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wordy
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Posted - 2003.10.13 21:56:00 -
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I'm getting ready to upgrade my bs to a lvl 2 bs. Atm I'm torn between and apoc and a Raven, I would like to be more able to defend myself from the many gankers/pirates out there. I'm not that bothered about mining or rat hunting, so I'm guessing the Raven would be the ship of choice.
Could any of the raven/apoc captains out there give me their opinions of their ships please.
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Joshua Calvert
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Posted - 2003.10.13 22:28:00 -
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Apoc is the best all-rounder.
Good at NPC hunting, mining, and is an excellent fleet battleship.
Lack of med-slots kills it a bit 1 vs 1 though.
Raven sucks at mining, sucks at NPC hunting, is good 1 vs 1 and in fleet battles.
Personally, I'd be tempted to get the Apoc just because you can get richer more quickly and buy the Raven aswell!
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Blacklight
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Posted - 2003.10.13 22:56:00 -
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Got to agree with Joshua 100% there.
I've got an Apoc and have had to buy a Scorp as well for pvp when not in a fleet.
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agrizla
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Posted - 2003.10.13 22:59:00 -
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I don't want to start a flame war here but could you just get a grip of yourself please Josh? You don't (AFAIK) fly either of the ships under discussion, you totally ignored the part where he said "I'm not that bothered about mining or rat hunting" and to be quite frank mate your spam is getting more than a little tiresome. Try throttling back to maybe less than 50 posts a day eh? 
To the original poster - Raven. Simply because it gives you far more options than the Apoc - which is the gate gankers ship of choice. NB - gate ganker != pirate necessarily.
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Joshua Calvert
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Posted - 2003.10.13 23:27:00 -
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Edited by: Joshua Calvert on 13/10/2003 23:28:31
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I don't want to start a flame war here but could you just get a grip of yourself please Josh? You don't (AFAIK) fly either of the ships under discussion, you totally ignored the part where he said "I'm not that bothered about mining or rat hunting" and to be quite frank mate your spam is getting more than a little tiresome. Try throttling back to maybe less than 50 posts a day eh?
To the original poster - Raven. Simply because it gives you far more options than the Apoc - which is the gate gankers ship of choice. NB - gate ganker != pirate necessarily.
You don't need to fly a ship to know the pro's and cons of it, agrizla.
I merely listed some of the pro's and con's so he could make the decision he had already come to.
My spam is kept to the General Discussion, anyway.
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dalman
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Posted - 2003.10.14 00:08:00 -
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Well, Apoc is much better for making money. When it comes to PvP:
Raven is better 1vs1.
Apoc is much better in large fights.
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I'm getting ready to upgrade my bs to a lvl 2 bs. Atm I'm torn between and apoc and a Raven
But more seriously, how the **** can you have skills and equipment for both of these ships?
Well, equipment is probably not a problem. I've the needed equipment for both of these ships. But skill points?
I have 4.8M skill points right now, and can pilot a Raven. If I was to think about using an apoc instead, I'd need to get at least another 2M skill points before I can do that.
M.I.A. since 2004-07-30 |
wordy
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Posted - 2003.10.14 00:31:00 -
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Well atm i haven't got all the skills needed to make the Raven effective, so I've started training the neccessary skills, while I'm making my mind up about which one and the cash to buy one.
I've got all the neccessary skills to make an amarr bs an effective weapon. But if it takes a few more weeks to get the neccessary skills for the Raven then thats not a problem, I'm in no rush.
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Pyrotesea
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Posted - 2003.10.14 00:59:00 -
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ok so as for not being bale to fly both effectivly.. I have to disagree.
I have about 4.3 mil skill points all towards fighting including amarr and caldari BS lv 3 and all the gun skills at 4 or better then engineering/electronis/missles/navigation skills all around 3 or better.
but back to topic .. i'll say what most have allrdy said, get apoc 1st then use it to make isk to buy a raven. Raven is very hard to make large amount of isk "leagly"
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Arch Aggelos
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Posted - 2003.10.14 01:09:00 -
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I'm not that bothered about mining or rat hunting
If this is the case you should ignore all the jamokes telling you to get the Apoc first so you can make money and get a Raven. Why the hell would you waste your money on a ship that doesn't give you what you want, just so you could take twice as long to get the ship you do want?
Makes no sense kids...
You want a Raven.
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Ranya
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Posted - 2003.10.14 09:11:00 -
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Well, Apoc is much better for making money. When it comes to PvP:
Raven is better 1vs1.
Apoc is much better in large fights.
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I'm getting ready to upgrade my bs to a lvl 2 bs. Atm I'm torn between and apoc and a Raven
But more seriously, how the **** can you have skills and equipment for both of these ships?
Well, equipment is probably not a problem. I've the needed equipment for both of these ships. But skill points?
I have 4.8M skill points right now, and can pilot a Raven. If I was to think about using an apoc instead, I'd need to get at least another 2M skill points before I can do that.
hi mr RE 5 PE 5 CHARISMA LEARNING 5 fighting char :)
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Polux
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Posted - 2003.10.14 11:48:00 -
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I have 4.8M skill points right now, and can pilot a Raven. If I was to think about using an apoc instead, I'd need to get at least another 2M skill points before I can do that.
Dude I have 2,5 mill skill points and I can fly them bouth and outfitt them good
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Jarjar
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Posted - 2003.10.14 12:15:00 -
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outfitt them good
No.
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Polux
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Posted - 2003.10.14 12:18:00 -
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outfitt them good
No.
YES 
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Random
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Posted - 2003.10.14 12:24:00 -
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outfitt them good
No.
YES
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Tenzo
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Posted - 2003.10.14 12:37:00 -
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Edited by: Tenzo on 14/10/2003 12:38:35
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Well, Apoc is much better for making money. When it comes to PvP:
Raven is better 1vs1.
Apoc is much better in large fights.
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I'm getting ready to upgrade my bs to a lvl 2 bs. Atm I'm torn between and apoc and a Raven
But more seriously, how the **** can you have skills and equipment for both of these ships?
Well, equipment is probably not a problem. I've the needed equipment for both of these ships. But skill points?
I have 4.8M skill points right now, and can pilot a Raven. If I was to think about using an apoc instead, I'd need to get at least another 2M skill points before I can do that.
Hehe i can fly Apoc and Scorp ( one lvl away from Raven ) and the Typhoon ( one lvl away from Tempest ) and i have only got 4.2 mill skill points 
Edit : i like to be flexible and before you ask i can use all the Large weapons and cruise missiles.. rawr 
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Gan Ning
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Posted - 2003.10.14 13:08:00 -
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Edited by: Gan Ning on 14/10/2003 13:15:58
The Raven is more for the defensive player. Its strengths lie in long range missile bombardment. Whilst its six med slots ensure you can have enough sheild boosters and hardeners to tank anything that comes close whilst you gain distance.
It's also the slowest battleship. It's typically a ship to have on the flanks when attacking another fleet.
If used correctly it is a very lethal battleship. If its missiles are being shot down by defenders or smartbombs, you can rely on using your turrets (preferably 425mm rails) to hit optimally at long distance, add that with the Ravens Hybrid range bonus and you can cause havok from a very long way away.
It's not an all-rounder like the apoc, its a specialist battleship for bombardment and long range engagements.
The Raven however when compared to other battleships for multipurpose tasks is very inferior, it is not worth the 90-99mil price tag if you intend to use it for other things such as mining or npc chain killing. 4 Turrets make these things more time consuming and difficult.
As a pure Pvp ship, there are many better than the Raven. Once you take away its range and missile benefits its nothing more than a tank waiting to die. |
Polux
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Posted - 2003.10.14 13:15:00 -
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(preferably 425mm rails) to hit optimally at long distance, add that with the Ravens Hybrid range bonus
I was not sure about the bonus on the Raven. Does it give you 5% extra range ??
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Gan Ning
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Posted - 2003.10.14 13:24:00 -
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Its bonus is 5% optimal turret range and 5% missile launcher speed.
Using 425 rails you already have an optimal over 20k, the Raven bonus will knock that up even more.
People who complain about the raven do not understand how to use it. Every ship has its benefits and not all are designed exclusively for smash mouth in-your-face PvP.
Whilst the Raven has an adequate powergrid, it struggles with CPU, especially if you are using siege Launchers. |
dalman
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Posted - 2003.10.14 14:22:00 -
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hi mr RE 5 PE 5 CHARISMA LEARNING 5 fighting char :)
Ehm... lvl 4 in all learning skills, lvl 4/3 in mining, lvl 4 in science, lvl 3 in corp management, lvl 2 refining, lvl 2 industry, lvl 3 Caldari industrial.
Means I have about 4.4M in combat skills.
And I would still need 2M more skillpoints if I want to pilot an Apoc too.
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Bobba
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Posted - 2003.10.14 17:15:00 -
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Edited by: Bobba on 14/10/2003 21:42:23
Edited by: Bobba on 14/10/2003 21:16:50
Shield booster amplifier will give Raven an advantage, they give 30% to the shield boosters bonus. 3 of them in med slots will give a C5-L 350/pcs in boost. 2 C5-L give me 700 in boost to the shield every 3,2 sec. and whit cap recharges in low I can hold up the drainage, and this gives the raven the time to hold up the shield until all torpedoÆs and cruise missiles starts to bombard the apoc's shield and armor
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NTRabbit
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Posted - 2003.10.15 06:29:00 -
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But more seriously, how the **** can you have skills and equipment for both of these ships?
Well, equipment is probably not a problem. I've the needed equipment for both of these ships. But skill points?
I have 4.8M skill points right now, and can pilot a Raven. If I was to think about using an apoc instead, I'd need to get at least another 2M skill points before I can do that.
I have 4.9 mill skill points right now, with every cruiser skill at level 4 but only caldari BS trained, cause i only own caldari battleships atm. I can also fly every other ship in the game except a mammoth and an Iteron mk V - training for the Iteron 5 will only take me 18 days, something to train during my 3 weeks of study and exams. Sure, i may not have level 5 in every gunnery skill, and i only have level 4 drones, but i get by
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Zagum Darkfin
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Posted - 2003.10.16 18:32:00 -
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Optimal Range for 425mms with AM Ammo is 33k for me. My corpmate can get it to 57k optimal with 3 tracking cpus.
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