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Ridvanson 16	Posted - 2014.11.13 12:07:06 - [1] - Quote For a lack of recent threads in GD on PLEX prices, I thought one should be opened So once again, prices are going ballistic (+100m in less than a month), probably due to Phoebe and a handful of clever trillionaires that like to capitalize on poor people. First of, I don't think that PLEX are broken or that rising prices are necessarily ~bad for the game~. There are rather obvious benefits to high prices (anti-RMT to name one). However, there are also potential downsides, the most important of which is that in the long run EVE might loose individual (real) players who can no longer afford to run their alt(s) or EVE altogether. I suggest CCP should look into doing something about market manipulation of PLEX prices. You think "free market but but ...", yet I say CCP has steeped in before (technetium). Granted, a solution to PLEX manipulation would need a somewhat different approach ... INTRODUCING PLEX TAX (see what I did there) The organization (SCC) that is issuing PLEX is concerned about loosing their control over licensing things and decrees that henceforth a tax be paid from all those that would hoard, sell or scam with PLEX rather than use them. hoarding tax: each day during downtime you are being taxed for the PLEX you have sitting in your hangars or in the redeeming system by 0.3% of some value that resembles the average PLEX price (but shouldn't obv. be prone to manipulation ... ). Of course PLEX on sell orders and contracts are taxed as well! Differently maybe, or just the same. Add to that a special salex tax (or rather a buyers tax) for people acquiring PLEX. FIXED it! Now send me donations :>
Benny Ohu Chaotic Tranquility Warp to Cyno. 4147	Posted - 2014.11.13 12:15:14 - [2] - Quote Ridvanson wrote: I suggest CCP should look into doing something about market manipulation of PLEX prices. You think "free market but but ...", yet I say CCP has steeped in before (technetium for example). Granted, a solution to PLEX manipulation would need a somewhat different approach ... you say that, but ccp's been very open about its PLEX market manipulation. CCP not only steps in already, but also justifies market manipulation to the CSM
Noriko Mai 1610	Posted - 2014.11.13 12:16:39 - [3] - Quote If I were the SCC, I would rub my **** everytime someone sells/buys a plex.
Dave Stark 7154	Posted - 2014.11.13 12:21:30 - [4] - Quote this is one of the worst ideas i've ever seen. and i visit the F&I forum.
Ridvanson 16	Posted - 2014.11.13 12:21:55 - [5] - Quote Benny Ohu wrote: Ridvanson wrote: I suggest CCP should look into doing something about market manipulation of PLEX prices. You think "free market but but ...", yet I say CCP has steeped in before (technetium for example). Granted, a solution to PLEX manipulation would need a somewhat different approach ... you say that, but ccp's been very open about its PLEX market manipulation. CCP not only steps in already, but also justifies its own market manipulation to the CSM I know, I was not talking the measures CCP is already taking, but PLEX manipulation by players. Whatever CCP is doing doesn't seem to have any meaningful impact, which lets me wonder, if they are actually interested at all in keeping PLEX prices down TBH. As I said, if CCP feels like that bottom line high PLEX prices actually benefit the game/their business they might as well stop that sharade gg However if not, maybe a solution like PLEX tax TM would actually make a difference.
Ridvanson 16	Posted - 2014.11.13 12:24:19 - [6] - Quote Dave Stark wrote: this is one of the worst ideas i've ever seen. and i visit the F&I forum. when you say 'worst', how bad you think is the idea? Like worst 5%?
Victor Andall 768	Posted - 2014.11.13 12:27:05 - [7] - Quote Exactly what EVE Needs. The "government" tampering with the economy. I just undocked for the first time and someone challenged me to a duel. Wat do? 19.08.2014 - Dinsdale gets slammed by CCP Falcon. Never forget.
Ridvanson 16	Posted - 2014.11.13 12:32:29 - [8] - Quote Victor Andall wrote: Exactly what EVE Needs. The "government" tampering with the economy. IFF it stops people from opting out ... It's not like EVE is real (or is it?) and there are no weird artificial rules/restrictions already
Caviar Liberta Moira. Villore Accords 746	Posted - 2014.11.13 12:57:30 - [9] - Quote I for one would like to see plex prices go up more. I have ships to buy, ships to pew and ships to explode. EvE isn't my second job so I don't plex my account.
Benny Ohu Chaotic Tranquility Warp to Cyno. 4147	Posted - 2014.11.13 13:05:40 - [10] - Quote Ridvanson wrote: Benny Ohu wrote: you say that, but ccp's been very open about its PLEX market manipulation. CCP not only steps in already, but also justifies its own market manipulation to the CSM I know, I was not talking the measures CCP is already taking, but PLEX manipulation by players. alright. i felt it was worth mentioning
Ka'Narlist Dreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore 254	Posted - 2014.11.13 13:08:27 - [11] - Quote If CCP wanted a more fluid plex market without a few ultra rich people hording them to drive prices higher and higher they would just give them an expiration date after which they become worthless. This way the market would crash with all those horded plex being thrown on the market and after this stabilize on a supply and demand value. But I really doubt something like his will happen.
Jurico Elemenohpe Laughing Coffin's 3	Posted - 2014.11.13 13:16:01 - [12] - Quote Ka'Narlist wrote: If CCP wanted a more fluid plex market without a few ultra rich people hording them to drive prices higher and higher they would just give them an expiration date after which they become worthless. This way the market would crash with all those horded plex being thrown on the market and after this stabilize on a supply and demand value. But I really doubt something like his will happen. Theyd need to overhaul the 11y/o item and market code, because it doesn't allow for unique items to be traded, which is why we need to repackage.
Essack Leadae Core Industry. Circle-Of-Two 41	Posted - 2014.11.13 13:38:59 - [13] - Quote A tax ? What a joke... There is only one thing to do : make the plex as expensive as a standard monthly subscription (20 Gé¼ > 15 Gé¼). As long as a Plex is more expensive, no equilibrium price in ISK can be found. CCP will not be able to maintain this higher price anyway : there are players who pay with Plex only. If their ISK price don't stop raising, they will leave, and this is really not the moment (Elite: Dangerous is coming out in december, etc.) With the NGE, I'm sorry about the mistake we made. We screwed up and didn't listen to the fans when we should have, and it's not a mistake we're going to make again. - John Smedley, president of Sony Online Entertainment. CCP should do the same...
R3DRUM Wildly Inappropriate Goonswarm Federation 11	Posted - 2014.11.13 13:53:29 - [14] - Quote want plex prices to stop rising????? Stop buying them!!!!!! If no one buys prices go down till people buy. Stop being real life poor, get a JOB and by a year sub. Till then I will keep buying 5 plexes at a time and selling them for more isk each time
Tollen Gallen Glory of Reprisal Enterprise 8341	Posted - 2014.11.13 13:55:43 - [15] - Quote R3DRUM wrote: want plex prices to stop rising????? Stop buying them!!!!!! If no one buys prices go down till people buy. Stop being real life poor, get a JOB and buy a year sub. Till then I will keep buying 5 plexes at a time and selling them for more isk each time +1 Zimmy Zeta - I f*cking love martinis. the original ones, with gin, not that vodka martini crap. Your old Friends can use me for 7 days, free!!!
Abrazzar Vardaugas Family 5141	Posted - 2014.11.13 14:08:25 - [16] - Quote Want PLEX prices to drop? Are you affluent? Here's what you can do: Buy PLEXes for some $15k, spread them over every trade hub and keep consistently undercutting the lowest sell orders until market saturation is reached and prices plummet. It's a free market, dummy! Sovereignty and Population New Mining Mechanics
Dave Stark 7155	Posted - 2014.11.13 14:08:59 - [17] - Quote Ridvanson wrote: Dave Stark wrote: this is one of the worst ideas i've ever seen. and i visit the F&I forum. when you say 'worst', how bad you think is the idea? Like worst 5%? I dunno, i'm proably pretty jaded by all the time i've spent reading the bowhead feedback.
Ridvanson 16	Posted - 2014.11.13 14:22:56 - [18] - Quote Abrazzar wrote: It's a free market, dummy! I wrote as much in the OP, in fact I stated that the free market might prove to be a problem in this particular matter. PLEX are special items, not akin to any other in the game. It's reasonable to consider some special rules ... Again, iff CCP thinks is good for their game/business. Albeit, since their are not very forthcoming with any data on PLEX, it's hard to draw any conclusions for an outsider.
Doc Fury Furious Enterprises 7179	Posted - 2014.11.13 14:31:57 - [19] - Quote Yet another solution to a problem that does not exist. Gÿ+ The accumulated filth of all their sex and murder will foam up about their waists and all the ho's and politicians will look up and shout 'Save us!' and I'll look down, and whisper 'Hodor'.
Mr Epeen It's All About Me 6798	Posted - 2014.11.13 14:39:56 - [20] - Quote Once CCP sells the PLEX for RL cash, it's out of their hands. As it should be. They did their part and made them available to us. Once they are redeemed, it's the up to us, the sandbox economy, to figure it out. Just like everything else in the game. If we demand, then prices go up. If we all turn to CC subs, then prices go down. CCP should have no say in what happens to the price once it's in our hangars, and for the most part, they don't. Working as intended. Beside that, the guy that just yesterday bought 18 PLEX to buy one of my characters would have had to buy 20 or 25 if the ISK price were much lower. High prices help my business, so I can't really complain about it. Mr Epeen There are 86,400 seconds in a day. You just saved one of them by typing 'u' instead of 'you'.-á Congratulations, dumbass!
Baneken Arctic Light Inc. Arctic Light 374	Posted - 2014.11.13 14:40:05 - [21] - Quote Dave Stark wrote: Ridvanson wrote: Dave Stark wrote: this is one of the worst ideas i've ever seen. and i visit the F&I forum. when you say 'worst', how bad you think is the idea? Like worst 5%? I dunno, i'm proably pretty jaded by all the time i've spent reading the bowhead feedback. No kidding ? Some of those make you wish you could pod everyone of those knuckle draggers posting on that forum. Sometimes I should just pod my self as well for participating on that forum in the first place.
Delt0r Garsk Shits N Giggles 205	Posted - 2014.11.13 15:04:06 - [22] - Quote PLEX prices just went up you say. Nice will liquidate some more plex, or perhaps i should wait a while for it to go up higher. All the prices of everything (on average) is going up. Because there are more isk sources than sinks. Its really that simple. Otherwise its probably caused by global warming. Or ISboxer. Perhaps ISboxer causes global warming that then causes PLEX prices to rise! Death and Glory! Well fun is also good.
Eugene Kerner TunDraGon Cynosural Field Theory. 1417	Posted - 2014.11.13 15:07:31 - [23] - Quote I am already paying real life taxes for the product I purchase with real money. Adding another fictionlal Tax on it will not reduce the price on plex....it will increase it. TunDraGon is recruiting! "Also, your boobs [:o] " -á CCP Eterne, 2012 "When in doubt...make a di++k joke."-áRobin Williams - RIP
Salah ad-Din al-Jawahiri New Order Logistics CODE. 43	Posted - 2014.11.13 15:27:44 - [24] - Quote Ridvanson wrote: Abrazzar wrote: It's a free market, dummy! I wrote as much in the OP, in fact I stated that the free market might prove to be a problem in this particular matter. PLEX are special items, not akin to any other in the game. It's reasonable to consider some special rules ... Again, iff CCP thinks is good for their game/business. Albeit, since their are not very forthcoming with any data on PLEX, it's hard to draw any conclusions for an outsider. Why does the PLEX market need any special rules? Simply because you can't afford plexing your account(s) every month? Determined people grind for ISK. Smart people make the former voluntarily give them what they've grinded, strong people take it by force. People who don't want to bother with any of these options buy PLEX and sell it in the market. By paying for someone else's game time with real-life cash, they reward their determination, cleverness, or strength. Why are you biting the hand which is feeding you, OP? High PLEX prices make an incentive for your caretakers to buy more of them from CCP. And if others are using it them and you are not, it means you aren't determined/smart/strong enough compared to other players. tl;dr - HTFU and don't be so selfish. EDIT: Just to make it clear, I neither make ISK from selling PLEX nor pay for my accounts with ISK.
Ridvanson 16	Posted - 2014.11.13 16:03:07 - [25] - Quote Salah ad-Din al-Jawahiri wrote: EDIT: Just to make it clear, I neither make ISK from selling PLEX nor pay for my accounts with ISK. I make in excess of 1b/h, so I couldn't care less about PLEX prices. I was feeling bored and altruistic, hence I'm making an argument for the poor ;P As for higher prices creating an incentive for more players to buy PLEX with real $$: you can argue the same way that buying two PLEXes at 900m satisfies the same need today as buying three PLEXes at 600m only one year ago as prices of ships, mods, rigs and whatnot have largely remained stable (if not even dropped). Doc Fury wrote: Yet another solution to a problem that does not exist. If EVE looses subscription to high PLEX prices, it probably does constitute a problem. Delt0r Garsk wrote: Otherwise its probably caused by global warming. Or ISboxer. Perhaps ISboxer causes global warming that then causes PLEX prices to rise! I don't see CCP banning ISboxer, and I rather they didn't since I find it rather handy :P However, if they simply limited the number of accounts you were allowed to run as a single person similar to the Trial-Account limitation, that would be another story... But I doubt they would be interested in doing that ... and even if they did, it's probably hard to control technically.
Mehrune Khan Viziam Amarr Empire 10	Posted - 2014.11.13 16:17:28 - [26] - Quote Taxing PLEX would just increase the cost of PLEX. When in real life has a new tax made anything cheaper for you to buy?
Doc Fury Furious Enterprises 7179	Posted - 2014.11.13 16:22:46 - [27] - Quote Ridvanson wrote: If EVE looses subscription to high PLEX prices, it probably does constitute a problem. Then CCP looses the Kraken... A paid subscription after 11 years still only costs $15/mo or $10-11 when you pay annually. A PLEX also remains unchanged at approx $17.50 except when they go on sale. Where are these high prices that affect subscription numbers you speak of? Once PLEX enter the game what they cost in pixel-spacebux is up to players not CCP. Gÿ+ The accumulated filth of all their sex and murder will foam up about their waists and all the ho's and politicians will look up and shout 'Save us!' and I'll look down, and whisper 'Hodor'.
Jackie Fisher Syrkos Technologies Joint Venture Conglomerate 396	Posted - 2014.11.13 16:26:12 - [28] - Quote OP is Ed Miliband and I claim my -ú10. Fear God and Thread Nought
Ridvanson 16	Posted - 2014.11.13 16:36:04 - [29] - Quote Mehrune Khan wrote: Taxing PLEX would just increase the cost of PLEX. When in real life has a new tax made anything cheaper for you to buy? An additional tax is just an example for a means to prohibited players from messing with PLEX. Doc Fury wrote: Once PLEX enter the game what they cost in pixel-spacebux is up to players not CCP. As stated above, CCP is anyway interfering with the PLEX market in a rather direct fashion by giving them out for special events. Why not have mechanics take care of that .... Besides, it's not like there aren't any running costs for other activities in EVE already. Jackie Fisher wrote: OP is Ed Miliband and I claim my -ú10. That guy? I am not :P
Vincent Athena V.I.C.E. 2969	Posted - 2014.11.13 16:37:22 - [30] - Quote In economic theory there is something called Giffen good (good, as in "goods and services"). These are goods which have a reversed demand curve. That is, an increase in price results in an decrease in supply. It is possible that the PLEX is a Giffen good. To see how this could be, first let me recast what I mean by "the price of the PLEX". Consider how much Real Money (RM) I need to buy, say, 10 billion ISK via PLEX. As the ISK price of the PLEX increases, the price, in RM, of ISK is decreasing. I need to buy fewer PLEX to get 10 billion ISK. Normally one would expect this to increase the demand for ISK obtained via PLEX. As the RM cost of 10 billion ISK drops, more players will opt to make the purchase. But if the PLEX is a Giffen good, then the reverse happens. The mechanism may be: The number of people who would want a supercap is limited by the number of characters who have skills to fly them, not the super's price. Dropping the price of supers will have only a small effect on their demand. (I'm assuming a player does not want spare supers sitting about, they want most every one logged off in space with a pilot sitting in it.) A player with little ISK can buy a super by using Real Money to buy PLEX, selling the PLEX for ISK and buying the super. As the ISK value of a PLEX increases, the number of PLEX the player need buy goes down. Increased ISK price leads to reduced supply of PLEX. (Or, to put it another way, the decreasing price of ISK leads to decreasing demand for PLEX). This makes the PLEX a Giffen good. A numerical example: Say the ISK price of the PLEX increases by 10%. Any player deciding to make a big purchase now needs to buy 10% fewer PLEX. Lets say as a result of the better price, 5% more players decide to make such a purchase. Yes, the total players buying PLEX increases, and the total ISK bought increases, but as each now buys fewer PLEX, the total demand for PLEX goes down. Again, we have a Giffen good. http://vincentoneve.wordpress.com/
Doc Fury Furious Enterprises 7179	Posted - 2014.11.13 16:43:55 - [31] - Quote Ridvanson wrote: As stated above, CCP is anyway interfering with the PLEX market in a rather direct fashion by giving them out for special events. Why not have mechanics take care of that .... How much affect exactly do you think CCP giving out a few PLEX has on the overall PLEX market? Have mechanics take care of what (problem) exactly? You are arguing for changes to address a a non-existent problem based only on your assumptions. Gÿ+ The accumulated filth of all their sex and murder will foam up about their waists and all the ho's and politicians will look up and shout 'Save us!' and I'll look down, and whisper 'Hodor'.
Vincent Athena V.I.C.E. 2969	Posted - 2014.11.13 17:04:22 - [32] - Quote Jurico Elemenohpe wrote: Ka'Narlist wrote: If CCP wanted a more fluid plex market without a few ultra rich people hording them to drive prices higher and higher they would just give them an expiration date after which they become worthless. This way the market would crash with all those horded plex being thrown on the market and after this stabilize on a supply and demand value. But I really doubt something like his will happen. Theyd need to overhaul the 11y/o item and market code, because it doesn't allow for unique items to be traded, which is why we need to repackage. Actually, if CCP wanted expiration dates, what they could do is have PLEX being bought now be "Februarey 2015 PLEX" and they would expire at the end of Feb 2015. Next month they would be selling "March 2015 PLEX". and so on. At any given time there would be 4 different PLEX markets covering the current and next 3 months. Every month a new item would be added to the game, and an old one removed. It's the way the futures and options market works, I could see it being used in Eve. http://vincentoneve.wordpress.com/
OldWolf69 Applied Anarchy SpaceMonkey's Alliance 169	Posted - 2014.11.13 17:07:52 - [33] - Quote This strongly favours CCP, so why would they interfere? ...for now?
Bagrat Skalski Poseidaon 6201	Posted - 2014.11.13 17:42:45 - [34] - Quote Remoooove PLEX, problem solved. Recon makes them stronger
Vimsy Vortis Shoulda Checked Local Break-A-Wish Foundation 1781	Posted - 2014.11.13 17:50:08 - [35] - Quote High plex prices make buying plex as means to obtain isk more appealing. Why would CCP want to make prices go down?
TharOkha 0asis Group 938	Posted - 2014.11.13 17:54:38 - [36] - Quote so you really think that market manipulators bought all of the PLEX and then they set high buy orders on PLEX? As a "PLEX hoarder" i can tell you that you live in a conspiracy dream. CODE. Venture hunt contest in a nutshell
Crumplecorn Eve Cluster Explorations 1606	Posted - 2014.11.13 18:00:40 - [37] - Quote So you can play the game for free (in RL money terms), but that is not good enough, it has to be even more free. Right. Witty Image - Stream Not Liking this post hurts my RL feelings and will be considered harassment
Almethea Trans Stellar Express 180	Posted - 2014.11.13 18:01:32 - [38] - Quote Essack Leadae wrote: A tax ? What a joke... Elite: Dangerous is coming out in december, etc. removed some stuff talking about space poor in your post to keep the essential, and : "ahhhh finally, good news in the week" there's so many thing to fix in eve.... and they fix forum ! GJ! but ok i like it ! CCP Fozzie > AFK cloaking, however, is an entirely social form of power
Bagrat Skalski Poseidaon 6202	Posted - 2014.11.13 18:10:20 - [39] - Quote Incentive to buy and Hoard PLEX is driving people to develop certain gameplay altitude, they will buy many accounts and do the mass extracting ISK from NPC so they can afford more PLEX for themselves, and none for others. They will make it like Chinese sweatshop like with Chinese server. That will ruin, is ruining this game now, remove PLEX CCP, it is your only chance. Recon makes them stronger
Deck Cadelanne Exigent Circumstances CAStabouts 67	Posted - 2014.11.13 18:13:04 - [40] - Quote R3DRUM wrote: want plex prices to stop rising????? Stop buying them!!!!!! If no one buys prices go down till people buy. Stop being real life poor, get a JOB and buy a year sub. Till then I will keep buying 5 plexes at a time and selling them for more isk each time That be it. Simple supply v. demand. Maybe the more interesting question ought to be whether it is supply decreasing, demand increasing or both...and the natural question of why? *"When the going gets weird, the weird turn professional."* - Hunter S. Thompson
Deck Cadelanne Exigent Circumstances CAStabouts 67	Posted - 2014.11.13 18:16:45 - [41] - Quote Bagrat Skalski wrote: Incentive to buy and Hoard PLEX is driving people to develop certain gameplay altitude, they will buy many accounts and do the mass extracting ISK from NPC so they can afford more PLEX for themselves, and none for others. They will make it like Chinese sweatshop like with Chinese server. That will ruin, is ruining this game now, remove PLEX CCP, it is your only chance. You really don't get it. A large percentage of EVE players pay no real life cash to play this game. A smaller percentage are happy to spend more real life cash to obtain wealth in the game. CCP has created a mechanism by which the players who won't pay are offset by those who will pay extra. Take away plex and you drive away a huge number of players and quite possible kill the game by killing the revenue stream. PLEX prices will only matter when the number of PLEX being purchased for real life cash starts to go down. Then we will have a problem. *"When the going gets weird, the weird turn professional."* - Hunter S. Thompson
Bagrat Skalski Poseidaon 6202	Posted - 2014.11.13 18:19:07 - [42] - Quote This: Quote: A large percentage of EVE players pay no real life cash to play this game. A smaller percentage are happy to spend more real life cash to obtain wealth in the game. is slowly shifting to that: A smaller percentage are happy to spend more real life cash to obtain wealth in the game. A smaller percentage of EVE players pay no real life cash to play this game. But the prices will not drop, because there will be still more PLEX to hoard. Recon makes them stronger
Syn Shi School of Applied Knowledge Caldari State 61	Posted - 2014.11.13 18:37:47 - [43] - Quote PLEX is just CCP sanctioned RMT. The idea of using it to pay a sub is a by product of its real intent. Sell in game currency and make it not look like RMT. The fact that you are getting more isk for buck is a good thing, Unless prices for everything is creeping up then.....duh duh duh. Take off tinfoil hat.
Bullock Brawn Brawny inc 32	Posted - 2014.11.13 19:06:53 - [44] - Quote Plex should be whatever the market dictates. I personally hope it goes the way of the Chinese servers... + 3B each or more.. Anything to make this game more interesting and difficult for players who don't/won't sub.
Bagrat Skalski Poseidaon 6202	Posted - 2014.11.13 19:09:01 - [45] - Quote Syn Shi wrote: Take off tinfoil hat. Recent times, more powerful rigs, same EVE minimal requirements for a long time, IS Boxer (Group Size: 256 ), multiboxing allowed, accounts promotions, changes in incursions so you can run them 24/7, increases in PLEX price more frequent and stronger. Coincidence!!? Recon makes them stronger
Liannia Nolen Science and Trade Institute Caldari State 2	Posted - 2014.11.13 19:10:09 - [46] - Quote just remove plex from the game, problem solved, no more plex prices are too high threads either so win win :)
Vincent Athena V.I.C.E. 2970	Posted - 2014.11.13 19:18:49 - [47] - Quote Vimsy Vortis wrote: High plex prices make buying plex as means to obtain isk more appealing. Why would CCP want to make prices go down? Because it might make it only a little more appealing. For example: PLEX gets 10% more expensive. Players decide to get 5% more ISK as a result. But, this requires buying 5% LESS PLEX due to the change in the values of the PLEX. CCP loses sales. http://vincentoneve.wordpress.com/
Good Posting Reloaded My Real Mind 20	Posted - 2014.11.13 19:48:08 - [48] - Quote Taxes are solidarity. I don't want to live in a guetto eve with millions of capsuleers living on foodstamps like in some supposed first world countries.
Jax Kazen Prometheus Deep Space Mining and Salvage 31	Posted - 2014.11.13 19:57:20 - [49] - Quote You can't manipulate something that has an unlimited supply. Ultimately, PLEX prices are being driven by what people are willing to pay for them not what people are trying to sell them for. If you look at the median price on PLEX it hovers right at the Buy price versus the sell price. The volume isn't being driven by people trying to sell them for 900M isk (as an example) it's being driven by people who are willing to buy them for 830M isk. So that is what you have to question - why are people willing to pay 100M isk more today than they were a couple of months ago? While I have no information to support this, I bet that the majority of PLEX transaction are instant buy out of game / instant sell in game vs liquidation of acquired assets.

ISD LackOfFaith ISD Community Communications Liaisons 1823	Posted - 2014.11.13 20:09:26 - [50] - Quote Thread has been moved to Features & Ideas Discussion. ISD LackOfFaith Captain Community Communication Liaisons (CCLs) Interstellar Services Department I do not respond to Eve Mail or anything other than the forums.

ISD LackOfFaith ISD Community Communications Liaisons 1823	Posted - 2014.11.13 20:11:52 - [51] - Quote On topic: this idea amuses me greatly. No clue whether it would be good or bad for Eve, but "Icelandic video game passes solidarity measures to combat inflation" would be a great gaming news headline. ISD LackOfFaith Captain Community Communication Liaisons (CCLs) Interstellar Services Department I do not respond to Eve Mail or anything other than the forums.
R3DRUM Wildly Inappropriate Goonswarm Federation 16	Posted - 2014.11.13 20:13:40 - [52] - Quote For me i would never want to spend my day grinding isk to pay for a game altho I am space poor and have not found a way to make 500m in the 5h a day I have to play this game. i find it easier to pay 130$ for a year sub on 3 accounts and spend my game time shooting up other peoples stuff. i buy 5 gtc every couple of months and do a little ratting,Pi and exploration. and i just dont see why you would want to try too hard just to make isk to play and have fun.
Jur Tissant The TERRA Guardians of Serenity 302	Posted - 2014.11.13 20:22:05 - [53] - Quote Regardless of whether or not you PLEX your account, you must realize that many players do and that this is one of the appeals of EVE - an effectively F2P game without the F2P business model. And no, PLEXing does not require you to make EVE your second job, there are plenty of ways to make the ISK while having fun. I really think the rising PLEX prices are going to drive new-ish players away because $180 a year is a lot to pay for any video game. Pure supply and demand has its flaws, one being that the richer players get to set the PLEX prices. A tax? No. To be honest, I would prefer that CCP put an NPC-sold PLEX on the market at 1 billion ISK. Now, none of these would ever actually sell (because player PLEX sellers would always offer a lower price) but it would provide a hard cap on PLEX prices. This could be adjusted for inflation periodically.
Korwin Abre-Kai lichfield exploration and salvage 0	Posted - 2014.11.13 20:35:09 - [54] - Quote the elephant in the room here is ISK inflation that is what is driving the price of PLEX. according to CCPs head economist PLEX acts in game as gold does in an actual economy so what the price spike is saying is that the economy is overloaded with cheap (in terms of game time spent) money. what needs addressing are the factors that drive in game inflation / ISK devaluation. these are any activity that seeds ISK directly in to the game the two main ones being mission rewards and NPC bounties both would need to nerfed in to the ground and inversely linked directly to ISK sinks in such a way that CCP can control the total volume of currency in the game. this will NEVER happen too many players do not even remotely understand the difference between medium of exchange and actual value and would FREAK out if any real effort were made to deflate the economy or even stabilize it
Havenard Rubicon Spears Some Say 5	Posted - 2014.11.13 21:02:42 - [55] - Quote The real villan here is not the market, taxation system or the "greedy" sellers, while there are people willing to pay high prices for PLEX they will continue to supply for the most profitable value. I too would love to have affordable PLEX and be able to confortably play for free, but its not going to happen and its not the market's fault. I rather spend $15 bucks in a subscription. Its real money but I make that much faster than I can make 900m ISK, so in terms of "work time / benefict" I have no problem with that, after all, Time is the only immutable currency isn't it? Now lets face it, how many trillionaires are there in EVE that could possibly be storing PLEX in hundreds to cause inflation? More than a few I think, but probably not so many that would cause all this. So who else could possibly be willing to pay whatever they ask for PLEX without batting on eye? Well, bots of course! There are bots everywhere in EVE. I have personally witnessed a fleet of chinese bots doing Incursion sites, identical ships with sequenced names moving all together like a freaking shoal of sardines. A fleet like that can make at least a couple tens of trillions per day, and I can assure you the guy behind this is not spending $350 dollars every month to keep his 40 accounts running. This is where the PLEXes are going, and making so much money they will pay whatever is being asked. If CCP is to do something to fix PLEX inflation, it is banning those bots.
Veers Belvar Swordmasters of New Eden 273	Posted - 2014.11.14 00:40:40 - [56] - Quote Terrible idea. PLEX prices are based on the supply and demand for Plex. The reason that demand is so high is because all other goods are viewed as poor stores of value? Why is that - because mining/farming are too easy, and too bot/boxable, meaning Eve is flooded with cheap commodites that deflates everything except for Plex. Result - people quite properly invest all their ISK in Plex as the only reliable hedge against inflation. Solution? Not some crazy tax scheme - rather make mining interactive and get rid of ISBoxer.
Arthur Aihaken X A X 3918	Posted - 2014.11.14 00:51:15 - [57] - Quote Ridvanson wrote: So once again, prices are going ballistic (+100m in less than a month), probably due to Phoebe and a handful of clever trillionaires that like to capitalize on poor people. PLEX prices are increasing because there are fewer players buying PLEX for in-game purchases and more players looking to play for free via PLEX'ing their various accounts. This is further compounded by players converting to paid subscription terms since they no longer need to buy or convert PLEX to game time. We'll almost certainly break $1-billion ISK per PLEX before the end of the year, and I think $1.5-billion ISK per PLEX for 2015 isn't entirely unrealistic, either. I am currently away, traveling through time and will be returning last week.
Lyra Gerie Garoun Investment Bank Gallente Federation 41	Posted - 2014.11.14 01:01:54 - [58] - Quote With their new dev cycle and the content their introducing I don't actually see CCP intervening in the plex market this time. It makes more sense for them to stay out and let it run on it's own economics. Right now with all the new content eve is in a prime place to gain subscribers both old players and new. This means more people who might want a head start on their characters isk wise or buying enough to be able to purchase a character from the bazaar. The only way plex will change now is if the demand goes down or the supply goes up. What I explained above would show how the supply could go up as players plex for isk to boost themselves, but with it's price at it's current level there are also many players who could just stop buying plex at it's current price which would also drop it. Given that both of these scenarios are likely (so long as CCP keeps up with these awesome updates) the plex market will either crash back to reasonable levels (below 650m) or CCP will finally be forced to step in should it get ridiculous like being more then a pirate faction battleship or capital ship in price. Until that point though I don't think CCP has any reason to step in at the moment.
CW Itovuo The Executioners Capital Punishment. 45	Posted - 2014.11.14 03:19:03 - [59] - Quote Mehrune Khan wrote: Taxing PLEX would just increase the cost of PLEX. When in real life has a new tax made anything cheaper for you to buy? If you like your PLEX care plan, you'll be able to keep your PLEX care plan. Period. No one will take it away. No matter what.
Jurico Elemenohpe Laughing Coffin's 4	Posted - 2014.11.14 10:18:47 - [60] - Quote Bagrat Skalski wrote: Syn Shi wrote: Take off tinfoil hat. Recent times, more powerful rigs, same EVE minimal requirements for a long time, IS Boxer (Group Size: 256 ), multiboxing allowed, accounts promotions, changes in incursions so you can run them 24/7, increases in PLEX price more frequent and stronger. Coincidence!!? Because there are so many computers that normal people have access to that can run 256 clients at once, right? Even with multiple computers, it ends up being tens of thousands of dollars. And still laggy. And complicated as hell to run. And probably not in sync. Account promotions? Those are to.. Oh, I don't know.. Get people to resub or start playing? What do increases in PLEX price have to do with CCP? It's called a player driven market for a reason. Multiboxing will probably never kill games. I know MMORPGs that have the equivalent of PLEX, people make money multiboxing and that game isn't dying any faster because of it. Yeaah. Because people can stay up 23/7, right? And sure, it might introduce more isk into the game.. But I think there'd be less pvp if they nerfed it, because of how many people run incursions on an alt to fund PvP.
Bagrat Skalski Poseidaon 6232	Posted - 2014.11.14 11:18:09 - [61] - Quote Jurico Elemenohpe wrote: Bagrat Skalski wrote: Syn Shi wrote: Take off tinfoil hat. Recent times, more powerful rigs, same EVE minimal requirements for a long time, IS Boxer (Group Size: 256 ), multiboxing allowed, accounts promotions, changes in incursions so you can run them 24/7, increases in PLEX price more frequent and stronger. Coincidence!!? Because there are so many computers that normal people have access to that can run 256 clients at once, right? Even with multiple computers, it ends up being tens of thousands of dollars. And still laggy. And complicated as hell to run. And probably not in sync. Account promotions? Those are to.. Oh, I don't know.. Get people to resub or start playing? What do increases in PLEX price have to do with CCP? It's called a player driven market for a reason. Multiboxing will probably never kill games. I know MMORPGs that have the equivalent of PLEX, people make money multiboxing and that game isn't dying any faster because of it. Yeaah. Because people can stay up 23/7, right? And sure, it might introduce more isk into the game.. But I think there'd be less pvp if they nerfed it, because of how many people run incursions on an alt to fund PvP. You are exaggerating, I did not exaggerate, I only posted those things that allow people to multibox with 40 accoounts and PvP in those 40 accounts. 256 is still a call of future. There was a 40 account multiboxer that won fight with other multiboxer that had less accounts but he was with a fleet of real people too. Skill or technology? Maybe both, but with PLEX in the background. PLEX that can be earned by those 40 accounts. And the price this multiboxer dictate is so high, it doesn't allow 39 other real people to have it. They can stop playing or use the real money. Some people don't think that this game is worth the second option. In extremity it can be -39 less real players you can talk to and extract tears. Playerbase would effectively shrink. Recon makes them stronger
Delt0r Garsk Shits N Giggles 208	Posted - 2014.11.14 12:16:24 - [62] - Quote This isboxer rage is hilarious. 40 accounts requires 40x more isk to plex. And no its not 40x easier to make isk with 40 accounts. Its probably quite a huge reduction in isk per account per hour in fact. In another thread "isboxers are paid subs, they can't afford to lose that....", this thread they are all plexers, in the incursion thread they are probably sleeper spies ready to pounce, and in some sub forum they are probably the zombie Apocalypse in internet pixel space ship form. Seriously get over it. Multiboxing and isboxer is not something new and not just in eve. HTFU already. Or play WoW or Star Citizen that has not of that. Oh wait..... Death and Glory! Well fun is also good.
Alvatore DiMarco Capricious Endeavours Ltd 3082	Posted - 2014.11.14 12:40:22 - [63] - Quote Ridvanson wrote: Dave Stark wrote: this is one of the worst ideas i've ever seen. and i visit the F&I forum. when you say 'worst', how bad you think is the idea? Like worst 5%? This is the worst idea in the history of F&I. Literally the worst. How bad is it? Report-you-for-trolling bad. But I won't. Because you're not. You're just ... special.

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