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Mitsukami
School of Applied Knowledge Caldari State
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Posted - 2011.11.27 12:51:00 -
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Ok, so even though I've played for years I've never really dipped into scanning.
I run lvl 4 missions, I have orca and hulk alts and I want to start scanning down sites, Ideally grav sites but any just for fun.
I want to have a dedicated scanner ship as I will be doing within a coupel of jumps from my "home" system and flying back to switch ship.
What ship and skills would you guys recommend for easiest/fasting scanning abilities?
Many thanks guys. |
Nocturnal Avenger
Sebiestor Tribe Minmatar Republic
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Posted - 2011.11.27 12:58:00 -
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A ship with scanning bonus perhaps. Maybe even invest in scanning skills if you feel 1337 enough? |
Mitsukami
School of Applied Knowledge Caldari State
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Posted - 2011.11.27 13:04:00 -
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Well this is what I intend to do, I just dont know what skills will benefit the scanning.
Is a Heron the best choice or are there better choice? As ISK isn't really an issue. |
Alaik
Azure Exploration
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Posted - 2011.11.27 13:08:00 -
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Get Astrometrics 4, Astrometric Acquisition/Pinpointing/Rangefinding all to level 3. Get a heron, with level 3-4 in frigate. That's good enough to start.
You can then upgrade to level 4 Astrometric Acquisition/Pinpointing/Rangefinding, level 5 Astrometrics, and use a covops scanning ship as time allows / need dictates. |
Ammzi
Imperial Guardians Blazing Angels Alliance
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Posted - 2011.11.27 13:12:00 -
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If you're gonna be really pro about it. Get asometrics V and learn how to use deep space probes. quote CCP Spitfire
"Hello Im Blue,"
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St Mio
Imperial Academy Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2011.11.27 13:59:00 -
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Heron for highsec, Buzzard for low/null/WH, two Small Gravity Capacitor Upgrade I rigs, Sisters Core Scanner Probes
If you want to splash out a bit more, Sisters Core Probe Launcher, and Poteque Pharmaceuticals 'Prospector' implants (PPG for time, PPF for deviation, PPH for strength).
And if you plan on getting Astrometrics V: Deep Space Probe scanning guide |
Hypnagogia Ichinumi
Dreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore
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Posted - 2011.11.27 17:52:00 -
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For a ship, any covert ops or T1 equivalent will do. As mentioned, throw some Grav Cap. rigs on it. Edit: You'll need covops 4 to make the covops scan bonus better than the T1 equivalent ship.
As for skills, these are the core scanning ones: Astrometrtics - +1 probe per level, you want at least 5 probes and as mentioned, train it to V to use DPS's Astro. Pinpointing - Reduces scan deviation. Train this for more accurate results. Astro. Acquisition - Increases probe strength. This is a must. Astro. Rangefinding - makes your probes scan faster, not really necessary but its nice to have.
If you're sticking to highsec, you can probably skip the sisters stuff and implants if you want, as highsec sites are generally pretty easy to scan down. But more scan strength never hurts. |
Goose99
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
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Posted - 2011.11.27 18:34:00 -
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T3 with scanning subsystem. |
Takseen
University of Caille Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2011.11.27 18:53:00 -
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Goose99 wrote:T3 with scanning subsystem.
Seconding this. Its really easy to get the scanning bonus to 50%, and you won't have to swap back to a combat ship to actually run the site. If you've been playing for years the price shouldn't be a problem. |
DeMichael Crimson
Republic University Minmatar Republic
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Posted - 2011.11.28 00:52:00 -
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Hypnagogia Ichinumi wrote:For a ship, any covert ops or T1 equivalent will do. As mentioned, throw some Grav Cap. rigs on it. Edit: You'll need covops 4 to make the covops scan bonus better than the T1 equivalent ship.
As for skills, these are the core scanning ones: Astrometrtics - +1 probe per level, you want at least 5 probes and as mentioned, train it to V to use DPS's Astro. Pinpointing - Reduces scan deviation. Train this for more accurate results. Astro. Acquisition - Increases probe strength. This is a must. Astro. Rangefinding - makes your probes scan faster, not really necessary but its nice to have.
If you're sticking to highsec, you can probably skip the sisters stuff and implants if you want, as highsec sites are generally pretty easy to scan down. But more scan strength never hurts.
Good info.
However, the descriptions for Astro. Acquisition and Astro. Rangefinding should be switched.
Astro. Acquisition - makes your probes scan faster, not really necessary but its nice to have. http://wiki.eveonline.com/en/wiki/Astrometric_Acquisition Astro. Rangefinding - Increases probe strength. This is a must. http://wiki.eveonline.com/en/wiki/Astrometric_Rangefinding
To the OP,
T1 starter Frigate, Launcher and Probes reward gained from the Exploration Career agents is a good ship and can complete High Security Radar, Mag, very small Anomalies and the Hideout signatures.
T2 Covert Ops Frigates have great scan bonus but lack on defensive and offensive power. They are quick and can operate Covert Ops Cloaking modules. Best in a small gang fleet or switch ships for the higher level exploration sites.
T2 Force Recon Cruisers are an excellent 'Poor Mans' all in one exploration ship for doing High Security Exploration. They can complete all mid level exploration sites easily and can operate Covert Ops Cloaking modules for the last expedition stage in Low Security. No ship scan bonus so would be good idea to fit up 1 rig slot with T2 Gravity Capacitor Upgrade and use the other rig slot to improve the ships defensive tank.
T3 Strategic Cruisers are the top of the line all in one Exploration ship. With various sub systems fitted can just about go anywhere and tackle a lot of different sites. Best to have high skill levels and excellent fit up with these ships.
Check out the Exploration Career Agent, complete the mission series and try out exploration with the basic equipment they give. If you're just going to be looking for Grav sites, that'll do just fine for High Security Exploration. Only takes a few days to train up Level 3 and 4 exploration skills, fit up SoE equipment, rig up ship, maybe even get a Hardwiring implant for scanning, should have no problems getting 100% signature locks. If you do like Exploration, then start with a Force Recon Cruiser as your basic all in one high security exploration ship..
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Nalha Saldana
Eternity INC. Goonswarm Federation
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Posted - 2011.11.28 01:06:00 -
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For highest strength get a probing cov ops with 2 Small Gravity Capacitor Upgrade rigs, sisters probe launcher and sister probes. Even at cov ops level 3 its better then the t1 probing frigates because of its 10% skill bonus instead of frigates 5%. Its also better then the t3 for a simple reason: you wouldnt scan strength rig a t3. |
Terminal Entry
New Fnord Industries
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Posted - 2011.11.28 04:50:00 -
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DeMichael Crimson
Republic University Minmatar Republic
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Posted - 2011.11.28 19:00:00 -
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Terminal Entry wrote:Mitsukami wrote:Is a Heron the best choice or are there better choice? As ISK isn't really an issue. If isk isn't a problem, then hear is my all propose exploration ship. Scanning them down and running them. Tengu, Exploration Tengu Offensive - Accelerated Ejection Bay Tengu Propulsion - Intercalated Nanofibers Tengu Defensive - Adaptive Shielding Tengu Electronics - Emergent Locus Analyzer Tengu Engineering - Augmented Capacitor Reservoir Sisters Expanded Probe Launcher (Sisters Core Scanner Probe) Salvager II 5x Heavy Missile Launcher II (Caldari Navy Scourge Heavy Missile) Pithum C-Type Medium Shield Booster Corelum C-Type 10MN MicroWarpdrive Analyzer II Codebreaker II Pithum C-Type Magnetic Scattering Amplifier Pithum C-Type Kinetic Deflection Amplifier Damage Control II 2x Ballistic Control System II2x Medium Capacitor Control Circuit II Medium Capacitor Control Circuit I The set up here is for Guristas and Drones mainly. (Em: 67%, Ex: 67%, Kn: 90%, Th: 87%). No cloak at the moment so yes I'm just doing Highsec at the moment. Even so in the past I have found several Pithum C-Type Medium Shield Boosters (~350Mil) hence the reason I have one fitted Terminal.
Nice fit up.
Don't forget to upgrade the 2x Ballistic Control System II modules into Faction modules, like Dread Guristas or Caldari Navy. Get more DPS and use less CPU.
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Emperor Salazar
Dreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore
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Posted - 2011.11.28 20:10:00 -
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Terminal Entry wrote:Mitsukami wrote:Is a Heron the best choice or are there better choice? As ISK isn't really an issue. If isk isn't a problem, then hear is my all propose exploration ship. Scanning them down and running them. Tengu, Exploration Tengu Offensive - Accelerated Ejection Bay Tengu Propulsion - Intercalated Nanofibers Tengu Defensive - Adaptive Shielding Tengu Electronics - Emergent Locus Analyzer Tengu Engineering - Augmented Capacitor Reservoir Sisters Expanded Probe Launcher (Sisters Core Scanner Probe) Salvager II 5x Heavy Missile Launcher II (Caldari Navy Scourge Heavy Missile) Pithum C-Type Medium Shield Booster Corelum C-Type 10MN MicroWarpdrive Analyzer II Codebreaker II Pithum C-Type Magnetic Scattering Amplifier Pithum C-Type Kinetic Deflection Amplifier Damage Control II 2x Ballistic Control System II 2x Medium Capacitor Control Circuit II Medium Capacitor Control Circuit I The set up here is for Guristas and Drones mainly. (Em: 67%, Ex: 67%, Kn: 90%, Th: 87%). No cloak at the moment so yes I'm just doing Highsec at the moment. Even so in the past I have found several Pithum C-Type Medium Shield Boosters (~350Mil) hence the reason I have one fitted Terminal.
Drone and arch sites are literally useless (particularly true in high sec). I'd drop the mag and analyzer for target painters or something.
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Tau Cabalander
Retirement Retreat Working Stiffs
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Posted - 2011.11.28 21:19:00 -
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Emperor Salazar wrote:Drone and arch sites are literally useless (particularly true in high sec). I'd drop the mag and analyzer for target painters or something. Maybe better tomorrow.
Patch notes for EVE Online: Crucible wrote:Exploration and Deadspace* Anomalies have been re-balanced and their value has been increased slightly. Full details can be found in the dev blog Anomalies Revisited by CCP Greyscale. |
Terminal Entry
New Fnord Industries
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Posted - 2011.11.28 23:07:00 -
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DeMichael Crimson wrote:
Nice fit up.
Don't forget to upgrade the 2x Ballistic Control System II modules into Faction modules, like Dread Guristas or Caldari Navy. Get more DPS and use less CPU.
Thanks.
As for the extra DPS from having a faction Ballistic Control System, the ones you mention give a 2.5% bost each and I don't think the 100Mil each price tag to be worth it honestly. As it is I've sacrificed a Missile Launcher to fit a Salvager. I do see the CPU advantage but I already have 76 CPU free with this fit so that's not a problem. I could swap out all the faction stuff and put in T2 with out a problem if I wanted to.
Terminal. |
Terminal Entry
New Fnord Industries
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Posted - 2011.11.28 23:16:00 -
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Emperor Salazar wrote: Drone and arch sites are literally useless (particularly true in high sec). I'd drop the mag and analyzer for target painters or something.
I agree with you on the Drones and Archaeology sites as they stand now but after the patch today they may be better, here's hoping.
The OP was after a good ship/setup for exploration, the fit I posted was for a general Highsec, Caldari Space type sites. It can be easily customised to suit a particular style of Exploration, there is 76 CPU and 107 PG free to play around with.
Personally I like having the Magnetic Amp fitted, it helps with other players, the same reason I carry EM Missiles as well.
Terminal.
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Emperor Salazar
Dreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore
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Posted - 2011.11.29 20:08:00 -
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Tau Cabalander wrote:Emperor Salazar wrote:Drone and arch sites are literally useless (particularly true in high sec). I'd drop the mag and analyzer for target painters or something. Maybe better tomorrow.
I doubt high sec ones will be anything less than useless. Low sec and null? We'll see what they're dropping but again, I doubt it. Having sites drop things that are more readily available from other sources is a "durp, we have no idea what we're doing" idea. |
Blake Walan
Aliastra Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2011.11.30 00:31:00 -
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Neone have a good prot fit? With cloak |
Emperor Salazar
Dreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore
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Posted - 2011.11.30 00:33:00 -
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Blake Walan wrote:Neone have a good prot fit? With cloak
Posts yours and we'll tell you why its wrong. |
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Sindarial
True Power Team
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Posted - 2011.11.30 03:43:00 -
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Nalha Saldana wrote:For highest strength get a probing cov ops with 2 Small Gravity Capacitor Upgrade rigs, sisters probe launcher and sister probes. Even at cov ops level 3 its better then the t1 probing frigates because of its 10% skill bonus instead of frigates 5%. Its also better then the t3 for a simple reason: you wouldnt scan strength rig a t3.
+ Virtue set and 6% hardwirings. They really make a difference - sifting out crap signatures with 8 au probes is the win. |
Terminal Entry
New Fnord Industries
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Posted - 2011.11.30 05:44:00 -
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Blake Walan wrote:Neone have a good prot fit? With cloak
I'm not sure what a 'prot fit' is but here is my earlier setup now with a Covert-Ops Cloak.
[Tengu, Exploration] Tengu Propulsion - Intercalated Nanofibers Tengu Defensive - Adaptive Shielding Tengu Electronics - Emergent Locus Analyzer Tengu Engineering - Augmented Capacitor Reservoir Tengu Offensive - Covert Reconfiguration
Sisters Expanded Probe Launcher (Sisters Core Scanner Probe) Salvager II Covert Ops Cloaking Device II 4x Heavy Missile Launcher II (Caldari Navy Scourge Heavy Missile)
Pithum C-Type Medium Shield Booster Corelum C-Type 10MN MicroWarpdrive Analyzer II Codebreaker II Pithum C-Type Magnetic Scattering Amplifier Pithum C-Type Kinetic Deflection Amplifier
Damage Control II 2x Ballistic Control System II
2x Medium Capacitor Control Circuit II Medium Capacitor Control Circuit I
If you fit an "Interdiction Nullifier" subsystem all you'd lose is a low slot, BCU or DCU.
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Emperor Salazar
Dreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore
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Posted - 2011.11.30 23:21:00 -
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He meant proteus.
Believe it or not, there are ships outside of the tengu. |
Genocide Machine
Ritual Suicide Tear Extraction And Reclamation Service
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Posted - 2011.12.01 20:12:00 -
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Nalha Saldana wrote:For highest strength get a probing cov ops with 2 Small Gravity Capacitor Upgrade rigs, sisters probe launcher and sister probes. Even at cov ops level 3 its better then the t1 probing frigates because of its 10% skill bonus instead of frigates 5%. Its also better then the t3 for a simple reason: you wouldnt scan strength rig a t3.
my loki is scanning rigged: having a scanning ship for wormhole pvp that cloaks, is immune to disruption fields, can fit 2 warp stabs a nano and a drake worthy passive shield tank is significantly better than a cov ops frigate and worth putting 2 rigs on that cost what a few million isk?
if you do WH pvp, you spend more time flying your scanning ship than your combat alt
now for Hisec for the OP, the only reason to go T3 is for the buffer tank to prevent being ganked when carrying the phat lewts |
Ireland VonVicious
Gurista Saints Assassin Confederacy
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Posted - 2011.12.01 20:41:00 -
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Ishtars can be great exploration ships without the high price tag.
Drones with armor give good dps/def Use mids and highs for all the probe/salvage/hacking goodies.
Nice/cheap swiss army knife. |
Terminal Entry
New Fnord Industries
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Posted - 2011.12.03 02:03:00 -
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Emperor Salazar wrote:He meant proteus.
Believe it or not, there are ships outside of the tengu.
I'm not sure I follow your logic on this one, because I didn't know that a "Prot fit" was in fact a Proteus I therefore think that there is only one ship in Eve?
Care to explain your superior intellect on this one? I'm obviously not on the same intellectual level as yourself.
But this is the Eve Forums where when you try to help someone with a request there will always be someone else butting in with smart-ass comments that are of no help what so ever.
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Rip Minner
ARMITAGE Logistics Salvage and Industries
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Posted - 2011.12.03 06:57:00 -
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Emperor Salazar wrote:He meant proteus.
Believe it or not, there are ships outside of the tengu.
What they made Tech 3 cruisers for other races. Lier! Next you will tell me they also have other Tier 3 Battler cruisers out side Minmatar and Amarr. It's just blaphem!
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Rip Minner
ARMITAGE Logistics Salvage and Industries
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Posted - 2011.12.03 07:00:00 -
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Ireland VonVicious wrote:Ishtars can be great exploration ships without the high price tag.
Drones with armor give good dps/def Use mids and highs for all the probe/salvage/hacking goodies.
Nice/cheap swiss army knife.
Quoted for trueth. This babys are even worth the time most people put into two accounts one for scaning and the othe one a Ishtar.
Swiss army knife is a good name for it too. |
Mavnas
The Scope Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2011.12.03 08:09:00 -
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Mitsukami wrote:Ok, so even though I've played for years I've never really dipped into scanning.
I run lvl 4 missions, I have orca and hulk alts and I want to start scanning down sites, Ideally grav sites but any just for fun.
I want to have a dedicated scanner ship as I will be doing within a coupel of jumps from my "home" system and flying back to switch ship.
What ship and skills would you guys recommend for easiest/fasting scanning abilities?
Many thanks guys.
Any cov ops. If the ship is dedicated to scanning you want the biggest bonus to that you can get. After that you want something that will align/warp fast so you can run back to get your real ship. Only the cov ops frigs and T3s match the first criteria, and only scanning with that ship makes the T3s serious overkill. |
Powie XIII
Pilipino Corp ROMANIAN-LEGION
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Posted - 2011.12.03 13:59:00 -
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The best skill to train is called Quitting, train it to V. |
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