. The only risk was against those who were forgetful, which is really not a good game mechanic.
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Posted - 2014.11.07 18:15:38 -
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Steve Ronuken wrote:Ruskarn Andedare wrote:Glomps wrote:Clone costs have always been meaningless and it's implants that cause players to stay docked. This change does almost nothing and they should have looked at removing learning implants instead. It's not only the cost though, it's the remembering. It's also the management of that cost vs the benefit. You can jump to a implantless (or light) clone. You can't reduce your medical clone cost. Anyone that argues against this point is being a pedant and nothing less. Yes, there is technically an alternative, but it's not one that anyone considers acceptable, so it may as well not even be a choice.
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Posted - 2014.11.07 18:17:19 -
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Gregor Parud wrote:It's almost as if some dev who kept klinging (and for good reason) to the old EVE, the good EVE, left and now all the carebare fcks have taken over. We'll have raids, and mounts and pandas. "I liked having a stupid tax in my game and I think this somehow made it 1337."
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Posted - 2014.11.07 19:34:48 -
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Gregor Parud wrote:It's an isk sink, which is needed. A minor sink that can be compensated for in other ways. If CCP were concerned about the balance of sinks versus faucets they wouldn't have been steadily increasing ISK faucets as of late.
Gregor Parud wrote:Also, just because you want things easy doesn't mean it's good. You know, easy blues, easy farming, easy RMT, easy ganks. Med clones and SP loss wasn't hard. It was just dumb. Removing it doesn't really make the game any easier.
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Posted - 2014.11.07 19:35:41 -
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"Oh I got podded should I upgrade my clone or not I can't decide this game is so hard" said nobody ever.
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Posted - 2014.11.07 20:39:13 -
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Trin Javidan wrote:So a CCP developer is handing out new information, on a "third party" website before EVE-O forums? And to be active on that particular website, you need to pay a member fee aswell? Yes, this was part of their Twitch broadcast. You don't need an account to watch them, and basic accounts are free.
There's no issue here whatsoever.
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Posted - 2014.11.07 20:45:18 -
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Press Z when you die or you lose skillpoints. It's a great mechanic guys, it makes the game harder.
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Posted - 2014.11.07 20:47:10 -
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You can't be serious.
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Posted - 2014.11.08 12:36:20 -
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Gregor Parud wrote:It's the same clowns asking for the same things; "make it easier, make it take less effort because that's better somehow". Yeah, because clicking through a menu that upgrades my clone when I die qualifies as effort and not busywork with a tax.
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Posted - 2014.11.08 20:42:45 -
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March rabbit wrote:Primary This Rifter wrote:Gregor Parud wrote:It's the same clowns asking for the same things; "make it easier, make it take less effort because that's better somehow". Yeah, because clicking through a menu that upgrades my clone when I die qualifies as effort and not busywork with a tax. when you buy stuff on market - this is busywork when you fit your ships - this is busywork ..... let's remove it all? No, buying stuff on the market and fitting ships is not busywork. It involves complex tradeoffs, decisions, interactions between players, and requires a certain level of thought and planning. Clone upgrades involve none of these things. There's never any confusion about which clone to buy unless you're a newbie and didn't take two seconds to ask. There's never a compelling reason not to upgrade your clone.
It's literally "I just died, here's a few extra clicks I have to do that I could do in my sleep" and the fact that you or anyone else is defending the mechanic because you think it adds risk or complexity is laughable.
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Posted - 2014.11.08 22:16:56 -
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Mharius Skjem wrote:I'm not aware of an alliance that pays for clones. Okay... What's to stop them from doing so?
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Posted - 2014.11.08 22:37:01 -
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Mharius Skjem wrote:Man you'll forgive my scepticism, but I know a lot of good people in the GSF and they all get srp for flying doctrine ships on sanctioned ops. There's your clue as to why he doesn't get SRP. At least not full. He'd still qualify for peacetime, but that has a monthly cap and he'd still have to ask for it. Some people don't.
Mharius Skjem wrote:Primary This Rifter wrote:Mharius Skjem wrote:I'm not aware of an alliance that pays for clones. Okay... What's to stop them from doing so? Agreed, haven't heard of one that does. Some offer srp on official ops, with the proviso that you take out insurance to pay for the modules etc. My point is, your argument against removing clone costs being the only thing that can hurt a member of an SRP alliance when they die isn't really valid considering that we could easily just mitigate that ourselves by paying it out for our members. The reason we don't is probably a combination of having to do API checks to determine how much to pay (which is a pain in the ass even with spreadsheets), and the fact that for most of our members the clone costs aren't so high that it really hurts that much to begin with.
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Posted - 2014.11.08 23:27:49 -
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I don't think they're terribly worried about that. There aren't many 200+ million SP players.
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Posted - 2014.11.09 22:31:58 -
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Lelith Hellebron wrote:"First, they came for the learning skills, and we rejoiced, because they told us everyone hated the learning skills, right?"
"Then, they came for the MedClones, and we rejoiced, because MedClones R hard, and I didn't have to put up with any crap like that in WoW. Mirite gais!?"
"Finally, when they came to compress all skills into 3 months of training and make all items trivial to produce because market research showed that those changes might improve new/low dedication player retention, we looked up from the wreckage of our own acquiescence in the name of 'easier for me', and realized it was far too late to save this game that we had so loved..."
To CCP: The people do not know what they want when it comes to difficulty. They think they do - and will squawk endlessly about it - but many children think they want ice cream for dinner every night, and will pitch a fit over that, too. What the people who play EVE (as opposed to other, less substantive MMO's) really want, whether they are insightful enough to recognize it or not, is to play a Massive Multiplayer Game on Stupidly-****ing-Hard mode, so that if and when they accomplish something, it's actually worth bragging about.
I hope, for the sake of its own already outstanding longevity, that EVE continues to distinguish itself from the bloated brand of games which coddle every player. Games in which nobody stands out because everyone is led by the nose to the same rewards and accomplishments through the same pseudo-challenges. "Ccp pls make me press buttons and punish me if I don't."
You'd make an excellent sub.
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Posted - 2014.11.09 22:33:31 -
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Mr Epeen wrote:Can I finally suggest that CCP allow us to delete skills, now? Without people like Tippi getting up my ass about how unfair it would be to reduce the clone replacement cost. Because I can't stand looking at that stupid mining skill that I was stuck with at character creation. No replacement cost = No need to keep skills you don't want. To be clear. I'm not asking for respec, bank or ISK . Just let me delete the damn things if I want. Mr Epeen Well I'd say a broken clock is right twice a day but this is rarer.
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Posted - 2014.11.10 00:05:33 -
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Yeah because people don't already ask to get podded back to staging.
Let's be realistic here, the chances of your pod making it back successfully aren't really that great anyway. This doesn't change much.
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