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Heloise ChateauBriande
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Posted - 2006.08.25 21:42:00 -
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It is easy to understand why most choose to shield tank Ravens... I'm not going to argue that this isn't the optimal, preferred or *best* choice. However if you used the midslots for cap recharge you might be able to get a pretty durable armor tank going with the 5 low slots. I haven't taken step one toward making this happen... but I'm considering this and I want to know if anyone else has done this. Seems viable to me if not optimal.
In terms of damage the BCS in the lows would be sorely missed but you perhaps target painters could help compensate.
Anyone actually tried this? What was your build and how did it perform?
- Helo
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tiller
Beer and Kebabs
Pirate Coalition
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Posted - 2006.08.25 21:44:00 -
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I used to gate camp in one just to target haulers. 3 sensor boosters and 3 faction disrupts in mids. Could even take out lightly armed nubs in bs if you were lucky solo...
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inSpirAcy
Caldari
The Solopwnmobiles
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Posted - 2006.08.25 22:00:00 -
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Who needs a durable armor tank when you can just slap a lot of ECM in the mids? 
(which is the main reason for armor tanked Ravens, which aren't as uncommon as you might think)
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Heloise ChateauBriande
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Posted - 2006.08.25 22:21:00 -
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I can definately see going PVP with it and using the mids for electronic warfare. You would get the advantages (over the scorpion) of 6 launchers in addition to the ECM but that was not exactly what I had in mind...
I was specifically thinking of a PVE build using the mids mostly for cap generation and the lows for tanking. I've been running level 4 missions with a shield-tanked raven and am doing fine but my tank is not sustainable and probably won't be unless I get some gistii mods. I don't really want to go that route. I was thinking to try armor tanking because it is a bit more cap efficient and I wondered whether I could get a good strong T2 armor tank on the raven.
Thanks for the good responses. Keep them coming! ;)
- Helo
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slothe
Caldari
Forsaken Empire
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Posted - 2006.08.25 22:24:00 -
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i always armour tank ravens. mids shouldnt be used for tanks imho, even cyclones
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NickWest
Coal Chute Candy Commandos
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Posted - 2006.08.25 23:34:00 -
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I've heard of Ravens running level 4 missions with their mids full of CPR2 and then a full tank in the lows. Not sure if they use a BCS though, I would imagine you could if you just used 2 specific and 1 EANM hardeners and a LARII.
But that's not cheap either, so it might be best going with Gistii mods. Armor tanked ravens or stabs+BCS+ECM ravens are viable in PvP.
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Duban Banned
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Posted - 2006.08.25 23:38:00 -
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 Originally by: inSpirAcy
Who needs a durable armor tank when you can just slap a lot of ECM in the mids?
(which is the main reason for armor tanked Ravens, which aren't as uncommon as you might think)
agreed
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Randay
0utbreak
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Posted - 2006.08.26 00:12:00 -
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Originally by: slothe
i always armour tank ravens. mids shouldnt be used for tanks imho, even cyclones
lol
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Nex Angelus
Caldari
Hypherians
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Posted - 2006.08.26 02:21:00 -
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Armour tanking Ravens is just a myth... Noone in their right mind would ever use it...
And forget about ECM that's just a worthless module not good for anything, NEVER ever use it, you'll just selfdestruct your ship in disappointment...
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Iota Belisarius
Procurare
Novus Ordos Seclorum
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Posted - 2006.08.26 02:49:00 -
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Originally by: Nex Angelus
Armour tanking Ravens is just a myth... Noone in their right mind would ever use it...
And forget about ECM that's just a worthless module not good for anything, NEVER ever use it, you'll just selfdestruct your ship in disappointment...
Drugs are bad mmkay?
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Decairn
Caldari
Shinra
Lotka Volterra
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Posted - 2006.08.26 03:36:00 -
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Against blood raiders armor tanked raven is more efficient due to base 0% shield EM damage.
Something along these lines works:
hi cruises and 2X med guns (ormix of torp/cruise if you can fit to take BS down easier)
med - 6X cap recharger
low - 2X L armour reps (accom) 2X hardners 1X cap relay
--Decairn
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Mr Peanut
The New Empire
R i s e
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Posted - 2006.08.26 03:40:00 -
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Originally by: Iota Belisarius
Originally by: Nex Angelus
Armour tanking Ravens is just a myth... Noone in their right mind would ever use it...
And forget about ECM that's just a worthless module not good for anything, NEVER ever use it, you'll just selfdestruct your ship in disappointment...
Drugs are bad mmkay?
I'm trying to decide if he's being sarcastic or not. I assume the answer is yes.
OP: If you armor tank a raven, that clears up a lot of mids. The flavor of the month would be a target painter, (maybe) a webber or AB and the rest ECM. However, this seems semi-redundant to me because all that ECM functions as a decent tank, so the armor is just overkill. That is why many ravens favor ECM tank and BCS/PDS in the lows. Maybe a slight armor tank with 2 BCS would suit you better? (...although that's a ton of CPU. I doubt it would fit once you factor in all the mids)
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Xianthar
Sha Kharn Corp
Ascendant Frontier
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Posted - 2006.08.26 05:22:00 -
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for the raven:
PvE - Shield tank
PvP - armor tank - use mid for damps/ecm
-xian
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Gamesguy
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Posted - 2006.08.26 10:08:00 -
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Edited by: Gamesguy on 26/08/2006 10:08:54
Originally by: Heloise ChateauBriande
I've been running level 4 missions with a shield-tanked raven and am doing fine but my tank is not sustainable and probably won't be unless I get some gistii mods.
If you're having problems with cap, throw in a cap injector, and before every mission use an industrial to drop off a load of 800s at the warp in point.
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Mr Bondy
Regeneration
Axiom Empire
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Posted - 2006.08.26 11:16:00 -
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Against sansha/blood its far more efficient to armor tank 
I remember people useing something like the following...
Launchers
5 cap rechargers
2 large reps 3 hardeners
Best of luck - (Probably not good for missions hehe)
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Heloise ChateauBriande
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Posted - 2006.08.26 17:20:00 -
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Thanks for all the responses. I had never heard the phrase "ECM tank" before but I can totally see it. Also I was not aware that the armor tanked raven was so common but the builds on offered look like good ones.
- Helo
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LeMoose
The Collective
Against ALL Authorities
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Posted - 2006.08.26 17:25:00 -
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to fight sansha 6/10 complexes that is
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LeMoose
The Collective
Against ALL Authorities
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Posted - 2006.08.26 17:25:00 -
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a raven with 2x best sansha deadspace medium reppers, corpum atype i think it was,
2x xtype em hards 1x xtype thermic and ab in meds, maybe one or two cap rechargers and rest various duicy stuff and sieges in sieges does pwn 
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LeMoose
The Collective
Against ALL Authorities
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Posted - 2006.08.26 17:26:00 -
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Edited by: LeMoose on 26/08/2006 17:26:36
baah double post
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Deja Thoris
Contraband Inc.
Mercenary Coalition
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Posted - 2006.08.26 17:32:00 -
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Edited by: Deja Thoris on 26/08/2006 17:32:05
Originally by: Iota Belisarius
Originally by: Nex Angelus
Armour tanking Ravens is just a myth... Noone in their right mind would ever use it...
And forget about ECM that's just a worthless module not good for anything, NEVER ever use it, you'll just selfdestruct your ship in disappointment...
Drugs are bad mmkay?
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