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Liz Laser Blood Tribe Inc Circle-Of-Two 73	Posted - 2014.11.14 00:36:03 - [1] - Quote I left the game just as Odyssey was going to be released. I just returned last week. One debate point from the Odyssey dev blog has probably been resolved, and I'm curious what the results were... I had argued in the Odyssey dev blog that you can't flog high-sec industry/mining players into null by making high-sec less rewarding. I seriously doubt CCP ran the census I suggested they run before and after that patch, so I doubt there is an OBJECTIVE proof that I was wrong or right. I am curious to hear people's subjective opinions on whether high-sec players moved en-masse to null to follow the isk, like many posters told me they would. Just to be clear, I have always wanted null to be the best place to do ANYTHING, I was just skeptical that players who had avoided null could be flogged into it. So, how did it turn out?
Jvpiter Jovelike 74	Posted - 2014.11.14 00:41:48 - [2] - Quote I'd do anything for a good flogging. I have no idea what you're talking about.
Paranoid Loyd 2608	Posted - 2014.11.14 00:42:35 - [3] - Quote Nice b8 m8 "Gankers are just other players, not supernatural monsters who will get you if you don't follow some arbitrary superstition. Haul responsibly and without irrational fear." Masao Kurata
Liz Laser Blood Tribe Inc Circle-Of-Two 73	Posted - 2014.11.14 01:06:45 - [4] - Quote Jvpiter wrote: I'd do anything for a good flogging. I have no idea what you're talking about. It was a debate in this 50 page threadnaught devblog comments thread prior to Odyssey's release. https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=2945312#post2945312 tldr The CSM wanted CCP to do stuff to push high-sec players into null-sec. Odyssey was CCP's answer. My real life got too busy to stay in Eve, so I didn't get to see the results, but had always been curious what happened.
Jvpiter Jovelike 75	Posted - 2014.11.14 01:11:36 - [5] - Quote In the linked thread you are talking about making it less likely that null players will need to go to hisec for Tritanium. You are speaking against a nullsec buff. It doesn't match your original post in the least. Please clarify.
Liz Laser Blood Tribe Inc Circle-Of-Two 73	Posted - 2014.11.14 02:52:12 - [6] - Quote Jvpiter wrote: In the linked thread you are talking about making it less likely that null players will need to go to hisec for Tritanium. You are speaking against a nullsec buff. It doesn't match your original post in the least. Please clarify. I'm not sure exactly which of my many posts in that thread you refer to, but 1) Null-sec had NO SHORTAGE of unmined Veldspar pre-Odyssey. 2) Null-sec also had the high-end ores that sell well in all secs. So null was already the best place to mine as far as making isk. Oddyssey adding trit to high end ores was more of an attempt to make high-sec less necessary by letting null get trit while mining the high-ends ores that sell well in all secs, without stooping to mine Veldspar. Yes that's good for null, so you can call it a buff, but it's bad for high-sec by making them less needed and was one of many things meant to flog players out of high-sec into null. And one of my worries was that it would lead to LESS HAULING between null and high-sec, which means less content and less conflict. I want null to be the best place to mine/rat/plex, but I also want to see hauling. In the classic sense, who would play a pirate game when there's no treasure being hauled? So, I'm often torn between what will make my life more enjoyable in null, and what's best for the game overall. I'm not so null-centric that I want to see high-sec unsubscribe. But even in that thread I admitted that I was occasionally positing ideas against some of my own points. I was (like everyone else that month) still trying to wrap my head around the new changes and their ramifications.
Xercodo Vector Galactic Did he say Jump 3835	Posted - 2014.11.14 03:05:38 - [7] - Quote In a sense it did...sort of. ABCs tanked and for a while hemo, hed, and jaspet were the top dogs (aside from Mercoxit which is always higher) Then they added Crius, which completely redid industry and how reprocessing mechanics worked resulting in it being impossible to get 100% refine in higshec ever again, even with a POS. Additionally they buffed the amount of minerals in all ores so that the raw minerals coming from those ores was still roughly the same in highsec even though the reprocess efficiency went down. At the same time they gave buffs to the nullsec outposts reprocessing by increasing the base yield before skills. Yet another nullsec buff, and ironically, the values of the rarer ores tanked again, I assume due to over-mining of them (compression makes transporting ores out of hostile zones infinitely easier too) or due to some material changes in blueprints as part of the indy overhaul in Crius. However, this was all part of CCP's master plan, as Phoebe, that just came out, heavily nerfed jump drives, so much so they have allowed capitals to use stargates. The JFs have had their max range brought to 10LY and all non-gate or WH jumps will now enact a jump timer with fatigue. Haulers and JFs got a large reduction to fatigue generated, but it's still a nerf to the logistic capabilities for nullsec as a whole. And once CCP is happy with the state of null industry they'll likely remove the bonuses the haulers get and drop the JF to 5 LY like everything else. Currently, Gneiss, Kernite and Plag are the top 3 after Mercoxit. Mexallon is in high demand apparently. The Drake is a Lie
Jvpiter Jovelike 76	Posted - 2014.11.14 04:05:11 - [8] - Quote Liz Laser wrote: Yes that's good for null, so you can call it a buff, but it's bad for high-sec by making them less needed and was one of many things meant to flog players out of high-sec into null. I like how enthusiastic you are about "flogging", and as stated before I quite enjoy it myself, but allow me to ask you a question. Is it so bad if CCP made a change that resulted in a measurable exodus of the player alt base from high to null?
Serene Repose 1622	Posted - 2014.11.14 14:43:48 - [9] - Quote Posting to a thread on a subject I obviously know nothing about. I try mining now and then, just to keep my hand in. I have my dog trained to jump on me in fifteen minute intervals to lick me in the face as a comatose prevention method. It seems to work. But, that's licking, not flogging. I wonder if I could get someone to come in....house calls.... I have sworn upon the altar of God eternal hostility toward every form of tyranny over the mind of man.-á
Xavier Holtzman Imploding Turtles Rising in Outerspace Gravity Fatal Ascension 221	Posted - 2014.11.14 14:53:06 - [10] - Quote Posting in a stealth "Tell me I was right" / "I told you so" thread. I do not like the men on this spaceship. They are uncouth and fail to appreciate my better qualities. I have something of value to contribute to this mission if only they would realize it. - Bill Frug
Soldarius Deadman W0nderland The 99 Percent 879	Posted - 2014.11.14 15:05:47 - [11] - Quote OP reactivated account just so he/she can go on about how he/she left Eve because of Odyssey. What's wrong with this picture? "Remember remember the 4th of November!" Phoebe. Coming soon to Eve Online.
Liz Laser Blood Tribe Inc Circle-Of-Two 73	Posted - 2014.11.14 15:11:21 - [12] - Quote Jvpiter wrote: Liz Laser wrote: Yes that's good for null, so you can call it a buff, but it's bad for high-sec by making them less needed and was one of many things meant to flog players out of high-sec into null. I like how enthusiastic you are about "flogging", and as stated before I quite enjoy it myself, but allow me to ask you a question. Is it so bad if CCP made a change that resulted in a measurable exodus of the player alt base from high to null? Consensual flogging might be the best activity ever invented by humankind. A measurable exodus from high to null would be great. I was simply skeptical it would occur with the announced changes. I'm in null now and I'm not seeing the "thriving vibrant null-sec industrial economy" that some CSM apologists/cheerleaders were promising pre-Odyssey. But I'll admit I've only looked around in one null region's market. It's possible there's a great industrial economy below the surface (or elsewhere in null) and maybe the markets look empty due to a recent war, or because it all got shipped elsewhere, or even because people here prefer to PvP and ignore industry. I've only been there for a few hours of gametime and will need to travel more before I can decide if I, as a self described failed null-sec industrialist, would want to give industry another try. In the meantime I can be perfectly happy doing the PvP I came out to null to do.
Liz Laser Blood Tribe Inc Circle-Of-Two 73	Posted - 2014.11.14 15:13:57 - [13] - Quote Serene Repose wrote: Posting to a thread on a subject I obviously know nothing about. I try mining now and then, just to keep my hand in. I have my dog trained to jump on me in fifteen minute intervals to lick me in the face as a comatose prevention method. It seems to work. But, that's licking, not flogging. I wonder if I could get someone to come in....house calls.... I've suggested that mining (in all secs) ought to be a more involving and entertaining activity where players are rushing around from place to place.
Liz Laser Blood Tribe Inc Circle-Of-Two 73	Posted - 2014.11.14 15:22:08 - [14] - Quote Soldarius wrote: OP reactivated account just so he/she can go on about how he/she left Eve because of Odyssey. What's wrong with this picture? No, the reality is: OP re-activated account because OP has once again developed the leisure to PvP in null. Being in sov null is a serious time obligation. Back then I didn't have this much leisure (and I still don't have lots and lots), and had moved to high-sec looking for some small chunks of entertainment when I had 45 minutes, and not finding it, I let my subscription run out. If I didn't have the time for sov warfare, I'd once again unsubscribe. High sec is STILL not entertaining to me.
ISD LackOfFaith ISD Community Communications Liaisons 1828	Posted - 2014.11.14 15:27:24 - [15] - Quote A ton of stuff has happened since Odyssey. It's been one and a half years, with 6 expansions, almost all of which had impacts on the livability in different areas of space. I think you're going to find it very hard to isolate the effects of ore changes on nullsec vs hisec life, when the same stuff has been impacted by new deployables, new ships, industry interface overhaul, reprocessing/refinement changes, invention changes, and a serious hit to fast long distance travel (plus other stuff, I'm sure). Eve's metagame and cross-region balance has changed, but try to not attribute it solely (or even primarily) to just one of the many contributing factors. Ed: Also, welcome back! ISD LackOfFaith Captain Community Communication Liaisons (CCLs) Interstellar Services Department I do not respond to Eve Mail or anything other than the forums.
Liz Laser Blood Tribe Inc Circle-Of-Two 73	Posted - 2014.11.14 15:29:36 - [16] - Quote Xavier Holtzman wrote: Posting in a stealth "Tell me I was right" / "I told you so" thread. In the old thread I admitted to being a failed null-sec industrialist. While being told I was right about Odyssey might be satisfying to my ego, being told that I was horribly wrong, with examples of the thriving and vibrant null-sec industrial economy flourishing thanks to Odyssey, is the answer I'd love to hear. I've admitted to being wrong before, and THAT thread is one I'd really like to be wrong about. But I got all my voice comms up and working last night, so now I can just fly around and see for myself.
Nicolai Serkanner Jebediah Kerman's Junkyard and Spaceship Parts Co. Brave Collective 221	Posted - 2014.11.14 15:32:27 - [17] - Quote Serene Repose wrote: Posting to a thread on a subject I obviously know nothing about. I try mining now and then, just to keep my hand in. I have my dog trained to jump on me in fifteen minute intervals to lick me in the face as a comatose prevention method. It seems to work. But, that's licking, not flogging. I wonder if I could get someone to come in....house calls.... If you don't have a mining permit somebody will make a house call in your system soonGäó.
Liz Laser Blood Tribe Inc Circle-Of-Two 73	Posted - 2014.11.14 15:32:57 - [18] - Quote ISD LackOfFaith wrote: A ton of stuff has happened since Odyssey. It's been one and a half years, with 6 expansions, almost all of which had impacts on the livability in different areas of space. I think you're going to find it very hard to isolate the effects of ore changes on nullsec vs hisec life, when the same stuff has been impacted by new deployables, new ships, industry interface overhaul, reprocessing/refinement changes, invention changes, and a serious hit to fast long distance travel (plus other stuff, I'm sure). Eve's metagame and cross-region balance has changed, but try to not attribute it solely (or even primarily) to just one of the many contributing factors. Ed: Also, welcome back! Thanks. That makes sense. I was just always curious about that patch, but I'm learning to be just as curious about all the patches since then. e.g. interceptors!!! :-)
Liz Laser Blood Tribe Inc Circle-Of-Two 73	Posted - 2014.11.14 15:35:34 - [19] - Quote Nicolai Serkanner wrote: Serene Repose wrote: Posting to a thread on a subject I obviously know nothing about. I try mining now and then, just to keep my hand in. I have my dog trained to jump on me in fifteen minute intervals to lick me in the face as a comatose prevention method. It seems to work. But, that's licking, not flogging. I wonder if I could get someone to come in....house calls.... If you don't have a mining permit somebody will make a house call in your system soonGäó. So, I can pay $15 a month for a world famous PvP game and then pay in game currency to get LESS PvP? What a deal!
Nat Silverguard Aideron Robotics 49	Posted - 2014.11.14 19:15:50 - [20] - Quote Liz Laser wrote: So, I can pay $15 a month for a world famous PvP game and then pay in game currency to get LESS PvP? What a deal! wat? Just Add Water

Chribba Otherworld Enterprises Otherworld Empire 13241	Posted - 2014.11.14 19:28:08 - [21] - Quote Fist reply on page two! Whooooo! Yes it's awesome! /c GÿàGÿàGÿà Secure 3rd party service GÿàGÿàGÿà Visit my in-game channel 'Holy Veldspar' Twitter @Chribba

Bagrat Skalski Poseidaon 6270	Posted - 2014.11.14 19:40:34 - [22] - Quote Odyssey was just a prelude to Rubicon, but thru Rubicon Odyssey shined. Recon makes them stronger
SpaceSaft Capts Deranged Cavaliers Gentlemen's.Club 99	Posted - 2014.11.14 20:15:22 - [23] - Quote Let's look at the features: http://www.eveonline.com/odyssey/ Exploration site changes Were 33% (loot spew) reversed and had 66% no impact. The minigame is only more interesting than wathcing cycles if you like cow clickers. Exploration career missions NPE changes, didn't affect 99% of the player base and I doubt it's the thing that will pull people in. Radial Navigation tool Only works on player or objects in space so it's not a replacement for the right click, only adding complexity not usabillity. Navy BCs Null sec production Tags for sec status Yaaay for everyone who gets it's sec status screwed by bad FW mechanics and pirates. Visuals Eyecandy Starbase "Improvements" Nothing too impressive to be honest. Nothing to do with exploration Atmospheric sounds A lot of people complained about MWD sounds iirc. Now we have individual volume sliders for each source but that only came in rubicon. Lore Dual character Training Nice if you can afford it Sensor Overlay Eye candy only, nothing too useful. Transition animations More eyecandy Space rebalance Considering Odyssey was all supposed to be about exploration I'd say it failed pretty hard. It did give use probe formations, that's nice but weak considering it's the only thing that had an impact on what they named the whole expansion after. CCP probably prototyped and developed a lot of stuff behind the scenes but Odyssey showed almost nothing of it. Looking back is fairly hard because many changes are now just normal so maybe I'm not appreciating the things we got anymore. Hope restored.
Ralph King-Griffin Lords.Of.Midnight The Devil's Warrior Alliance 6841	Posted - 2014.11.14 20:23:28 - [24] - Quote SpaceSaft wrote: Radial Navigation tool Only works on player or objects in space so it's not a replacement for the right click, only adding complexity not usabillity. I will almost always use this when given the opportunity, particularly for managing drones . "I'm also quite confident that you are laughing and it's the kind of laugh that gives normal people shivers." =]I[=
Gogela Freeport Exploration Loosely Affiliated Pirates Alliance 3264	Posted - 2014.11.14 20:33:45 - [25] - Quote I've been here since 2006. The expansions we are getting are the best I've ever seen. While we aren't there yet, I don't think I've ever seen EvE moving so fast in the right direction. It's just my 2 ISK... but things are getting pretty damn exciting. ...kinda blown away in fact.
Cancel Align NOW Imperial Shipment Amarr Empire 249	Posted - 2014.11.14 20:51:42 - [26] - Quote Gogela wrote: I've been here since 2006. The expansions we are getting are the best I've ever seen. While we aren't there yet, I don't think I've ever seen EvE moving so fast in the right direction. It's just my 2 ISK... but things are getting pretty damn exciting. ...kinda blown away in fact. I am glad I came back at a time when the universe is becoming larger, more diverse and with more danger. Long may it continue.
Nicolai Serkanner Jebediah Kerman's Junkyard and Spaceship Parts Co. Brave Collective 222	Posted - 2014.11.14 20:52:05 - [27] - Quote SpaceSaft wrote: Let's look at the features .... . It is time you come back to BRAVE!
Liz Laser Blood Tribe Inc Circle-Of-Two 74	Posted - 2014.11.14 22:28:05 - [28] - Quote Gogela wrote: I've been here since 2006. The expansions we are getting are the best I've ever seen. While we aren't there yet, I don't think I've ever seen EvE moving so fast in the right direction. It's just my 2 ISK... but things are getting pretty damn exciting. ...kinda blown away in fact. Yeah, I'm excited to be back at a time when so much is happening. That said, good things NEED to be happening. With Star Citizen and Elite Dangerous on the horizon, as well as some very strong PvP fantasy titles recently released and on the horizon, all titles seem to be trying to up their game, out of necessity.
Nicolai Serkanner Jebediah Kerman's Junkyard and Spaceship Parts Co. Brave Collective 223	Posted - 2014.11.14 22:29:58 - [29] - Quote Liz Laser wrote: Yeah, I'm excited to be back at a time when so much is happening. That said, good things NEED to be happening. With Star Citizen and Elite Dangerous on the horizon, as well as some very strong PvP fantasy titles recently released and on the horizon, all titles seem to be trying to up their game, out of necessity. Apples, pears and cauliflower.
Lugia3 The Southern Gentleman's Social Club Easily Excited 1367	Posted - 2014.11.14 23:51:06 - [30] - Quote I don't remember Odyssey anymore. Only Phoebe. Hail CCP. "CCP Dolan is full of shit." - CCP Bettik Remove Sov!

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