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Dark Shikari Caldari Imperium Technologies Firmus Ixion	Posted - 2006.08.26 15:01:00 - [1] Edited by: Dark Shikari on 26/08/2006 15:04:54 World of Warcraft sucks because its a grind. Leveling is a grind of killing enemies over and over. Questing is a grind of doing boring, repetitive "kill me 10 trogdolyte" quests. Raiding is a grind of doing 50 raids until you get enough DKP to get some uber rare loot item... that will help you raid better. PvP is a grind to get as much honor as possible to get a high ranking and "warlord" armor/items. Heck, its all a grind, and with ZERO redeeming qualities at all. I've played it until level 50-something and I have a friend who is level 60 and is grinding for Warlord armor (and getting 500k honor a week by playing 6-10 hours of Battlegrounds a day, over and over and over, grinding it: even he thinks its boring as hell). I don't understand how anyone can find it fun to play WoW at all. People say "Go back to WoW" because World of Warcraft coddles you all the way through, preventing anything bad from happening to you. Its an insult to people who whine about how EVE is too harsh, and its true: if you don't like EVE's harshness, it isn't the game for you. Heck I don't even understand why people claim that WoW is the "best fantasy MMO out there": its really really boring even for a fantasy MMORPG. --[23] Member-- Originally by: DB Preacher The only time BoB's backs are to the wall is when Backdoor Bandit is in local.
Dark Shikari Caldari Imperium Technologies Firmus Ixion	Posted - 2006.08.26 15:08:00 - [2] Originally by: Infinity Ziona I just spent 3 weeks, every spare moment of my time, grinding my way up so I can afford a dreadnought and its fittings. It'll probably be destroyed since I plan to take it to 0.0 and kill people and I will have to do it all over again. Isnt that a grind too? But in EVE, you have a choice. You can grind, or you can choose not to grind. In WoW, there is nothing that isn't a grind: you have no choice. Originally by: Baldour Ngarr Originally by: Infinity Ziona Both games rock, but in very different ways, since ones a space game and ones a fantasy game, the comparison here on these forums is assinine. And the very first reply to this thread, amply proves your point. People think WoW is rubbish because THEY don't like it. How they ever got the idea that their opinion is the only one that matters on the entire planet is beyond me. In fact, given that WoW has subscribers in the millions and we have barely 125,000, the only objective conclusion is that EVE sucks. By the same logic, Ashlee Simpson and Britney Spears are two of the greatest singers ever. --[23] Member-- Originally by: DB Preacher The only time BoB's backs are to the wall is when Backdoor Bandit is in local.
Dark Shikari Caldari Imperium Technologies Firmus Ixion	Posted - 2006.08.26 15:13:00 - [3] Originally by: Verus Potestas Originally by: Baldour Ngarr Originally by: Dark Shikari By the same logic, Ashlee Simpson and Britney Spears are two of the greatest singers ever. Exactly. The only possible way to judge quality is how popular they are. If people like them, they're good. This depends how you judge quality. Does marketting affect quality? Exactly my point: it doesn't. Just because everyone knows about something doesn't make it good. Just because something has had tens of millions spent marketing it to everyone in the world doesn't mean its better than something that hasn't. --[23] Member-- Originally by: DB Preacher The only time BoB's backs are to the wall is when Backdoor Bandit is in local.
Dark Shikari Caldari Imperium Technologies Firmus Ixion	Posted - 2006.08.26 15:15:00 - [4] Originally by: Jim McGregor WoW was good before battlegrounds. I used to have great fun killing people out in the real world with my rogue and mage. But... then they had to kill it and introduce the grind there too, so I left. :p This is quite true. World of Warcraft did not originally have PvP be a grind. In the "good old days" one could do all sorts of stuff like invade an enemy town, kill their NPCs, and gank people all over. Nowadays, you're not allowed to: people PvP in Battlegrounds instead, which has converted all PvP to a grind. --[23] Member-- Originally by: DB Preacher The only time BoB's backs are to the wall is when Backdoor Bandit is in local.
Dark Shikari Caldari Imperium Technologies Firmus Ixion	Posted - 2006.08.26 15:18:00 - [5] Originally by: Verus Potestas Mildly off-topic, what is this new World PVP WoW is going on about atm? Sounds fun, because I'm thinking "yarrr!", but I can just imagine it being terrible From what I heard it is terrible. --[23] Member-- Originally by: DB Preacher The only time BoB's backs are to the wall is when Backdoor Bandit is in local.
Dark Shikari Caldari Imperium Technologies Firmus Ixion	Posted - 2006.08.26 15:19:00 - [6] Originally by: Baldour Ngarr There is NO objective measure of the quality of entertainment, except how many people like it. Anyone claiming otherwise can only think that their opinion is more important than anyone else's. As witnessed above "How many people like it" is not a measure of the quality of entertainment: it is a measure of how many people have been shown that entertainment. --[23] Member-- Originally by: DB Preacher The only time BoB's backs are to the wall is when Backdoor Bandit is in local.
Dark Shikari Caldari Imperium Technologies Firmus Ixion	Posted - 2006.08.26 15:29:00 - [7] Edited by: Dark Shikari on 26/08/2006 15:29:24 Originally by: Infinity Ziona Dark, you dont HAVE to level to 60 as fast as possible and then grind to get PvP points and armor. Thats a choice too isnt it? Im playing on the RPPVP server with my 6 year old so we duo pvp the alliance and just go hunting and stuff. No rush to get anything at all. But I don't see a single thing to do in the game that isn't a boring grind. Thus, no matter what I choose to do in the game, its a grind. The only way to avoid a "grind" is to do tons of DIFFERENT boring things. Originally by: Jargash Im just ignoring any replies to this post,the reason i will state now along with my own reply: Dont compare any game to EvE on the EvE forums,there all EvE players,who do you think theyl support?EvE ofcourse! Post this thing on the WoW forums and everyone will say WoW pwns EvE! But how many of those 12-year-olds in their parents' basement have actually played EVE enough to make a comparison? --[23] Member-- Originally by: DB Preacher The only time BoB's backs are to the wall is when Backdoor Bandit is in local.
Dark Shikari Caldari Imperium Technologies Firmus Ixion	Posted - 2006.08.26 15:40:00 - [8] Originally by: Jargash And now that i read a few comments i see alot better posts then i expected... While the EVE community has some idiots, most posters are on average quite good. At least we can spell! --[23] Member-- Originally by: DB Preacher The only time BoB's backs are to the wall is when Backdoor Bandit is in local.
Dark Shikari Caldari Imperium Technologies Firmus Ixion	Posted - 2006.08.26 15:56:00 - [9] Originally by: Verus Potestas Edited by: Verus Potestas on 26/08/2006 15:48:46 Originally by: Dark Shikari Originally by: Jargash And now that i read a few comments i see alot better posts then i expected... While the EVE community has some idiots, most posters are on average quite good. At least we can spell! Are we on the same forums? OK, admittedly our forums do have a much lower proportion of moronic spelling than WoW, but we are hardly perfect. Anyone who thinks that the EVE forums are bad hasn't seen another gaming forum. In terms of intelligent posting, from what I've found... Specialty forums (anime subbing groups, encoding forums, linux forums) > EVE forums > good imageboards > WoW forums > 4chan --[23] Member-- Originally by: DB Preacher The only time BoB's backs are to the wall is when Backdoor Bandit is in local.
Dark Shikari Caldari Imperium Technologies Firmus Ixion	Posted - 2006.08.26 16:00:00 - [10] Originally by: Maya Rkell Dark Shikari, well... Specialty forums (anime subbing groups, encoding forums, linux forums) > EVE forums > good imageboards > WoW forums > 4chan > Whineplay (EQ forums) > SA. Alassra Eventide, yea, because ignoring teleports makes sense. Lol. Some of SA is quite intelligent. The worst forums are FYAD-like forums full of utter stupidity. But there is something worse than the SA FYAD forum. 4chan's /b/. It is, without a doubt, the worst forum on the internet, anywhere. To quote someone a while back: "Trolling /b/ is like **ing into an ocean of *. Sometimes people go and spam shock images there, but usually the shock images are actually LESS OFFENSIVE* than what was already being posted." --[23] Member-- Originally by: DB Preacher The only time BoB's backs are to the wall is when Backdoor Bandit is in local.
Dark Shikari Caldari Imperium Technologies Firmus Ixion	Posted - 2006.08.26 16:03:00 - [11] Originally by: Frash The thing that Dark needs to realize is that EVE is a grind too. Some of EVE is a grind. It is not required that a player grind if he doesn't want. All of WoW is a grind. It is required that a player grind if he wants to do well. That's the difference. --[23] Member-- Originally by: DB Preacher The only time BoB's backs are to the wall is when Backdoor Bandit is in local.

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