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inSpirAcy
Caldari
The Solopwnmobiles
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Posted - 2006.08.28 21:00:00 -
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Edited by: inSpirAcy on 28/08/2006 21:06:35
 Originally by: Frools
run the graphs again with the rax using null and watch that range advantage melt away 
Done. Looks like the only real advantage the Omen has is with Scorch; 360 DPS on a gank ship FTL. 
BTW, turning on the "Tank" button in NB's spreadsheet just makes me cry. 
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JoeT
Amarr
Short Attention Span
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Posted - 2006.08.28 21:02:00 -
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Originally by: inSpirAcy
Originally by: Captain Alioth
5.0 vs. 5.3? I don't get it.
The Omen has 4 turret hardpoints, which will do 25% more damage due to RoF at lvl5, so in terms of DPS wouldn't it be 5.0 vs. 5.0?
Crazy EVE math. 
A 25% RoF increase is equivalent to a 33% damage increase.
Take teh math and the maller and omen do the same DPS :(
Omen just spits it out a little fast, while maller uses one more gun.
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Frools
No Quarter.
Axiom Empire
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Posted - 2006.08.28 21:32:00 -
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Originally by: inSpirAcy
BTW, turning on the "Tank" button in NB's spreadsheet just makes me cry.
haha yea, i've not messed with that as its too confusing and i cba to work out how to put different tank types in 
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Emperor D'Hoffryn
Low Grade Ore
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Posted - 2006.08.28 22:29:00 -
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I tried an omen once, dont even remember the setup. was a somewhat gank setup. Went 1vs1 with a thorax. i think I was just starting into his armor when i popped. and thorax is armor tanking ship :)
Had tech2 guns and tech2 light drones. the thorax just out ganks it, while out tanking it. Doubt a maller would have done better. Amarr tech1 cruisers in general are in a sad state.
Originally by: Tuxford
Yes we don't play on our main accounts simply because you would lose all respect for us
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Dorah Hawkwing
Chosen Path
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Posted - 2006.08.29 00:24:00 -
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There's more than one way to set up an omen. So far I've been very content with mine.
Also, Thorax is tier 3 cruiser, Omen Tier 2. Omen has 4 (5.3) turrents and a launcher slot compared to a maller's 5 turrents.
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inSpirAcy
Caldari
The Solopwnmobiles
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Posted - 2006.08.29 00:41:00 -
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Tier isn't a statement of quality. It's intended to distinguish the different roles of each ship.
The Vexor is Tier 2 and it most certainly doesn't pale next to the Thorax. In many ways, particularly with the current game mechanics, it's more powerful than the Thorax.
The Omen should have some way to match the other offensive cruisers. The Thorax has all out damage going for it, the Rupture has speed and excellent fitting allowing it to fully utilise its two utility slots, and the Moa... well, we don't talk about the Moa (we probably should). 
Let the Omen use the bonus it's meant to have (range) by giving it the survivability to chip away with its paltry DPS. Or just up its DPS in line with the Geddon/Megathron drop so it doesn't have to survive long.
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Andreask14
Sensus Numinis
Veritas Immortalis
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Posted - 2006.08.29 01:47:00 -
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The omen is fine.
You just have to realize that it is the "11km cruiser".
Because it is at 11 kilometer to its target where the pulses get to use their better range versus blasters and autocannons, as well as just being outside of nos-range.
The only way to achive an 11km orbit against faster enemy ships is to have a 90% webber fitted.
An amarrian close range ship without a webber is a dead amarrian close range ship versus all other close-range ships.
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Frools
No Quarter.
Axiom Empire
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Posted - 2006.08.29 01:58:00 -
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Originally by: Andreask14
The omen is fine.
You just have to realize that it is the "11km cruiser".
Because it is at 11 kilometer to its target where the pulses get to use their better range versus blasters and autocannons, as well as just being outside of nos-range.
The only way to achive an 11km orbit against faster enemy ships is to have a 90% webber fitted.
An amarrian close range ship without a webber is a dead amarrian close range ship versus all other close-range ships.
ok, maybe if you could get a mwd in that would work
and you'd need a faction webber, why should you need a faction webber to make a t1 ship work properly
if you have a normal 90% web and a thorax mwd's towards you, activate web at 10km and he'll easily get close enough to bbq you long before you can kill him
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inSpirAcy
Caldari
The Solopwnmobiles
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Posted - 2006.08.29 02:11:00 -
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Originally by: Andreask14
The omen is fine.
You just have to realize that it is the "11km cruiser".
Leaving aside the issue that blasters actually do outdamage pulses at 11km (did you even bother looking at the graph?), that's the most ridiculous affirmation that the Omen is "fine" I've ever heard.
A 'rax at 11km takes next to no time to hurl itself way below that. You have a webber? He has one too, and an MWD plus enough inertia to cover that 10km in a few seconds.
Laser range advantages begin at 20km+, and there isn't any advantage with the current damage/tank balance of the Omen, its paltry DPS at that range can't outlive its tank. Leaving aside the lack of grid to cram an MWD in there, just so it can actually dictate range versus a 'rax or a Rupture.
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BlackHorizon
Caldari
Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate
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Posted - 2006.08.29 03:11:00 -
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Edited by: BlackHorizon on 29/08/2006 03:12:59
I think (I'm not sure) that a pure-gank Arbitrator will out-damage an Omen. Someone plz calculate the dps of an Arbitrator with 2x T2 neutron blasters, 1x HML2, 2xOgre T2, 2xHammerhead T2, 1x Hobgoblin T2 and some damage mods. A similar blaster vexor setup will have even greater damage, of course.
The Omen is quite pathetic. Only the Augoror is worse in the T1 Amarr cruiser category.
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Andreask14
Sensus Numinis
Veritas Immortalis
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Posted - 2006.08.29 17:03:00 -
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Hm, you are right Inspi.
Well, omen has a lower signature than a rax and an actually higher base speed by 10m/s.
Perhaps you could fly an omen with a dual webber setup, you definately cant use a MWD, because the energy malus totally gimps amarrian ships.
Well, tbh, and omen fares well if you use ECM and NOS.
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Deva Blackfire
DAB
RAZOR Alliance
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Posted - 2006.08.29 17:25:00 -
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Originally by: Clavius XIV
Originally by: inSpirAcy
Give me an Omen setup and I can give you a Maller setup that'll outdamage it.
To be fair, this is probably only true for "reasonable setups". For pure gank (that will die pretty much as soon as it gets targeted) no maller will beat this dps:
4x Heavy Pulse Laser II
Heavy Missile Launcher II
10MN Afterburner II
Faint Warp Prohibitor I
Fleeting Propulsion Inhibitor I
Reactor Control Unit II
Co-Processor II
3x Heat Sink II
Again it's not a realistic setup unless you are a member of a very large blob. A bit more fitting on the Omen and the Maller would certianly be welcome to make them competitive.
At least the Arbitrator is a decent T1 option for Amarr cruiser pilots.
Med ion/neutron blaster maller? Will it outdamage this?
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Frools
No Quarter.
Axiom Empire
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Posted - 2006.08.29 17:43:00 -
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Originally by: Andreask14
Well, tbh, and omen fares well if you use ECM and NOS.
not enough cpu
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