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MrJack Rave Technologies Inc. Miners With Attitude	Posted - 2006.08.27 10:26:00 - [1] There are rumours that to get rare spawn (ie. Domination) you need to kill whole spawn instead chaining it. Im sure its not true, and rare spawns just show up randomly (even at belt that there is another spawn - replacing it). There is no need to kill whole spawns and make unable other players to earn money. I want some answers please - whats the pattern of spawning RARE spawns.
Avon Caldari Black Nova Corp Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.08.27 10:27:00 - [2] If you don't kill it all, it will vanish eventually anyway. The Battleships is not and should not be a solo pwnmobile - Oveur
dabster Minmatar Celestial Apocalypse	Posted - 2006.08.27 10:31:00 - [3] You wont get any answers from CCP on how exactly it works, why on earth would they tell you "do like this for best spawns" ? But what people who npc's will tell you is that it works randomly. The end. (serious answer from somebody who has killed about 10 shadow serps the past week) ___________________________ Brutors Rule! My Eve-vids; Click.
MrJack Rave Technologies Inc. Miners With Attitude	Posted - 2006.08.27 10:34:00 - [4] Edited by: MrJack on 27/08/2006 10:35:54 What i want is a statement, that rare spawns dont depend on kiling whole spawns instead of chaining them. That there is no reason to kill all ships in spawns at all belts, because it wont bring rare spawns faster. Im sick of people killing all ships in spawns and telling me that they are trying to get Domination spawn. This is stupid! They only make other people unable to earn money, becouse after killing whole spawn you need to wait much much longer to another show up.
Shahadet	Posted - 2006.08.27 10:36:00 - [5] The Kill the spawn myth comes from other MMOs where an umber spawn has a "place holder" spawn. If it comes time for the phat loot spawn to pop and the place holder is still there it does not pop and in some games this resets the spawn time completely. This mind set has seemed to come to EvE as people that have played other MMOs have come to EvE and assume the spawn system here is the same. just my 2isk on this. You like the Sig? Check them out hereand see who made them.
bogir War And Peace Construction	Posted - 2006.08.27 10:37:00 - [6] More kills = more repops = bigger cance for a rare to pop.. -- as i understant they are random each time a new mob pop (not a big cance but it is there) so if you kill more rats more have to repop and then more cances you get for a rare to pop
MrJack Rave Technologies Inc. Miners With Attitude	Posted - 2006.08.27 10:44:00 - [7] But how big is a chance that you will get a domi spawn after clearing whole system from spawns? 1/100000 ? You can kill 500 spawns and wont get rare spawn, and you can kill one and get it. This is too random and unpredictable! The only chance after killing whole spawns in system is that you endup dead, killed by any other player unable to earn money because of you...
BlackHawk177 Forsaken Empire	Posted - 2006.08.27 10:51:00 - [8] I got an idea, this is a pretty crazy one but it just might workk. if someone keeps killing all the spawns ina system making you 'unable' to make isk due to lack of spawn... TRY A DIFFERENT SYSTEM!!!! Not like there's only 3 systems in eve where everyone has to npc.
Sirial Soulfly	Posted - 2006.08.27 11:00:00 - [9] That will be the day where the dev's will answer every little kid in eve that wants something of them.
MrJack Rave Technologies Inc. Miners With Attitude	Posted - 2006.08.27 11:03:00 - [10] If changing system was the right idea, and right thing to do, that topic wouldnt show up, would it ? So if there are robbers in you neighbourhood, you just move to another town instead calling Police? No, this is not an option. And this topic was not about if im right or not and what should i do - i asked about how rare spawn works. And stick to it please.

Tas Devil JUDGE DREAD Inc. Forces of Freedom	Posted - 2006.08.27 11:04:00 - [11] and the rumour mill spins and spins.... The best Laugh ever ... Credit goes to Killer8 for this ! Oh and apparently the mods tell me there is bad language on his site so beware kids :)
Estelle Matsuko Caldari The Beiatch Corp Inc	Posted - 2006.08.27 11:05:00 - [12] Originally by: MrJack But how big is a chance that you will get a domi spawn after clearing whole system from spawns? 1/100000 ? You can kill 500 spawns and wont get rare spawn, and you can kill one and get it. This is too random and unpredictable! The only chance after killing whole spawns in system is that you endup dead, killed by any other player unable to earn money because of you... It¦s SUPPOSED to be random and unpredictable you....you....words fail me
twit brent Dark Centuri Inc. Firmus Ixion	Posted - 2006.08.27 11:16:00 - [13] Everyone knows you will get better spawns if you jet then sacrifice some exotic dancers .
Merdaneth	Posted - 2006.08.27 11:24:00 - [14] Originally by: MrJack This is too random and unpredictable! Devs: 'Say, lets try to make an appearance of rare spawns random and unpredicatble, we don't want players to try and farm rare spawns.' Players: 'Hey, the appearance of rare spawns is too random and predictable! How can we farm them? Help us!' Devs: 'Seems we did a good job there.'
Shahadet	Posted - 2006.08.27 11:36:00 - [15] Originally by: twit brent Everyone knows you will get better spawns if you jet then sacrifice some exotic dancers . That's why I always fly with 300 in the cargo next to the achool and drugs. You like the Sig? Check them out hereand see who made them.
Miss Overlord	Posted - 2006.08.27 11:42:00 - [16] here is a list of factors that seem to affect Mining the roids in the system rasies over all spawn strength over a 4 hour cycle Jumps in last 24 hours as well as ships killed in last 24 hours (0.0) affects Constellation wise total NPC ships killed and types in the last hour and 24 hours is factor (up to 50-80 systems to consider per constellation) True sec status (no one has up to date info) even then its highly variable In short theres no definite answer others say if htere is a factional complex or NPC agents neraby this affects As does less ppl in system in lsat week raises spawn strength There are many theroies just keep killing. SO sorry mr Jack there is no Iwin button for u no farming potential its pot luck u should consult mr muprhy or better still go kill some real players.
Valkazm Amarr Cursed Spawn Knights Of the Southerncross	Posted - 2006.08.27 11:42:00 - [17] Originally by: twit brent Everyone knows you will get better spawns if you jet then sacrifice some exotic dancers . To Baal of course once he has recived enough virgins a lightning will strike from the sky and behold a domination will appear and dont forget to circle your ship three times to show aprication to Baal or you are forever cursed to never see a domination ship agian .. so say it the wize Alanso
Cyrus Khanici	Posted - 2006.08.27 11:47:00 - [18] I was told recently about the 'kill everything and you get better spawns' theory, tried it out and in two weeks i had 2 officer spawns. Before that i had been chaining and had only ever got commander spawns but never an officer. This could ofcourse just be a coincidence, but i'm still doing it.
CiNi Mining Specialists Inc Distant Star Alliance	Posted - 2006.08.27 11:50:00 - [19] heya MrJack o/ ur right - the rare ones show up if the belt has been cleared or not u dont have to clear out a system to get a rare spawn they just show up and replace whatever is at the belt :) lol @ people killing players for clearing out systems - i've seen it happen
Phrixus Zephyr Singularity.	Posted - 2006.08.27 11:52:00 - [20] Edited by: Phrixus Zephyr on 27/08/2006 11:51:44 Sekrit Originally by: El Berto ...aparently being European makes me the spawn of Cthulhu.

Aramendel Amarr Queens of the Stone Age	Posted - 2006.08.27 11:58:00 - [21] Firstly, asking the devs for game info/tip is extremly pointless & childish. AFAIK factions spawns work afaik this way: Every consteallation has 1 faction spawn max at any given time. As long as it is alive (aka not killed or despawned) there won't appaear another one. Should there be no faction spawn in the constellation atm each time you warp to an (empty) belt there is a chance for one to spawn. Best chance to encounter a faction spawn when warping to a belt is due to this right after downtime or right after one got killed (killed by you included). Killing everything won't help much, warping from belt to belt repetantly owuld be more effective (although normally ratting will give you more money in the end I think).
Miss Overlord	Posted - 2006.08.27 12:03:00 - [22] Originally by: Aramendel Firstly, asking the devs for game info/tip is extremly pointless & childish. AFAIK factions spawns work afaik this way: Every consteallation has 1 faction spawn max at any given time. As long as it is alive (aka not killed or despawned) there won't appaear another one. Should there be no faction spawn in the constellation atm each time you warp to an (empty) belt there is a chance for one to spawn. Hvae seen 3 in the one system at once and once i saw a triple shadow serpentis baron spawn guarding 2 hauler shps that dropped 1.5m isogen total Best chance to encounter a faction spawn when warping to a belt is due to this right after downtime or right after one got killed (killed by you included). Killing everything won't help much, warping from belt to belt repetantly owuld be more effective (although normally ratting will give you more money in the end I think).
Tas Devil JUDGE DREAD Inc. Forces of Freedom	Posted - 2006.08.27 12:11:00 - [23] Originally by: Miss Overlord here is a list of factors that seem to affect Mining the roids in the system rasies over all spawn strength over a 4 hour cycle Jumps in last 24 hours as well as ships killed in last 24 hours (0.0) affects Constellation wise total NPC ships killed and types in the last hour and 24 hours is factor (up to 50-80 systems to consider per constellation) True sec status (no one has up to date info) even then its highly variable In short theres no definite answer others say if htere is a factional complex or NPC agents neraby this affects As does less ppl in system in lsat week raises spawn strength There are many theroies just keep killing. SO sorry mr Jack there is no Iwin button for u no farming potential its pot luck u should consult mr muprhy or better still go kill some real players. I think the girth of Santa Clauss left leg after ridding a raindeer for exactly 34 minutes affects rare spawns probability too .... The best Laugh ever ... Credit goes to Killer8 for this ! Oh and apparently the mods tell me there is bad language on his site so beware kids :)
Tas Devil JUDGE DREAD Inc. Forces of Freedom	Posted - 2006.08.27 12:13:00 - [24] Edited by: Tas Devil on 27/08/2006 12:13:44 Originally by: Miss Overlord here is a list of factors that seem to affect Mining the roids in the system rasies over all spawn strength over a 4 hour cycle Jumps in last 24 hours as well as ships killed in last 24 hours (0.0) affects Constellation wise total NPC ships killed and types in the last hour and 24 hours is factor (up to 50-80 systems to consider per constellation) True sec status (no one has up to date info) even then its highly variable In short theres no definite answer others say if htere is a factional complex or NPC agents neraby this affects As does less ppl in system in lsat week raises spawn strength There are many theroies just keep killing. SO sorry mr Jack there is no Iwin button for u no farming potential its pot luck u should consult mr muprhy or better still go kill some real players. What Constellation are YOU in ? And trust me those that need to know, know where to look for true sec status... The best Laugh ever ... Credit goes to Killer8 for this ! Oh and apparently the mods tell me there is bad language on his site so beware kids :)
Plutoinum German Cyberdome Corp Veritas Immortalis	Posted - 2006.08.27 12:21:00 - [25] Edited by: Plutoinum on 27/08/2006 12:24:26 Originally by: BlackHawk177 I got an idea, this is a pretty crazy one but it just might workk. if someone keeps killing all the spawns ina system making you 'unable' to make isk due to lack of spawn... TRY A DIFFERENT SYSTEM!!!! Not like there's only 3 systems in eve where everyone has to npc. If you want to make good money with ratting, you need a system for yourself. But systems with good spawns are quite limited in deep 0.0. In regions with pirate faction sovereignity, every system is a good system. You can get the highest spawns everywhere. But e.g. in the -0.51 system in deep 0.0, where I'm sometimes ratting, it needs some time, until there are nice spawns and the system isn't capable Seraphim spawns. Throne is maximum bounty for regular BS, officers don't spawn. In contrast to that, each system in Curse is capable of Seraphim spawns and officers, even if it just -0.01 and the chance for high bounty BS spawns is much higher. So in deep 0.0 you end with maybe a dozen systems with enough belts, where nice rats spawns for a few hundred people. That's a bit crap compared to space with npc sovereignty.
Nymos Celtic Anarchy Black Reign Syndicate	Posted - 2006.08.27 14:08:00 - [26] Originally by: MrJack But how big is a chance that you will get a domi spawn after clearing whole system from spawns? 1/100000 ? You can kill 500 spawns and wont get rare spawn, and you can kill one and get it. This is too random and unpredictable! The only chance after killing whole spawns in system is that you endup dead, killed by any other player unable to earn money because of you... please look up randomness somewhere, you'll notice that randomness is related to probability which implies unpredictability (else it would be deterministic and not random). so if you assume it's a chance of 1/100000... it could be the first spawn you hit, the 10th, the 100000th, even the 2 millionth spawn. if a given probability is true then you can only assume it as an average on an infinite number of "experiments" (i.e. clear spawns). ok sorry for smartassing :P would you like to farm 500m isk drops? ... if you clear the spawns you'll make isk too PLUS the chance of a good faction drop if you get a rare spawn. or, yea, try another system. try a system with lower true-sec for better spawns. check the cans for named stuff and pick up the stuff that refines really well like large turrets for extra cash. it's so easy to make isk in 0.0 --
JoeT Amarr Short Attention Span The Guardian Coalition	Posted - 2006.08.27 14:28:00 - [27] Originally by: MrJack Edited by: MrJack on 27/08/2006 10:35:54 Im sick of people killing all ships in spawns and telling me that they are trying to get Domination spawn. This is stupid! They only make other people unable to earn money, becouse after killing whole spawn you need to wait much much longer to another show up. Leave the system and find a new one. Or Kill them. ---
Riley Craven Caldari Black Eclipse Corp	Posted - 2006.08.27 16:31:00 - [28] Wow so many myths out there. To bad they are all false. Heres the deal. Spawns are TOTALY RANDOM. No matter where you go. Each "new" spawn that comes into the system after you have killed another one has a small chance of being an "officer" spawn. Thus killing all the spawns in a system over time would suggest greater probability of generating an officer. You can get one in minutes, or hours, or not all flippin day if your tried. Its luck and thats the way CCP likes so it. That being said I have had officers come in chaining systems, but its rarer than if you kill everything off repeatedly.
Haniblecter Teg F.R.E.E. Explorer EVE Animal Control	Posted - 2006.08.27 16:47:00 - [29] Lets say each spawn has a random chance of becoming an officer or faction spawn. If you constnatly chain one spawn, how is it going to turn into a faction spawn? Will the new BS warping into the chain suddenly become a faction BS? No. You need to kill the entire spawn for a new spawn to warp in somewhere in the system, and that spawn will have a chance of being a 'rare' spawn. ---------------------------------------- Friends Forever
Caleb Paine Infinite Technologies	Posted - 2006.08.27 17:28:00 - [30] you WANT? wow... INCH has room for a few more active and mature members, VERY newbie friendly.



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