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Al Bundy
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Posted - 2003.10.14 12:08:00 -
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I see alot of people nowadays that are in Megathrons or Domonix with Tachyon Beams and absolutely no Large Hybrids. I'm a bit confused as to why.
Not why they're using Tachyon Beams. Since it's power is well known. But when they don't just get Apocs and Geds. They don't use large hybrids at all so all their ship bonus is out the door, plus they spend the same amount of money. Less cap, less cap recharge, with more cap use...there must be some reason. Anyone care to tackle this one?
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ULTIMA TREX
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Posted - 2003.10.14 12:33:00 -
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Hybrids Suck. nice n simple.
My m8 uses 425mm's and i use Tachyons. i keep hearing him say his 250's are better. but they still do their justice, just not aswell as Tachyons.
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vyperpit
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Posted - 2003.10.14 13:31:00 -
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tachs can dish out way more damage and its a fact. 425's are ok but are sorly lacking compard to the tachs. i still use 425's on my gal and caldari ships. but i use tachs on the arma you need to play to your ships strengths.
caldari have to be the best for 425's though with high bs skills and a booster you get huge ranges.. 100km+ great for rat farminig.
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Gunnier
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Posted - 2003.10.14 14:41:00 -
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hybrids do not suck they kick ASS!!!! all you need is a good afterburner to get close to your victium scramble him then wale on him with the most powerfull guns in GAME!!!!! You should try using them before you say they suck 
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Al Bundy
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Posted - 2003.10.14 14:44:00 -
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Er guys, look at my question again.
I'm not asking, "Why use Tachs?"
I'm asking, "Why not get Amarr battleships if you're just gonna use Tachs as large weapons instead of Gallente?"
The only big difference is drone capacity. And at the battleship level, who cares, you can kill just about any NPC pirate without drones easily. In PVP, drones are only used to lag up the screen for the opponent, so just pack like 10 light drones.
They don't have more mid slots, they don't have more low slots. They have less cap.
You throw away every bonus on the Gallente Battleship Skills PLUS you lose the bonuses on the Amarr Battleship skills? If you're gonna use Tachys (remember, I'm NOT SAYING DON'T USE THEM), why put them on Gallente Battleships?
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dalman
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Posted - 2003.10.14 14:49:00 -
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Well:
*425mm and dual 250mm sucks (and they are for Caldari ships, though no Caldari use them)
*Your supposed to run 6 or 7 large blaster on a Gallente battleship and be a close range fighter. (more use of all your drones too )
*If you want to use Tachyons you should be in an Apoc.
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vyperpit
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Posted - 2003.10.14 14:54:00 -
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Er guys, look at my question again.
I'm not asking, "Why use Tachs?"
I'm asking, "Why not get Amarr battleships if you're just gonna use Tachs as large weapons instead of Gallente?"
lol so you are oh well ..
simple personal choice or lack of isk to change there minds..
no simple way around it. it would make sense for them to use race items with right ships but not all will or do.
all i can say is there loss...
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Alan Bell
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Posted - 2003.10.14 15:33:00 -
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maybe its the fact that the ammo is .25 units per shot.....with large hybrids
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Plasmatique
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Posted - 2003.10.14 15:53:00 -
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I use tachyons on my Raven to hunt NPC's.
Why not get an apoc or arma? I probably will, someday. For now I can PvP with Raven with a few module swaps. Raven is better suited to me for PvP while being adequate at NPC hunting.
Large Hybrids might get some love in the future, when that time comes I'll be ready.
The fact that everybody uses tachs on their battleships probably shows an imbalance, IMO.
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Proud Owner of a Navy Issue Raven
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dalman
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Posted - 2003.10.14 16:23:00 -
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maybe its the fact that the ammo is .25 units per shot.....with large hybrids
Well, NPC's is another thing...
I can't believe there are battleship pilots not using lasers for chaining.
But for PvP a Gallante should use large blasters.
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Al Bundy
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Posted - 2003.10.15 02:49:00 -
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simple personal choice or lack of isk to change there minds..
no simple way around it. it would make sense for them to use race items with right ships but not all will or do.
all i can say is there loss...
I guess I can understand those motivations. I just thought there was something more...
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Archemedes
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Posted - 2003.10.15 05:08:00 -
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Don't forget the 1-2 weeks to LEARN Amarr battleship skill (assuming you don't have any Amarr ship skills to begin with). Amarr Frigate 4 takes a couple days and Amarr Cruiser 4 takes a week (roughly), and who's to say by then the next patch won't boost hybrids or nerf lasers? 
Personally, I do fly Amarr ships for this very reason. Lasers are great, large ammo is a pain, and half a dozen heavy drones is plenty for NPC protection while I mine (I really don't want to be close enough to USE drones in PVP). But if I already HAD a Gallente battleship, I'd think twice about using up time that COULD be increasing my gunnery / engineering skills to get an Apoc. Or train that Gallente Battleship skill on up to 4... a 20% damage boost is nothing to laugh at. Considering large blasters are ALREADY the most damaging weapons in the game, they look like the way to go for PVP. You just need a lot of high gunnery, electronics, and engineering skills to make it work well. I've often heard Gallente battleships called "high skill" ships and I believe it.
Imagine orbiting a webbed ship at 4k with blasters and a large smartbomb going... their tachyon beams are useless at that range, and if they fire a torp then the smartbomb is liable to blow it up in their face! Seems like a possible solution to the "missiles pushing me out of blaster range" problem.
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Jash Illian
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Posted - 2003.10.15 05:26:00 -
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Easy answer Al:
Purely for looks 
I mean its like you want corporations to oblige each other like its sex or something. Pffft I would rather **** my enemy.- Rohann
Be careful out there. That other guy waiting in the queue for the gate MIGHT be a baby-munching frock-burner, YOU JUST DON'T KNOW!- Lallante |
Luc Boye
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Posted - 2003.10.15 06:26:00 -
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w00t no reply from Dragon Emperor yet??? 
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Novo DuPont
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Posted - 2003.10.15 08:13:00 -
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I have a Megathron but mostly use tachs for 3 simple reasons in stead of Ammar:
To much time and money wasted to Learn that skill and get the ship for it.
Drone space
AND
EVENTUALLY they will either fix 425 mm guns
OR (this I would think is better)
CCP will add a Hybrid rail version of the tach.
When you concider that a tach with radio crystals and no damage mods can avg 200 to 225 damage at 70 km out that the reason for now....
BUT DAMN IT DEV's get off you asses and start fixing basic stuff like weapon damage and large ammo size 
"To succeed greatly one must sacrifice greatly"
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Fuse
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Posted - 2003.10.16 11:20:00 -
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Hybrids are a real pain and not worth it now... They really need to release a larger version of the hybrid guns that generate their own ammo. Or a mod that can make the ammo out of your loot. I can't believe they nerfed the Hybrids . They were good almost worth the trouble. It seems CCP is playing the nerf and delay features game like Electronic Arts with Earth and Beyond-Boring. If you nerf something you should give something. Having us train a certain type of ship and weapon and then taking it away is just cruel. I use to think CCP are better than EA, I am not so sure now.
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