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Mr Xofar Minmatar	Posted - 2006.08.25 17:05:00 - [1] Edited by: Mr Xofar on 25/08/2006 17:12:16 I've already petitioned this, but I just want to know if anyone else has experienced this. I'm mining pyrox for almost an hour in my Retriever and just as I fill the last bit of pyrox in my jetcan a Minmatar Shuttle appears from warp, right on top of my jetcan. The first thing I think to myself is "Self, how much can a shuttle POSSIBLY steal from me?" The second thing I think is, "How the hell did this shuttle just come out of warp right on my can?" (The only thing I can think of is a cloaked ship patiently making an insta to my jetcan while I mine.) Well knowing that a shuttle can only carry 10m3 of cargo, I figured, what the heck, let'em go for it. I won't even kill the pilferer with my 4 drones. So I say, in local, "Hello there?" And poof, my jet can implodes from being empty. So, naturally, I immediately target the little thief (2 day old WU WU) and send my drones in for the kill. But unfortunately, shuttles hit warp just a little too fast. So, anyway, can anyone explain to me how a 10m3 shuttle can cram 27,500m3 of pyrox into its cargo bay? And, if this has been known for ANY amount of time, has CCP made any attempts to fix it? EDIT: And OBTW, I know the dangers of jetcan mining, THIS shouldn't be one of them. If a cloaked ship DID insta my jetcan and then a couple indy's (or a freighter) warped in on top of it then took my ore, then fine, np, I can live with that. But a shuttle? I don't think so. [---------------------------------------------] Incompetent
Slaaght Bana Minmatar	Posted - 2006.08.25 17:25:00 - [2] Is this a possibility? Shuttle made his own can maybe 1499m on the other side away from you then dragged your ore over into it, causing yours to pop? Hauler de-cloaks while you are ****ed off and looking at the shuttle and scoops the contents of that can, then re-cloaks. I'm pushing my luck there but this is like one of those Agatha Christie whodunnits!
Algey ISS Navy Task Force Interstellar Starbase Syndicate	Posted - 2006.08.25 17:26:00 - [3] Did the shuttle release another jetcan, and move your ore from your can into his?
Minotaurian	Posted - 2006.08.25 17:30:00 - [4] They probably jetted their own can and moved your ore to it, hoping you'd shoot at them (or steal it back) to get flagged so they can come in with a combat ship to get blasted. To be honest you are probably lucky you didn't lose your barge as well as your ore. And you're probably right on about the cloaked ship, if you didn't see anyone else at all in the belt. P.S. freighters can't take or put anything into jetcans.
Kitchi Minmatar	Posted - 2006.08.25 17:36:00 - [5] I wouldn't be surprised if the shuttle pilot just made another jet can and draged your goods into it. Then their main can just steal from their alt's can without any reprocusions. If this is all doable (I'm pretty sure it is) Then this is a fine exploit of the can theifery (sp?) system. Me thinks you can only move as much m3 from one can to another as your ship can hold. Thus, with some patience, you can transfer a full can into another can, but this sorta exploitation is out of the question.
Pairadice	Posted - 2006.08.25 17:51:00 - [6] Quote: Me thinks you can only move as much m3 from one can to another as your ship can hold. Thus, with some patience, you can transfer a full can into another can, but this sorta exploitation is out of the question. Wrong, you can move a whole can over all at once no matter how much space your ship has.
Tristan Acoma Caldari The Eleventh Commandment	Posted - 2006.08.25 17:51:00 - [7] Not an exploit - 'nuff said. Don't like it? Use secure jetcans.
Mr Xofar Minmatar	Posted - 2006.08.25 18:03:00 - [8] Originally by: Tristan Acoma Not an exploit - 'nuff said. Don't like it? Use secure jetcans. Always gotta be one in the bunch to be punchy about things. But your right, as everyone else is. I've 'been had' apparently. Oh well, as long as it's within the mechanics of the game I, could care less. One theft < 100+ sucessfull hauls. I'd say I'm still ahead. And I'll continue to jetcan mine thank you. 3900m3 is a joke. [---------------------------------------------] Incompetent
Bhaal Minmatar M. Corp Lotka Volterra	Posted - 2006.08.25 18:05:00 - [9] Edited by: Bhaal on 25/08/2006 18:05:24 Originally by: Tristan Acoma Not an exploit - 'nuff said. Don't like it? Use secure jetcans. Too bad they are not big enough... If they were, more ppl would... ------------------------------------------------ Current Hobby other than EVE My Hero
Slaaght Bana Minmatar	Posted - 2006.08.25 18:09:00 - [10] Shame you can't drop a few sec cans down next to each other and use some kind of Deep Space Welding skill to whack them all together!
Bhaal Minmatar M. Corp Lotka Volterra	Posted - 2006.08.25 18:10:00 - [11] Edited by: Bhaal on 25/08/2006 18:12:20 Originally by: Slaaght Bana Shame you can't drop a few sec cans down next to each other and use some kind of Deep Space Welding skill to whack them all together! Shame the DEV's don't care about mining.... That's really the root cause of all of this... Mining is mostly only performed by macro miners and farmers these days anyways (who deserve to get stuff stolen)... Maybe they should have paid more attention to it from the get go like I and many others have been saying for 3 years... ------------------------------------------------ Current Hobby other than EVE My Hero
Jackkal Order of Melekel	Posted - 2006.08.25 18:10:00 - [12] i guess eve is going to have to do what they did in earth and beyond. A can could only be looted by gang or corp members. If you were not a meber of either of those the can was locked for a x amount of time. After the time limit it was free to anyone.
Slaaght Bana Minmatar	Posted - 2006.08.25 18:20:00 - [13] The only thing I can think of is a cloaked ship patiently making an insta to my jetcan while I mine By the way mate, there's not even a need for an insta. Here's how it could have gone down: 1) 2 ganged ships sit at planet and scan belt, and find you 2) Cov ops warps in, and flies 15km in a line past your can 3) Gang member "warp withing 15km of gang member" However, thinking about this, that seems like a lot of trouble for a straightforward ore snatch in high sec. Especially if you didn't have a hauler nearby to snatch it up before they got it it. Why go to that trouble when there's not much you could have done whether it takes 3 or 30 seconds for them to travel to your can? You were perhaps just unluckily mining 15km before their warp in point or similar.
Basileus	Posted - 2006.08.25 18:27:00 - [14] The OP is clogging the petition queue with unnecessary petitions.
Tristan Acoma Caldari The Eleventh Commandment	Posted - 2006.08.25 18:43:00 - [15] Originally by: Bhaal Edited by: Bhaal on 25/08/2006 18:05:24 Originally by: Tristan Acoma Not an exploit - 'nuff said. Don't like it? Use secure jetcans. Too bad they are not big enough... If they were, more ppl would... Possibly - but miners don't get the "i-win" button either :-P It's not as if he couldn't have gotten a corpmate in a moderatly equipped cruiser to help out, etc, etc. Just steal the ore back and have a big ship about if you want the convienance of more space in a can than all but the best fitted Iteron V can hold. In short, suck it up! :)
Tristan Acoma Caldari The Eleventh Commandment	Posted - 2006.08.25 18:45:00 - [16] Originally by: Minotaurian They probably jetted their own can and moved your ore to it, hoping you'd shoot at them (or steal it back) to get flagged so they can come in with a combat ship to get blasted. To be honest you are probably lucky you didn't lose your barge as well as your ore. And you're probably right on about the cloaked ship, if you didn't see anyone else at all in the belt. P.S. freighters can't take or put anything into jetcans. Nah - someone jumped in some time before and BMed an asteroid opposite you on a vector from a station, planet, moon, etc. Not all that hard to do.
Maya Rkell Forsaken Empire	Posted - 2006.08.25 19:10:00 - [17] Originally by: Mr Xofar <stuff> So you just grabbed your ore back from his jetcan, right?
LUGAL MOP'N'GLO	Posted - 2006.08.25 19:17:00 - [18] I'd like to know who took the ore from the theifs jetcan... You got your stuff stolen by a 2 day old character and didn't take it back? Why not? Biggest thing he could be flying is a frig (Your covetor could tank that).
FatChance Defenders of Order	Posted - 2006.08.25 19:26:00 - [19] This brings up an excellent point. What about people in your gang? If someone steals from your can, can anyone in the gang seek revenge? Or only the owner agress?
End Yourself Core Domination	Posted - 2006.08.25 19:29:00 - [20] just curious WHY should someone doing this need an insta to the can at all?!? --- Fighting for peace is like screwing for virginity.
Slaaght Bana Minmatar	Posted - 2006.08.25 19:30:00 - [21] I believe he will be criminally flagged to your corps but not your gang.
Mr Xofar Minmatar	Posted - 2006.08.25 19:53:00 - [22] Originally by: Basileus The OP is clogging the petition queue with unnecessary petitions. No really, thanks for the help. I mean really, what an assinine remark. If I feel somehting needs to be petitioned, I will. That's what it's there for. I asked local, nobody knew the answer. What would you have me do, fly from system to system util I find the answer I'm looking for? That would be about as moronic as your comment. No, Maya, I don't recall seeing a jetcan. If I did though, I think I may have opened a whole new bag of worms by taking it back, because I'm sure the person was working with another pilot, or gang of pilots. My 4 light scout drones couldn't have handled much I'm sure. I think it was a cloaked hauler, who knows? Point is, I got robbed. And again, no big deal really as long as it was within the mechanics of the game. What I saw and what actually happened are likely not one in the same. I SAW a shuttle warp to my can. It was the ONLY ship I could SEE. My can went boom a few seconds later. She left. Quite flawless operation I might add. And that was the end of it. 1 loss in a hundred hauls. Who cares? I've wasted more time talking about on the chats cahnnels and the forum than I did mining the ore to begin with , [---------------------------------------------] Incompetent
Wei duGuifierre Gallente Elite United Corp Antigo Dominion	Posted - 2006.08.25 20:08:00 - [23] Yeah, if you didn't see a jetcan of his own popping up into space, then it does sound rather wierd. But hey, at least he wasn't doing the jetcan bait-and-switch in a frig, and then blowing up his own can out of spite. All that good ore, gone to waste.......sniff __________________________ I am the most heterosexual Commander Sulu you will ever meet.
Obodi	Posted - 2006.08.25 20:11:00 - [24] I had a fun experience with this last night... I was mining ice (several accounts, barges of various types), and a caracal warped into system and slowboated it over to my can. Can goes poof, caracal goes flashing red to all of my accounts, my drones go to work, and shortly I have a killmail showing one caracal taken out by a retriever with a tech 1 Acolyte making the final blow. It was the most fun I've had mining in years.
LUGAL MOP'N'GLO	Posted - 2006.08.25 20:14:00 - [25] Originally by: FatChance This brings up an excellent point. What about people in your gang? If someone steals from your can, can anyone in the gang seek revenge? Or only the owner agress? Only the owner... Gangs ONLY affect whether or not you can take gang members cans and of course 'warp to'. Other than that you're on your own. Only player corp can change that.
LUGAL MOP'N'GLO	Posted - 2006.08.25 20:16:00 - [26] Originally by: Obodi I had a fun experience with this last night... I was mining ice (several accounts, barges of various types), and a caracal warped into system and slowboated it over to my can. Can goes poof, caracal goes flashing red to all of my accounts, my drones go to work, and shortly I have a killmail showing one caracal taken out by a retriever with a tech 1 Acolyte making the final blow. It was the most fun I've had mining in years. You know... That just sounded really really sad.
stoats girl	Posted - 2006.08.25 20:23:00 - [27] This thread makes me want to whip out the battlebadger.
Ishi Mua	Posted - 2006.08.25 20:29:00 - [28] I've read all of this, and is there an answer on HOW it happened? Was the shuttle there to pretend to steal while something else was cloaked and stealing?
LUGAL MOP'N'GLO	Posted - 2006.08.25 21:04:00 - [29] Shuttle came close to his can and dropped a can, transferred contents of OP's can into his can and warped off. OP ran after shuttle and theif's friend in hauler came in and scooped up can when OP was gone. Something like that...
LUGAL MOP'N'GLO	Posted - 2006.08.25 21:20:00 - [30] Although I've never tried... No. You would be within 'blowing your cover range' of a moving object (the OP's ship as well as the can).
Gretchen Dawntreader Minmatar Brutor tribe	Posted - 2006.08.25 21:50:00 - [31] yeah your cloak drops if you get within a certain distance of anything. (Farther than can fiddling distance)
Slaaght Bana Minmatar	Posted - 2006.08.26 01:05:00 - [32] Cloak drops at 2000m from object, can scoop range is 1500m from can. Shame, it's be fun.

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