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Fray Hewn Amarr Dark Hewn Covent	Posted - 2006.08.28 12:08:00 - [1] I see alot of other people get blasted for asking questions like this so here goes. Is a pirate a gate camper that blows away haulers and then pod kills the pilot. Or the same that picks a fight with someone smaller and just feels the need to bring in 10 times the guns to win the fight. I ask this for the reasons that if so called pirates were pod killed as often as those that are not would they try another profession? I ask this because if you look at history not hollywood Pirates were not just simple killers. Where can the line be drawn what are pirates in eve and what are thugs. Please don't blast me over this, I've been pod killed enough for one day! I would like a response from both sides of this coin. Fray
Sjoor S.A.S	Posted - 2006.08.28 12:09:00 - [2] Yarr ---- Insta solution Remove aggro reset on jump, remove secure can concord flagging
fairimear Gallente S.A.S	Posted - 2006.08.28 12:11:00 - [3] Double Yarrrr
Wild Rho Amarr Imperial Shipment	Posted - 2006.08.28 12:12:00 - [4] Originally by: Fray Hewn I see alot of other people get blasted for asking questions like this so here goes. Is a pirate a gate camper that blows away haulers and then pod kills the pilot. Or the same that picks a fight with someone smaller and just feels the need to bring in 10 times the guns to win the fight. I ask this for the reasons that if so called pirates were pod killed as often as those that are not would they try another profession? I ask this because if you look at history not hollywood Pirates were not just simple killers. Where can the line be drawn what are pirates in eve and what are thugs. Please don't blast me over this, I've been pod killed enough for one day! I would like a response from both sides of this coin. Fray The definition of a pirate is up to you as everyone has their own variatons. I wouldn't call somone who kills without ransoms a pirate but others would and neither of us would be wrong. WE ARE DYSLEXIC OF BORG. Refutance is systile. Your ass will be laminated. - Jennie Marlboro
James Snowscoran Caldari Coreli Corporation	Posted - 2006.08.28 12:12:00 - [5] Pirates are pvpers that pvp to gain cash from loot and/or ransoms. Pirates will kill a pod for example after a failed pod ransom, or just to remove the victim from the solarsystem so he/she can't warn other players in the system about the pirate threat. Whether a player will snipe at gates, hunt in belts, fight against all odds or with shameless 10 v 1 ganks is irrelevant. -----
Leandro Salazar Aeon Industries	Posted - 2006.08.28 12:13:00 - [6] To me, everyone who attacks neutrals in lowsec and highsec or wardecs peaceful corps is a pirate. Whether the motivation for that attack is greed or bloodlust is irrelevant. --------- ZOMG my sig was concordokkened! Link removed due to bad language on remote site. -wystler
Ch33z0rz Caldari Brotherhood of the Shadows	Posted - 2006.08.28 12:13:00 - [7] Pirating is such a harsh term. I prefer unilaterally enjoyed non-consensual player vs player combat. --------- (\_/) (O.o) (> <)This is Bunny. Copy Bunny into your signature to help him on his way to world domination.
Acronikosz Caldari Solaris Federation	Posted - 2006.08.28 12:14:00 - [8] Yer I have a Question on top of that ... If I were a pirate and I shot down many ships ... will I be able to fly in high sec areas without people knowing im a pirate ?, like on the overview will I have a criminal tag !?
Tao Han Caldari Crucial Electronics	Posted - 2006.08.28 12:14:00 - [9] True pirates are the "give me isk or you die" types, a dying breed. Wannabe pirates (aka Asshats) are the "If it moves shoot it, and if it doesnt move shoot it anyway cause it might move later" types. Basic lowsec gatecampers that kill you for no real reason except to get a killmail. Of course in 0.0 there is no such thing as pirates.
Bhaal Minmatar M. Corp Lotka Volterra	Posted - 2006.08.28 12:16:00 - [10] Pirates are PK'ers pretty much... They don't really deserve the title pirate, as they really don't pirate anything, just kill... ------------------------------------------------ Current Hobby other than EVE My Hero

SatanicVersus Minmatar S.T.A.R.S.	Posted - 2006.08.28 12:17:00 - [11] Edited by: SatanicVersus on 28/08/2006 12:18:04 Unfortunately, the defenition of an eve-online pirate is a sad, thinnly linked connection to what being a pirate really means/meant. An eve -online pirate can be one of two things. 1) A proffesional PvPer who operates under their own law only. (rare, but you do get them in eve!) or: 2) a sad pathetic specimen of the eve community who thinks its macho to go round in a frigate blasting miners and rookie ships,jumping out on insta bookmarks and then hugging stations in shuttles proclaiming in local that everyone trying to shoot them is lame. The fact is, there are a hell of a lot of "pirates" in eve who fall into category #2. Dude! look at the SIZE of that weapon!
DreadPirate Steve	Posted - 2006.08.28 12:17:00 - [12] pirate (SAILOR) Show phonetics noun [C] a person who sails in a ship and attacks other ships in order to steal from them
Bhaal Minmatar M. Corp Lotka Volterra	Posted - 2006.08.28 12:17:00 - [13] Originally by: Acronikosz Yer I have a Question on top of that ... If I were a pirate and I shot down many ships ... will I be able to fly in high sec areas without people knowing im a pirate ?, like on the overview will I have a criminal tag !? Nope ------------------------------------------------ Current Hobby other than EVE My Hero
das licht Gallente	Posted - 2006.08.28 12:17:00 - [14] My manifesto: If you are an idiot in RL, chances are good that you will become an idot in EVE aswell.
Fray Hewn Amarr Dark Hewn Covent	Posted - 2006.08.28 12:18:00 - [15] Originally by: James Snowscoran Pirates are pvpers that pvp to gain cash from loot and/or ransoms. Pirates will kill a pod for example after a failed pod ransom, or just to remove the victim from the solarsystem so he/she can't warn other players in the system about the pirate threat. Whether a player will snipe at gates, hunt in belts, fight against all odds or with shameless 10 v 1 ganks is irrelevant. Irrelevant? The only issue that I see so far is that pirates will fight. Ones that are not run and hide like roaches, it makes the situation irrelevant sure. But what if we teach roaches to bite back? And shameless is a good description.
Fray Hewn Amarr Dark Hewn Covent	Posted - 2006.08.28 12:23:00 - [16] Originally by: Tao Han True pirates are the "give me isk or you die" types, a dying breed. Wannabe pirates (aka Asshats) are the "If it moves shoot it, and if it doesnt move shoot it anyway cause it might move later" types. Basic lowsec gatecampers that kill you for no real reason except to get a killmail. Of course in 0.0 there is no such thing as pirates. Asshats I like that. I was just in 0.0 and noticed pirates are too scared to go there, well not pirates per say but wabbabes
Fray Hewn Amarr Dark Hewn Covent	Posted - 2006.08.28 12:25:00 - [17] Originally by: Tao Han True pirates are the "give me isk or you die" types, a dying breed. Wannabe pirates (aka Asshats) are the "If it moves shoot it, and if it doesnt move shoot it anyway cause it might move later" types. Basic lowsec gatecampers that kill you for no real reason except to get a killmail. Of course in 0.0 there is no such thing as pirates. Asshats I like that. I was just in 0.0 and noticed pirates are too scared to go there, well not pirates per say but wannabes. Where did the term Asshats come from or can we look at it in direct translation
Jobie Thickburger Gallente Miner Guide to the Galaxy	Posted - 2006.08.28 12:34:00 - [18] Hmmm, I like the Asshats description. Thats what a lot of the people you see in empire are. They are just out to get a gank. Usually, I'll term these guys as "gankers" anyway. They avoid 0.0 because the people there will fight back. If not sitting at a gate in a Long range, T2 fitted BS, They will be flying Interceptors. Both times expect them to have a full set of warp core stabalizers. Pirates are the guys who actually drive fear into Miners when they pop into local. They are out to attempt to make money off of killing "innocent" players in low sec space, or 0.0. Most pirates make sure that they have a winning situation (IE, BS vs BC, AF vs T1 Frig). They rarely fly ships that would be expensive to lose, or that they can't replace. IMO an honerable pirate would be one who Engages with about even odds. (IE, doesn't go in there with a garrenteed win). If I'm gonna die while ratting, at least give me the honor of being able to fight back :) Best fight I ever had was VS a Prophecy in my Brutix. Lasted about a minute (felt like 5) as both of us were using T1 weapons, had eachother scramed, and was in an all out bloodbath. CEO - MGTTG
TooooWANDA	Posted - 2006.08.28 12:56:00 - [19] HAHAHa Pirate in eve... Multiple classes of "pirates" Class 1 Pirate Nubbie pirate who enters low-sec and shoot miners/haulers (but run if anything so much as an armed frigate warps in), then rushes back to high sec space the moment the flag expires (with instas the whole way) so that people won't kill him. These players spend a lot of time docked being smacktards. Not known to pod kill because they wouldn't be able to hide in high sec space after long. Class 2 Pirate More experienced player who is well armed with instas, wcs, and a smack cannon. They tend to try to shoot armed vessels of opportunity including miners and haulers. They will have a SS or two from which to smack talk their recently killed enemy until they can run back to high sec space and roll around in the newly acquired modules. Also, Like the Class 1 Pirate, they avoid podding so as to avoid becoming -5.0 or worse. Class 3 Pirate Definitely a bit more dangerous than the Class 1 or 2 Pirates as they actually live in low sec space and become agorophobic in high sec on those few occasions that they are able to enter high sec space. These players will properly ransom and honor it. If ransom isn't paid, they will ventilate your pod. Class 3a Pirate will behave like the Class 1 pirate and be a smacktard. Class 3b Pirate will avoid smacktalk, be rather businesslike in demeanor and wish you a nice day while counting your ransom payment. Class 3c Pirate is the kind of smacktard who threatens those who would kill them with wardecs in an attempt to get you to back down. May as well kill them. Class 4 Pirate (4a and 4b are similar to Class 3a and 3b in behavior) These are your gate sniping smacktards who will often just blow the living crap out of you as give you a second glance. They will attack only non-threatening ships that don't have instas to the gate in question. They despise being closer than 150km as it requires them to tank sentries and that simply ruins fitting all wcs in the low slots of their battleship. Class 4a -extremely common. Class 4b -almost unheard of. The Class 4 Pirate does not have a Class 4c, they will never wardec anyone -not even if paid to do so (but they will take your money... then shoot you when they see you). NOTE The Class 4 Pirate will often, after killing you, send you an evemail demanding X amount of isk or they will keep shooting you. Don't do it, use the money for good instas. Also, try fitting a damage control to your damn hauler so you aren't a 1 volley kill; fit an EM hardener and Inv Field as well. Class 5 Pirate** These are serious threats, they are experienced low sec space pirates who will beat the living snot out of you and pod at will. They are professional pirates who love the fight. You won't catch many of this variety sniping at a gate unless very bored; they tend to like warping right on top of a gate and firing away like mad before being warp scrambled. What separates this class of pirate from the others is that they are pvp'ers, they actually like to fight something that has weapons fit. Win or lose, the Class 5 Pirate will fight you to the death (unless they just don't feeling like dying that day -so do your best to ruin their day). May fly solo or as a gank squad. Class 5a Pirate: big time smacktard. Class 5b Pirate: conducts themselves in businesslike fashion, will honor ransoms. They will however pod the living daylights out of you if you act like a smacktard -even if you pay the ransom. Class 5c Pirate: Don't fit wcs as they screw up their damage and/or tanking. Class 5d Pirate: Don't ransom, they just grab your loot in lieu of ransom. However, they often accept generous donations of isk in exchange for not shooting you. Be warned, they will often have another corpmate come kill you and explain that the donation applied to only themselves and not the entire corp. enjoy
das licht Gallente	Posted - 2006.08.28 13:23:00 - [20] By Khanid. They all will be brought to justice. We'll smoke them out.

Labtest	Posted - 2006.08.28 13:39:00 - [21] Originally by: Tao Han True pirates are the "give me isk or you die" types Rubbish.
Bhaal Minmatar M. Corp Lotka Volterra	Posted - 2006.08.28 13:56:00 - [22] Edited by: Bhaal on 28/08/2006 13:57:39 Originally by: Labtest Originally by: Tao Han True pirates are the "give me isk or you die" types Rubbish. ppl used to be all over Space Invaders' *****s for being "true pirates" because they would ransom, and let you go if you paid... Problem was they were using the JIP exploit, and that made them griefers tbh... If the game mechanics allow you to get away with it, there is no need to be a "true" pirate, why make things more difficult for yourself? It's the failure of game mechanics that has lead to this current state of no "true" pirates, just PK'ers scenario... ------------------------------------------------ Current Hobby other than EVE My Hero
Sirial Soulfly	Posted - 2006.08.28 13:56:00 - [23] Originally by: TooooWANDA Entertaining read I laughed
Fto Cruise	Posted - 2006.08.28 14:30:00 - [24] In this game, we're all pirates in one form or another. Just that the honest pirates will get themselves a negative security rating.
Pesadel0 Vagabundos	Posted - 2006.08.28 14:50:00 - [25] Originally by: Labtest Originally by: Tao Han True pirates are the "give me isk or you die" types Rubbish. I hate when they say that true pirates are the ones that ransom,they aren't pirates they are kidnappers.
Labtest	Posted - 2006.08.28 15:00:00 - [26] Edited by: Labtest on 28/08/2006 15:03:17 Originally by: Pesadel0 Originally by: Labtest Originally by: Tao Han True pirates are the "give me isk or you die" types Rubbish. I hate when they say that true pirates are the ones that ransom,they aren't pirates they are kidnappers. Yup, and the ones that 'define' what a 'real pirate is' on these forums, is usually victims. edit : They also claim their arguments are based on history. This is equally rubbish. From wikipedia and Edward England He differed from many other pirates of his day in that he did not kill captives unless it was absolutely necessary. However, this ultimately led to his downfall, for his crew mutinied against him when he refused to kill sailors from the Casandra, an English trading ship, captained by James Macrae. He was subsequently marooned on Mauritius, where he fashioned a small raft and made it to St. Augustine's Bay in Madagascar. England survived for a short while by begging for food and died around the end of 1720. He had it coming as you can tell. YARR!!!
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Greystar Caldari Original Black Plague Blood of the Innocents	Posted - 2006.08.28 15:07:00 - [28] When im out in Curse, im defending our territory. When im out in other 0.0 regions, im ganking. When im out in empire, im pirating. To me, i see no difference. When im in curse i have a much higher chance of recieving backup and thats about it. All in all im just out shooting people and i coulddnt give a f*ck where i go to do it. I'll accept ransoms but rarely ask for them, i'll do stupid things ALOT of the time (Like engage a Machariel at a gate in my Typhoon "Just to see if i can tank the sentries") and i'll die alot. Call me, or people like me, whatever you want. I just like to shoot at stuff. terrorist, ingame to
Ghan Tylous Caldari Infinite Dreams Inc Kimotoro Directive	Posted - 2006.08.28 15:20:00 - [29] So a person or "pirate" that destroys a Badger 1 that is not armed is PvP? Sorry but just had the image that a pirate is someone that goes for a equal strong ship, so its a challenge and not just a murder.
Fray Hewn Amarr Dark Hewn Covent	Posted - 2006.08.28 15:25:00 - [30] Originally by: Bhaal Edited by: Bhaal on 28/08/2006 13:57:39 Originally by: Labtest Originally by: Tao Han True pirates are the "give me isk or you die" types Rubbish. ppl used to be all over Space Invaders' *****s for being "true pirates" because they would ransom, and let you go if you paid... Problem was they were using the JIP exploit, and that made them griefers tbh... If the game mechanics allow you to get away with it, there is no need to be a "true" pirate, why make things more difficult for yourself? It's the failure of game mechanics that has lead to this current state of no "true" pirates, just PK'ers scenario... In response to this, quit true quit true. But is it the game mechanics that have failed or the mechanics of the people playing it. Not the different levels or degrees of pirates but the ones that will not fight back?



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